Current Events > 2 African women barred from competing at Olympics for being too good

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https://twitter.com/AfricaFactsZone/status/1410880763290132481

They aren't trans-women, ftr, this is literally a matter of them being barred because they have high natural testosterone. White athletes like Phelps who have unusual body types are praised, but these women are literally banned.

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Yup. The Olympics are racist as fuck!

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Zero_Destroyer posted...

White athletes

Oh

Next time just flat out say what you wanna say

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Ok, so where are all the sanctity of womens sports!! People at? Clearly these women put in work and are so good at what they do that a Trans woman competing with them wouldnt matter. You all gonna bring the same energy you had keeping trans people out to helping these women get back in?

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TheVipaGTS posted...

Ok, so where are all the sanctity of womens sports!! People at? Clearly these women put in work and are so good at what they do that a Trans woman competing with them wouldnt matter. You all gonna bring the same energy you had keeping trans people out to helping these women get back in?

Just goes to show that at the heart of all trans- and homophobia is good old-fashioned misogyny

gatorsPENSbucs posted...

Oh

Next time just flat out say what you wanna say

Just pointing out the weird discrepancy that makes the whole thing look racist as fuck

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ThanksUglyGod posted...

Just goes to show that at the heart of all trans- and homophobia is good old-fashioned misogyny

This exactly

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Zero_Destroyer posted...

Just pointing out the weird discrepancy that makes the whole thing look racist as fuck

Because of the one horrible example you posted?

Wild that Michael Phelps is the only male athlete in history to have an unusual body

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what if it's unnatural testosterone tho

Sounds like they didnt fit the requirements that everyone has to follow.

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Kaiganeer posted...

what if it's unnatural testosterone tho

It's not; even the Olympics concede this.

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gatorsPENSbucs posted...

Because of the one horrible example you posted?

Wild that Michael Phelps is the only male athlete in history to have an unusual body

I posted that as a quick and prominent example lol

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Are testosterone levels something that were regularly measured prior to regulations about trans competitors or something that started with those kinds of regulations? Seems kind of stupid unless either of the woman have some kind of intersex condition.

Flauros posted...

Sounds like they didnt fit the requirements that everyone has to follow.

then maybe they should consider how those requirements came to be in the first place, and think about changing them

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ThanksUglyGod posted...

Just goes to show that at the heart of all trans- and homophobia is good old-fashioned misogyny

That makes no sense.

^ none of this makes sense

Zero_Destroyer posted...

I posted that as a quick and prominent example lol

Lol youre just jacking it from the Twitter post you linked and holy wow was that a fun read

bOtH sIdEs I think is the correct response I should be using now?

or is that a legit excuse now?

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SquantoZ posted...

Yup. The Olympics are racist as fuck!

hmm it's not racism though it's hormonism

If youre not taking anything I dont get why youre testosterone level matters

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'It's supposed to be about NATURAL ABILITIES'
*is naturally augmented by nature*
'NO NOT LIKE THAT'

Kylo_Ren_ posted...

Their genes are meant to dominate at sports. Genetically built to endure. Not all of them but a very large percentage, more than half.

I read an article years ago about race and genetics. Very interesting stuff. Asians and middle easterns are extremely good with tech, math and calculations. South Pacific people are supposed to be tough and resilient, Caucasians in leadership, Latinos hard working with will power, etc.

If you're mixed in any way, you're the best of both worlds or more.

I'm going to look for that article.

you're talking about races like they're in a fantasy series

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Dutee Chand rolls her eyes.

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ROOTFayth posted...

hmm it's not racism though it's hormonism

if it results in a disproportionate number of black people being disallowed, it is racist

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Kylo_Ren_ posted...

Their genes are meant to dominate at sports. Genetically built to endure. Not all of them but a very large percentage, more than half.

I read an article years ago about race and genetics. Very interesting stuff. Asians and middle easterns are extremely good with tech, math and calculations. South Pacific people are supposed to be tough and resilient, Caucasians in leadership, Latinos hard working with will power, etc.

If you're mixed in any way, you're the best of both worlds or more.

I'm going to look for that article.

this is fucking phrenology

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Flauros posted...

Sounds like they didnt fit the requirements that everyone has to follow.

Being born?

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You'd think the point of the Olympics was for it to feature the most naturally gifted athletes who were willing and able to put in the work

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The track winners are usually black anyway so it's not racist. Just stupid to ban someone based on genetics.

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LeoRavus posted...

The track winners are usually black anyway so it's not racist. Just stupid to ban someone based on genetics.

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They should be allowed to compete. What a bizarre criteria.

g0ldie posted...

you're talking about races like they're in a fantasy series

Look at today's leaders, athletes, record breakers, gaming tournaments, It's all there. The evidence and its legit. They all have advantages.

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averagejoel posted...

if it results in a disproportionate number of black people being disallowed, it is racist

nah that's just being result oriented, would most likely be a coincidence

anyway my personal opinion is they should obviously be allowed to compete if their hormone levels are entirely natural

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/jul/02/swimming-caps-for-natural-black-hair-ruled-out-of-olympic-games-alice-dearing
Let's go for the trifecta!
It just seems like these sports governing bodies have something against black women, for some reason.

