Current Events > Is Chauvin being sentenced to 22.5 years a reasonable sentence

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Bishop9800 posted...

"Unintentional murder? Wtf?

dont fall for the bait

it is a fair sentence considering the guidelines in minnesota. i would have preferred 25-30 but this is adequate tbh

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Nope.



And his wife was so scared of him she waited until he was in police custody to file for divorce.

Put the pieces together people.

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Tyranthraxus posted...

I'm sure if you asked someone who spent even 1 year in prison they would disagree.

Who cares? Hes a murderer

What_ posted...

Who cares? Hes a murderer

Aside from Chauvin's mom probably no one. Not even me. I'm just saying that describing 15 years as an "incredibly light sentence" is extremely dishonest.

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Tyranthraxus posted...

Aside from Chauvin's mom probably no one. Not even me. I'm just saying that describing 15 years as an "incredibly light sentence" is extremely dishonest.

It is a light sentence for a literal murderer

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15 years for a cold blooded murderer is incredibly light when you have Black people serving life sentences for the same thing

15 years is pretty light in the context of this case. The court acknowledged 4 aggravating factors in this murder case. One aggravating factor would justify doubling the minimum 12.5 year sentence to 25 years. 4 aggravating factors on top of 2nd degree unintentional murder warrants more than a 22.5 year sentence.

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SSJPurple posted...

It is a light sentence for a literal murderer

The recommended guideline for the crime is 12.5

60 people (out of 90) convicted of the same crime in the last year got 12.5 exactly.

So I guess Minnesota is just easy on murderers?

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Tyranthraxus posted...

The recommended guideline for the crime is 12.5

60 people (out of 90) convicted of the same crime in the last year got 12.5 exactly.

So I guess Minnesota is just easy on murderers?

How many of those people convicted of the same crime had 4 aggravating factors? Also, how many of those 60 murders were comparable to the way Derek Chauvin murdered George Floyd?

Unintentional murder is normally stuff like when you punch someone and they fall and hit their head and then die. Derek Chauvin's crime wasn't a sudden impulse thing.

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No. It wasnt accidental. It wasnt incidental. He had time to let George breath. He didnt. He chose to callously cut off his air supply for over 8 minutes. He murdered a man on video and will be out of jail in 15ish years. Fuck that shit. If a civilian did that theyd be looking at life with parole at 25 years. But this dude gets less than even 25? Its bull shit.

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CableZL posted...

How many of those people convicted of the same crime had 4 aggravating factors?

I don't know. I don't care. I'm just saying 15 years is basically a nightmare scenario it is not a "light" sentence and it's not even what Chauvin got.

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Tyranthraxus posted...

I don't know. I don't care. I'm just saying 15 years is basically a nightmare scenario it is not a "light" sentence and it's not even what Chauvin got.

If you don't care, then stop commenting. Don't try to make a point out of other cases being given 12.5 years when they aren't similar to Derek Chauvin murdering George Floyd and then run away from your argument when you can't even support it after a single challenge.

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CableZL posted...

If you don't care, then stop commenting. Don't try to make a point out of other cases being given 12.5 years when they aren't similar to Derek Chauvin murdering George Floyd and then run away from your argument when you can't even support it after a single challenge.

I have no idea what you're talking about. You must have me confused with someone else. All I said is that 15 years is not a light sentence. And it is not. And it is also not what Chauvin got.

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Tyranthraxus posted...

I have no idea what you're talking about. You must have me confused with someone else. All I said is that 15 years is not a light sentence. And it is not. And it is also not what Chauvin got.

You're trying to use 60 other unintentional murder cases being given 12.5 years to justify 15 years not being a light sentence. The only reason to do so is if those cases are similar. They aren't.

Sentencing guidelines in this case would have justified a much heavier sentence than 22.5 years as I've already mentioned.

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CableZL posted...

You're trying to use 60 other unintentional murder cases being given 12.5 years to justify 15 years not being a light sentence. The only reason to do so is if those cases are similar. They aren't.

Sentencing guidelines in this case would have justified a much heavier sentence than 22.5 years as I've already mentioned.

And you're probably right that the outstanding aggravating factors warranted a heavier sentence.

that does not mean 15 years is an extremely light sentence

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Tyranthraxus posted...

And you're probably right that the outstanding aggravating factors warranted a heavier sentence.

that does not mean 15 years is an extremely light sentence

I understand your stance. 15 years wont be easy, but that doesnt mean you should be complacent. We need consistency. He murdered a man. If your argument is that we should lower the sentencing for murder because well 10 years is still a long time then I disagree.

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You said this:

Tyranthraxus posted...

The recommended guideline for the crime is 12.5

60 people (out of 90) convicted of the same crime in the last year got 12.5 exactly.

False. The recommended guideline for unintentional murder alone with no prior criminal history is 12.5 years.

The recommended guideline for unintentional murder with 1 aggravating factor justifies doubling the minimum 12.5 years to 25 years.

