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pure_temper 07/05/21 1:54:47 PM #1:	Does the far left support the CCP? Yea No They're just the regressives who are closet fascists Does the far left support the CCP? - Results (170 votes) Yea 27.65% (47 votes) 47 No 54.12% (92 votes) 92 They're just the regressives who are closet fascists 18.24% (31 votes) 31 --- It's obvious all religions are fundamentally true. <cite>pure_temper posted [p:955768992] in Does the f... [t:79549581]...</cite> <quote> Does the far left support the CCP? Yea No They're just the regressives who are closet fascists Vote View Results Does the far left support the CCP? - Results (170 votes) Yea 27.65% (47 votes) 47 No 54.12% (92 votes) 92 They're just the regressives who are closet fascists 18.24% (31 votes) 31 Show Voting Form </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LNSS 07/05/21 2:15:13 PM #2:	I support Marxism-Leninism, Deng Xiaoping Theory with the Four Cardinal Principles and the Three Represents, Xi Jinping Thought on Socialism with Chinese Characteristics for a New Era, the Scientific Outlook on Development, and the creation of a Socialist Harmonious Society. <cite>LNSS posted [p:955769614] in Does the f... [t:79549581]...</cite> <quote>I support Marxism-Leninism, Deng Xiaoping Theory with the Four Cardinal Principles and the Three Represents, Xi Jinping Thought on Socialism with Chinese Characteristics for a New Era, the Scientific Outlook on Development, and the creation of a Socialist Harmonious Society. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SSJPurple 07/05/21 2:16:19 PM #3:	No, f* the Chinese govt. --- Long Term Effects of Suffering - 8/13/21 #G59 <cite>SSJPurple posted [p:955769636] in Does the f... [t:79549581]...</cite> <quote> No, f* the Chinese govt. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 07/05/21 2:17:16 PM #4:	LNSS posted... I support Marxism-Leninism, Deng Xiaoping Theory, Xi Jinping Thought on Socialism with Chinese Characteristics for a New Era, and the creation of a Socialist Harmonious Society. Communism doesn't work. Socialism can. But communism has proven to be flawed. No nation has ever actually been real Communist. Because it is impossible. The inventor of communism would have despised every nation in history claiming to be Communist. <cite>Zikten posted [p:955769652] in Does the f... [t:79549581]...</cite> <quote>LNSS posted...</cite> <quote>I support Marxism-Leninism, Deng Xiaoping Theory, Xi Jinping Thought on Socialism with Chinese Characteristics for a New Era, and the creation of a Socialist Harmonious Society. </quote> Communism doesn't work. Socialism can. But communism has proven to be flawed. No nation has ever actually been real Communist. Because it is impossible. The inventor of communism would have despised every nation in history claiming to be Communist.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LNSS 07/05/21 2:17:55 PM #5:	Zikten posted... Communism doesn't work. Socialism can. But communism has proven to be flawed. No nation has ever actually been real Communist. Because it is impossible. The inventor of communism would have despised every nation in history claiming to be Communist. China works, that's what I like about them. <cite>LNSS posted [p:955769675] in Does the f... [t:79549581]...</cite> <quote>Zikten posted... </cite> <quote>Communism doesn't work. Socialism can. But communism has proven to be flawed. No nation has ever actually been real Communist. Because it is impossible. The inventor of communism would have despised every nation in history claiming to be Communist.</quote> China works, that's what I like about them. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 07/05/21 2:19:02 PM #6:	LNSS posted... China works, that's what I like about them. It only works for the people on top. <cite>Zikten posted [p:955769703] in Does the f... [t:79549581]...</cite> <quote>LNSS posted...</cite> <quote> China works, that's what I like about them. </quote> It only works for the people on top.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