FYI the rule they're being banned for was introduced in 2015 and revised in 2019 to allow trans athletes to compete in the first place.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/sep/24/ioc-delays-new-transgender-guidelines-2020-olympics

Under the current IOC guidelines, issued in November 2015, athletes who transition from male to female can compete in the womens category without requiring surgery to remove their testes provided their total testosterone level in serum is kept below 10 nanomoles per litre for at least 12 months.

Those guidelines, used by most sports federations to draw up their transgender policies, have proved controversial, given that womens testosterone levels tend to range between 0.12 and 1.79 nmol/l, while mens are typically between 7.7 to 29.4 nmol/l.

The Guardian understands some scientists on the IOC panel have argued that reducing the permitted testosterone levels to 5nmol/L below most males would provide a reasonable compromise between inclusion and fairness, ensuring that trans women could still compete in the womens category while taking away most of the advantages of undergoing male puberty.

However, others disagree, pointing to the emerging findings from the Karolinska Institute in Sweden, which show that testosterone suppression for transgender women has little effect on reducing muscle strength even after a year of treatment. That indicates that at least some of the physical advantages of those who have gone through male puberty are maintained even after transitioning.

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Kylo_Ren_ posted...

Look at today's leaders, athletes, record breakers, gaming tournaments, It's all there. The evidence and its legit. They all have advantages.

what you're talking about aren't inherent traits, though.

they're based on culture, environment, and/or access to resources.

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Zero_Destroyer posted...

Just pointing out the weird discrepancy that makes the whole thing look racist as fuck

How? If a white woman had the exact same testosterone count, they equally would not be able to compete either. This has nothing to do with race.

daynlokki posted...

This has nothing to do with race.

Exactly.

I think TC saw someone else mention Phelps so he jumped on that bandwagon knowing how the internet works.

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This is not racist and it's absurd to use it to race bait. That said, it does seem like an odd rule. Never heard of banning people for natural T levels before. Though according to another article I read these athletes were given the option of taking T suppressants and competing with reduced T levels but they refused. So whatever. Their choice.

ROOTFayth posted...

nah that's just being result oriented, would most likely be a coincidence

it doesn't matter if it's a coincidence. if the results produced by an action are racist, the action itself is racist

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reminds me of that girl skater who was so good they banned her from the sport
she can still compete in mens tournaments but i guess they dont want really good talent in female sports

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziwI6jHUosc

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the WWE divas got in trouble if they got to good cause they only wanted diva fights to be fanservice fans could leave to take a piss for so the women were encouraged to suck

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Grischnak posted...

This is not racist and it's absurd to use it to race bait. That said, it does seem like an odd rule. Never heard of banning people for natural T levels before. Though according to another article I read these athletes were given the option of taking T suppressants and competing with reduced T levels but they refused. So whatever. Their choice.

Its only a ban for races between 400m and 1600m. Weird he didnt bring up the 3 women who have been banned from the 800m for years now though. (Oh wait, probably because a few of those are XXY like these two are also assumed to be).

averagejoel posted...

it doesn't matter if it's a coincidence. if the results produced by an action are racist, the action itself is racist

hmm no you're wrong, if you get 20 people, 10 white people and 10 black people, the black people all commit murder and the white people do nothing, all the black people goes to prison while the white people don't, this isn't racism even if the results without any context may look like it

ROOTFayth posted...

hmm no you're wrong, if you get 20 people, 10 white people and 10 black people, the black people all commit murder and the white people do nothing, all the black people goes to prison while the white people don't, this isn't racism even if the results without any context may look like it

jesus fuck dude where the hell did this hypothetical come from

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averagejoel posted...

jesus fuck dude where the hell did this hypothetical come from

it doesn't fucking matter, I made it really simple so you would understand, I'm not even sure you did though

Yeah, this seems like it is pretty BS, they should be allowed to compete.

PesticideDream posted...

Yeah, this seems like it is pretty BS, they should be allowed to compete.

In order for them to, the Olympic committee would also need to stop testing trans athletes for testosterone.

ROOTFayth posted...

it doesn't fucking matter, I made it really simple so you would understand, I'm not even sure you did though

yes it absolutely fucking matters. I don't care about contrived hypotheticals when there are actual policies that are disproportionately hurting black people.

again: if a policy has a racist effect, it is a racist policy regardless of anything else

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averagejoel posted...

yes it absolutely fucking matters. I don't care about contrived hypotheticals when there are actual policies that are disproportionately hurting black people.

again: if a policy has a racist effect, it is a racist policy regardless of anything else

no joel, no it doesn't matter what my hypothetical is, what matter is you try harder to get the point of the hypothetical

do you need me to make another one that will not offend you so your brain can process it?

averagejoel posted...

yes it absolutely fucking matters. I don't care about contrived hypotheticals when there are actual policies that are disproportionately hurting black people.

again: if a policy has a racist effect, it is a racist policy regardless of anything else

Its not a racist effect as most female athletes who will test over the limit are XXY. They have the option to take a simple birth control pill that will literally get them under the limit and make the CHOICE not to despite KNOWING what the rules are. These women can and ARE still competing in the 200m in the olympics.

ROOTFayth posted...

no joel, no it doesn't matter what my hypothetical is, what matter is you try harder to get the point of the hypothetical

do you need me to make another one that will not offend you so your brain can process it?

no, you need to explain, without using contrived hypotheticals, why you think that racist results don't inherently mean that the policy was racist

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