The judge found 4 aggravating factors in this case, but gave a 22.5 year sentence.

So yes, Derek Chauvin got a light sentence.

You're trying to make an argument while ignoring quite a bit and you're either ignorant of the facts of the case or you're just purposefully ignoring the facts. Which is it?

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Cant believe you mfsrs watched the entire video and are still defending that shitbag cop

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TheVipaGTS posted...

I understand your stance. 15 years wont be easy, but that doesnt mean you should be complacent. We need consistency. He murdered a man. If your argument is that we should lower the sentencing for murder because well 10 years is still a long time then I disagree.

That is not my stance. My stance is found in post #13 and remains unchanged.

I merely appended that this subtext of suggesting parole eligibility at 15 years is somehow equivalent to a figurative slap on the wrist is not accurate. He was punished harshly. Maybe not harsh enough but that's a completely different discussion.

To me, "extremely light" is that cop who got 5 years for drunkenly stumbling into a black man's apartment and shot him in his own house and he was literally just eating ice cream.

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Tyranthraxus posted...

To me, "extremely light" is that cop who got 5 years for drunkenly stumbling into a black man's apartment and shot him in his own house and he was literally just eating ice cream.

Not sure what your deal is here. You earlier said 15 years is "also not what Chauvin got."

5 years is not what Amber Guyger got

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SSJPurple posted...

Cant believe you mfsrs watched the entire video and are still defending that shitbag cop

they live on there knees everyday

CableZL posted...

You said this:

False. The recommended guideline for unintentional murder alone with no prior criminal history is 12.5 years.

The recommended guideline for unintentional murder with 1 aggravating factor justifies doubling the minimum 12.5 years to 25 years.

The judge found 4 aggravating factors in this case, but gave a 22.5 year sentence.

So yes, Derek Chauvin got a light sentence.

You're trying to make an argument while ignoring quite a bit and you're either ignorant of the facts of the case or you're just purposefully ignoring the facts. Which is it?

I brought it up because it is in the 22 page sentencing document. 60 people got the recommended. Of the 30 who didn't most got 270 months. The ones who got 300 months were charged with 1st degree murder but pled guilty to 2nd degree murder in a plea deal. The average sentencing range for the 30 charges with aggravating factor (doesn't break down exactly what but looks like a lot of victims involved children in some way) the average sentencing was 278 months. Nobody got 360 months.

CableZL posted...

Not sure what your deal is here. You earlier said 15 years is "also not what Chauvin got."

5 years is not what Amber Guyger got

My memory sucks then because I thought what's what she got. What did she get anyway?

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Tyranthraxus posted...

I brought it up because it is in the 22 page sentencing document. 60 people got the recommended. Of the 30 who didn't most got 270 months. The ones who got 300 months were charged with 1st degree murder but pled guilty to 2nd degree murder in a plea deal. The average sentencing range for the 30 charges with aggravating factor (doesn't break down exactly what but looks like a lot of victims involved children in some way) the average sentencing was 278 months. Nobody got 360 months.

And again, how many of those people had 4 aggravating factors in their cases? How many of those were impulse killings? If we're going to use other cases as a comparison, then you can't logically just throw your hands up in the air and say "you don't know and you don't care" when asked to compare those other cases accurately.

Derek Chauvin killing George Floyd wasn't done on impulse. It was suffocation for an extended period of time, and Derek Chauvin stayed on George Floyd's neck and back long after he was dead.

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Tyranthraxus posted...

My memory sucks then because I thought what's what she got. What did she get anyway?

She got a 10 year sentence. She's eligible for parole after 5.

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CableZL posted...

And again, how many of those people had 4 aggravating factors in their cases? If we're going to use other cases as a comparison, then you can't logically just throw your hands up in the air and say "you don't know and you don't care" when asked to compare those other cases accurately.

There was only 1 case in a guy had all those aggravating factors AND no prior criminal history. He was the first degree murder guy. Sentenced to 300 months after pleading guilty to 2nd degree murder. A 1st degree murder charge would have landed him 384 months according to the document.

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He tortured Floyd to death, should have been life without parole.

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Lonestar2000 posted...

He tortured Floyd to death, should have been life without parole.

Life wasn't an option unfortunately.

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Tyranthraxus posted...

There was only 1 case in a guy had all those aggravating factors AND no prior criminal history. He was the first degree murder guy. Sentenced to 300 months after pleading guilty to 2nd degree murder. A 1st degree murder charge would have landed him 384 months according to the document.

From the sentencing memo:

Drilling deeper into the actual cases, there are only two cases where the defendant's criminal history score is zero, and both "abuse of a position of trust or authority" and "particular cruelty" were cited as aggravating factors.

The Derek Chauvin case had:

• Committed a crime in front of a child
• Acted with particular cruelty
• Acted as part of a group
• Abused his position of trust and authority as a police officer

Also, the sentencing memo also directly states "The average aggravated departure imposed on defendants with a zero criminal history score is 278.2 months."