spikethedevil 07/05/21 2:20:00 PM #7:	LNSS posted... China works, that's what I like about them. Ignoring the genocide. --- A garbage pod!? It's a smegging garbage pod! <cite>spikethedevil posted [p:955769733] in Does the f... [t:79549581]...</cite> <quote>LNSS posted... </cite> <quote>China works, that's what I like about them.</quote> Ignoring the genocide. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnholyMudcrab 07/05/21 2:20:46 PM #8:	Far leftists would be angry at them for folding to capitalism --- https://imgur.com/VeNBg https://imgur.com/gd5jC8q https://imgur.com/PKIy7 https://imgur.com/3p29JqP <cite>UnholyMudcrab posted [p:955769755] in Does the f... [t:79549581]...</cite> <quote>Far leftists would be angry at them for folding to capitalism</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shezarr 07/05/21 2:20:49 PM #9:	spikethedevil posted... Ignoring the genocide. LNSS doesn't believe in it. He posted a link in the other topic supposedly to say "The US govt even agrees it doesn't exist!" but the link itself (he didn't read it) basically says they're committing genocide but some legal scholars say it's hard to prove in court. --- The artist formerly known as RebelElite791 <cite>Shezarr posted [p:955769757] in Does the f... [t:79549581]...</cite> <quote>spikethedevil posted... </cite> <quote>Ignoring the genocide.</quote>LNSS doesn't believe in it. He posted a link in the other topic supposedly to say "The US govt even agrees it doesn't exist!" but the link itself (he didn't read it) basically says they're committing genocide but some legal scholars say it's hard to prove in court. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LNSS 07/05/21 2:20:52 PM #10:	Zikten posted... It only works for the people on top. And the billion they lifted off poverty too. <cite>LNSS posted [p:955769763] in Does the f... [t:79549581]...</cite> <quote>Zikten posted... </cite> <quote>It only works for the people on top.</quote> And the billion they lifted off poverty too. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pogo_rabid 07/05/21 2:21:11 PM #11:	It depends on what your definition of what the far left is. To a republican, the far left means...basically the entire left, whereas for a more middling leftist, the far left are the more extremist fringe groups that very well may sympathize with the CCP. --- Ryzen 3800x, 6900XT, 32 gig, 970pro, Asus Strix x570-E FC: SW-8431-3263-1243 <cite>pogo_rabid posted [p:955769773] in Does the f... [t:79549581]...</cite> <quote>It depends on what your definition of what the far left is. To a republican, the far left means...basically the entire left, whereas for a more middling leftist, the far left are the more extremist fringe groups that very well may sympathize with the CCP. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pure_temper 07/05/21 2:21:54 PM #12:	LNSS posted... I support Marxism-Leninism, Deng Xiaoping Theory with the Four Cardinal Principles and the Three Represents, Xi Jinping Thought on Socialism with Chinese Characteristics for a New Era, the Scientific Outlook on Development, and the creation of a Socialist Harmonious Society. do you support arresting journalists in Hong Kong and Uyghur Muslim in those Xinjiang camps? --- It's obvious all religions are fundamentally true. <cite>pure_temper posted [p:955769789] in Does the f... [t:79549581]...</cite> <quote>LNSS posted... </cite> <quote>I support Marxism-Leninism, Deng Xiaoping Theory with the Four Cardinal Principles and the Three Represents, Xi Jinping Thought on Socialism with Chinese Characteristics for a New Era, the Scientific Outlook on Development, and the creation of a Socialist Harmonious Society.</quote> do you support arresting journalists in Hong Kong and Uyghur Muslim in those Xinjiang camps? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LNSS 07/05/21 2:22:19 PM #13:	Shezarr posted... LNSS doesn't believe in it. He posted a link in the other topic supposedly to say "The US govt even agrees it doesn't exist!" but the link itself (he didn't read it) basically says they're committing genocide but some legal scholars say it's hard to prove in court. I didn't post the article, and I don't have anymore FP free articles so I can only read the first paragraph. You are essentially discriminating me for being poor, in a very classist manner. <cite>LNSS posted [p:955769804] in Does the f... [t:79549581]...</cite> <quote>Shezarr posted... </cite> <quote>LNSS doesn't believe in it. He posted a link in the other topic supposedly to say "The US govt even agrees it doesn't exist!" but the link itself (he didn't read it) basically says they're committing genocide but some legal scholars say it's hard to prove in court.