Current Events > Do you regard Donald Trump as the worst President in American history?

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Be honest

I would if I recognized him as a real president.

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I'll say modern history only because I am pretty ignorant on 1880s era ones other than big Lincoln. Didn't one of them just spend like 3 months in the White House drunk all day and then die or something like that? I'd say that was probably worse than Trump.

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I dont know the past presidents and what theyve done since Im not American. Trump seems pretty bad and his influence has killed hundreds of thousands and continues to do so

Libfaqs doing their thing. Y'all have only been alive during two Presidents anyways.

Only one who tried to stage a coup. This is the second plot since the failed bankers plot of the 1930s.

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Correct_Facts posted...

Libfaqs doing their thing. Y'all have only been alive during two Presidents anyways.

wahhhhhhh!

cry more.............

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Pretty much. There's a lot of awful ones but he's definitely among the top.

Correct_Facts posted...

Libfaqs doing their thing. Y'all have only been alive during two Presidents anyways.

You realize the average age here is like 30 right

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he's the worst president in my lifetime, and i've got 6 months of reagan on that list too...

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Easily bottom 5, if not bottom 3.

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Nah, presidents that supported the continuation of slavery and took a tough stance on abolitionist are probably worse I would reckon

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It's too soon to tell. To assess history I feel you need to look at what came after the event. For trump it happened too recently to really know anything other than the immediate consequences.

We won't see how bad he was until the next presidency after Biden. Will the next republican be another trump or something new? Will he do well in the election? Will people think Biden was an effective president? Will that affect how democrats vote? Will the past two presidents push a far left leaning candidate to the spotlight? These are the things that will truely determine just how bad trump actually was.

Though just looking at what he has done, its not looking too good for him.


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Ubergeneral3 posted...

It's too soon to tell.

The families of five hundred thousand dead Americans probably disagree with you.

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Yeah... no president has caused as much death and misinformation spread and anarchy compared to the modern advantages that should make such a thing difficult to achieve at such a level. You could say in the wild west era, a president could've caused an equal population % of deaths indirectly, but they didn't have the societal advances that could've prevented them outside of leadership influences.

So it's really not even close

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legendarylemur posted...

So it's really not even close

Andrew Jackson illegally hanged soldiers under his command for minor infractions, caused a 7 year recession, attempted genocide and then used the cleared lands to make slave plantations, and declared martial law and briefly ruled New Orleans as a tyrannical king sentencing people to death

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Correct_Facts posted...

Libfaqs doing their thing. Y'all have only been alive during two Presidents anyways.

Wow good point didn't realize you were 245 years old and can accurately rank every leader the country has had

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I've lived through 7 presidents.
Trump is the worst and it's not even close.

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Njolk posted...

Andrew Jackson illegally hanged soldiers under his command for minor infractions, caused a 7 year recession, attempted genocide and then used the cleared lands to make slave plantations, and declared martial law and briefly ruled New Orleans as a tyrannical king sentencing people to death

Yeah, but tyranny is easier to curb in the information age. Basically if Trump was elected within Andrew Jackson's time, it would've been significantly worse. Trump was somebody capable of attempting for a dictatorship if the country had less of an intelligence and infrastructure advantage. You'd be naive to think otherwise. In fact, his actions during presidency of undermining information or riling up revolts and else, as well as taking away citizen safety for the sake of his ego are all in line with famous dictators of the past. His incompetency and modern advantage just got in the way.

Trump is significantly worse than Jackson, who of course is terrible in his own right.

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No, just another piece of shit that made no impact on my life

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ZMythos posted...

The families of five hundred thousand dead Americans probably disagree with you.

thats not the same. What i'm discussing is how his presidency is going to shape the next chapter of american history. No one here is argueing his awful legacy of death was a good thing. Besides every us president is a butcher. Its just those ones overthrow goverments or bomb middle eastern countries.

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I think Reagan still takes the crown but its close.

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ZMythos posted...

The families of five hundred thousand dead Americans probably disagree with you.

im guessing Brazil and Indias casualties can all be pinned on their leaders too

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Njolk posted...

Andrew Jackson illegally hanged soldiers under his command for minor infractions, caused a 7 year recession, attempted genocide and then used the cleared lands to make slave plantations, and declared martial law and briefly ruled New Orleans as a tyrannical king sentencing people to death

Sounds like Andrew Jackson was the inspiration for Ramsay Bolton.
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AvantgardeAClue posted...

im guessing Brazil and Indias casualties can all be pinned on their leaders too

Uhhh, a lot of them yeah?