But somehow Derek Chauvin gets away with 270 months when he had 4 aggravating factors.

Where in the sentencing memo are you seeing a case used for comparison with all 4 aggravating factors?

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CableZL posted...

From the sentencing memo:

Drilling deeper into the actual cases, there are only two cases where the defendant's criminal history score is zero, and both "abuse of a position of trust or authority" and "particular cruelty" were cited as aggravating factors.

The Derek Chauvin case had:
* Committed a crime in front of a child
* Acted with particular cruelty
* Acted as part of a group
* Abused his position of trust and authority as a police officer

Also, the sentencing memo also directly states "The average aggravated departure imposed on defendants with a zero criminal history score is 278.2 months."

But somehow Derek Chauvin gets away with 270 months with 4 aggravating factors.

Only of the ones that were moved upward.

Like I don't know why you keep insinuating that I think the punishment he got was enough / too much. All I said is that 15 years is not an extremely light sentence JFC.

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Tyranthraxus posted...

Aside from Chauvin's mom probably no one. Not even me. I'm just saying that describing 15 years as an "incredibly light sentence" is extremely dishonest.

It is light within the context of his crime

Tyranthraxus posted...

Only of the ones that were moved upward.

... Yes, and moving upward is what we're discussing here.

Tyranthraxus posted...

Like I don't know why you keep insinuating that I think the punishment he got was enough / too much. All I said is that 15 years is not an extremely light sentence JFC.

You do know that we can see your posts in this topic, right? That's not all you said.

You said:

Tyranthraxus posted...

The recommended guideline for the crime is 12.5

60 people (out of 90) convicted of the same crime in the last year got 12.5 exactly.

Here, you're ignoring the 4 aggravating factors in the Derek Chauvin case entirely. When asked about whether those 60 cases you referenced have similar aggravated factors, you said you "don't know and don't care." You want to use 60 cases as comparison, but then you claim to not care how those cases actually compare to this case.

Tyranthraxus posted...

There was only 1 case in a guy had all those aggravating factors AND no prior criminal history.

Here, you're misrepresenting the sentencing memo entirely. The sentencing memo does not reference a case that has all those aggravating factors and no prior criminal history. The sentencing memo references a case with 2 of the same aggravating factors, but not all 4, unless I'm missing something.

Again, the sentencing memo directly states that the average departure is 278.2 months, but somehow the Derek Chauvin case is only given 270 months with all of the facts involved.

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Wish it was more, but im not super upset by this. It's at least a legitimate sentence with real consequences.

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Too lenient. I'll bet anything if he weren't a cop, he'd get twice as much.

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CableZL posted...

That's not all you said.

You're correct. Because what all I said was:

Tyranthraxus posted...

The recommended guideline for the crime is 12.5

60 people (out of 90) convicted of the same crime in the last year got 12.5 exactly.

So I guess Minnesota is just easy on murderers?

Because that was a response to this post (which you can also see)

SSJPurple posted...

It is a light sentence for a literal murderer

Which it is not.


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Cable, stop it, hes already dead

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Tyranthraxus posted...

Because that was a response to this post (which you can also see)

Tyranthraxus posted...

Which it is not.

And your response to his post is suggesting that the recommendation for Derek Chauvin's crime is 12.5 years, which it isn't. The only way the recommendation for Derek Chauvin's crime would be 12.5 years is if the aggravating factors didn't exist.

Which is why I said you ignored the aggravating factors in that statement.

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Should get 60yrs

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CableZL posted...

And your response to his post is suggesting that the recommendation for Derek Chauvin's crime is 12.5 years, which it isn't. The only way the recommendation for Derek Chauvin's crime would be 12.5 years is if the aggravating factors didn't exist.

Which is why I said you ignored the aggravating factors in that statement.

You're missing the point of that comment. 12.5 years is the guideline for a "literal murderer" less than that is light. More than that is heavy. 15 is greater than 12.5 meaning 15 is a heavy sentence for a murderer.

Aggravating factors are things that drive heavier sentencing. Which Derek got much more than 15. And I don't even agree that it (22.5) was enough. Just that it is not a light sentence.

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Tyranthraxus posted...

You're missing the point of that comment. 12.5 years is the guideline for a "literal murderer" less than that is light. More than that is heavy. 15 is greater than 12.5 meaning 15 is a heavy sentence for a murderer.

Aggravating factors are things that drive heavier sentencing. Which Derek got much more than 15. And I don't even agree that it (22.5) was enough. Just that it is not a light sentence.

A single aggravating factor justifies doubling the minimum 12.5 to 25. Chauvin got 22.5 with 4 aggravating factors.

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Its what the judge decided it cant make everyone happy

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Antifar posted...

This is true, and the proper response is to want their sentences shortened, not to keep outdoing ourselves with how harshly we can punish people.

This, bringing up other people's sentences is only valid if you think THOSE people's sentences were reasonable.

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