Did you think you had something here?

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To people who think others were worse, can you explain how?

Trump got thousands of Americans killed by a preventable virus

And he literally attempted to overthrow the government in a attack very similar to something Adolf Hitler did in the late 30s when he first struck against the democratic German government. He also failed.... until he returned from prison and tried again and this time succeeded

Worth noting that Jan 6, while ultimately unsuccessful, was still more successful than Hitlers Putsch

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I can only speak for my lifetime. As far as that goes, yes.

You could make an arguement for it being Bush, but I shudder at the thought of trump being president for 9/11

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Relative to the times, yes. Or at least close to it.

It's true that there have been past presidents who committed much more heinous acts than Trump. But Trump's overall philosophy of "halt any and all progress that has been made for the past several decades, and reverse any of the effects thereof ASAP" set us back God knows how long.

He's the worst kind of person we could have had for a president in modern times. I doubt someone with the philosophies of Andrew Jackson or Andrew Johnson could be elected today. But I've been wrong before.

One of the worst, the consequences of Andrew Johnson are still felt today.

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1/06 drastically lowered him from C tier to very bottom D tier almost F tier.

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Didn't have him so low until the coup

Its okay to support republican but Trump was an embarrassing self-centred egotistical incompetent moron.

i'd change my beliefs if he was the one representing my beliefs.

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ArianaGrandSlam posted...

Give it 30 years and then we can look back and see if he did more damage than Reagan because my money is on that Reagan still did more damage

Reaganomics is probably still today one of the most braindead and purposely sabotaging economic idea today, but sad to say it wasn't really the main cause of the economic crisis today. The period in which it was active was probably not long enough to do such a significant long term damage. The economy technically didn't suffer as a whole (I mean the rich just got so much richer so overall it wasn't a loss) and it didn't directly result in a recession later, though one could surmise some of the later major scale economic scams like the housing bubble crisis could have been an aftermath.

But yeah he wasn't even remotely great, but at least he didn't cause anarchy

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Zikten posted...

To people who think others were worse, can you explain how?

Trump got thousands of Americans killed by a preventable virus

And he literally attempted to overthrow the government in a attack very similar to something Adolf Hitler did in the late 30s when he first struck against the democratic German government. He also failed.... until he returned from prison and tried again and this time succeeded

If I compared Biden to Hitler I would be moderated.

d. wilson

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Cheater87 posted...

Only one who tried to stage a coup.

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legendarylemur posted...

Reaganomics is probably still today one of the most braindead and purposely sabotaging economic idea today, but sad to say it wasn't really the main cause of the economic crisis today. The period in which it was active was probably not long enough to do such a significant long term damage. The economy technically didn't suffer as a whole (I mean the rich just got so much richer so overall it wasn't a loss) and it didn't directly result in a recession later, though one could surmise some of the later major scale economic scams like the housing bubble crisis could have been an aftermath.

But yeah he wasn't even remotely great, but at least he didn't cause anarchy

carter pioneered what became known as reagonomics in response to late 70s stagflation, but reagan continued and took credit for it

that said, the housing bubble crisis was the lovechild of clinton and bush policies - the former loosening home loan risk management to expand homeownership, the latter deregulating the financial sector

so you had a heavily deregulated financial sector dealing in high risk loans (and a massive derivatives market built on such to boot)

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Correct_Facts posted...

Y'all have only been alive during two Presidents anyways.

u srs?

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No and its not even close.

But we have people who only remember one or two presidents acting like experts on the situation

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In the grand scheme of things, no. In recent history(past couple decades or so) yeah, probably.

Definitely the worst in my lifetime and it isn't even close

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not of all time, but the worst in my lifetime, no doubt.

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Andrew goddamned motherfucking Johnson.

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Worst of my lifetime. Lied about, politicized, and downplayed the pandemic that has killed over 600,000 Americans. Incited the January 6th attack on the capitol. Dumb AF.

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He's objectively a much better president than James Buchanan and Andrew Johnson.

Worst is Andrew Johnson.
Buchanan is 2nd worst.
3rd and 4th worst are a toss up between Pierce and Wilson.
Harding and Trump have a good argument for 5th worst IMO.

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Nope, Jackson, Hoover, Nixon, Bush Jr., and Garfield are far worse
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gatorsPENSbucs posted...

No and its not even close.

But we have people who only remember one or two presidents acting like experts on the situation

Not many in here fit that description that I can see. And "not even close" is hilarious. He's ranked by historians as bottom 5 all time(4th worst). That's pretty damn close to the worst.


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