</quote> I didn't post the article, and I don't have anymore FP free articles so I can only read the first paragraph. You are essentially discriminating me for being poor, in a very classist manner. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shezarr 07/05/21 2:22:51 PM #14:	LNSS posted... I didn't post the article, and I don't have anymore FP free articles so I can only read the first paragraph. You are essentially discriminating me for being poor, in a very classist manner. lmao oh you're just a troll. I see. --- The artist formerly known as RebelElite791 <cite>Shezarr posted [p:955769812] in Does the f... [t:79549581]...</cite> <quote>LNSS posted... </cite> <quote>I didn't post the article, and I don't have anymore FP free articles so I can only read the first paragraph. You are essentially discriminating me for being poor, in a very classist manner.</quote>lmao oh you're just a troll. I see. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 07/05/21 2:23:08 PM #15:	LNSS posted... And the billion they lifted off poverty too. I'll let the dying beggars I met in China know that they have been lifted from poverty <cite>Zikten posted [p:955769822] in Does the f... [t:79549581]...</cite> <quote>LNSS posted...</cite> <quote> And the billion they lifted off poverty too. </quote> I'll let the dying beggars I met in China know that they have been lifted from poverty</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funkydog 07/05/21 2:23:39 PM #16:	Why on earth do people still make the claim that anyone of the left supports a genocidal dictatorship. Anyone who claims to support that shit stain of a government is not someone on the left, no matter how much they might think they are. Reality doesn't change because they scream loudly and stubbornly. --- https://imgur.com/BGbZK <cite>Funkydog posted [p:955769830] in Does the f... [t:79549581]...</cite> <quote>Why on earth do people still make the claim that anyone of the left supports a genocidal dictatorship. Anyone who claims to support that shit stain of a government is not someone on the left, no matter how much they might think they are. Reality doesn't change because they scream loudly and stubbornly. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid Snake07 07/05/21 2:23:58 PM #17:	https://youtu.be/UAVImvzFhXI --- "People incapable of guilt usually do have a good time" -Detective Rust Cohle <cite>Solid Snake07 posted [p:955769837] in Does the f... [t:79549581]...</cite> <quote>https://youtu.be/UAVImvzFhXI </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LNSS 07/05/21 2:24:00 PM #18:	pure_temper posted... do you support arresting journalists in Hong Kong and Uyghur Muslim in those Xinjiang camps? Which journalists? I don't support the sterilization of people, very sad. <cite>LNSS posted [p:955769838] in Does the f... [t:79549581]...</cite> <quote>pure_temper posted... </cite> <quote>do you support arresting journalists in Hong Kong and Uyghur Muslim in those Xinjiang camps?</quote> Which journalists? I don't support the sterilization of people, very sad. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
spikethedevil 07/05/21 2:24:40 PM #19:	LNSS posted... Which journalists? I don't support the sterilization of people, very sad. So why do you support a government thats genociding muslims? --- A garbage pod!? It's a smegging garbage pod! <cite>spikethedevil posted [p:955769861] in Does the f... [t:79549581]...</cite> <quote>LNSS posted... </cite> <quote>Which journalists? I don't support the sterilization of people, very sad.</quote> So why do you support a government thats genociding muslims? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LNSS 07/05/21 2:24:47 PM #20:	Zikten posted... I'll let the dying beggars I met in China know that they have been lifted from poverty Ask the members of the growing middle class too. <cite>LNSS posted [p:955769863] in Does the f... [t:79549581]...</cite> <quote>Zikten posted... </cite> <quote>I'll let the dying beggars I met in China know that they have been lifted from poverty</quote> Ask the members of the growing middle class too. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 07/05/21 2:26:21 PM #21:	LNSS posted... Ask the members of the growing middle class too. You can only join the middle class if you are a citizen. Many of the lowest class are "invisible " in Chinese society and lack official citizenship even though they have lived in China all their lives. <cite>Zikten posted [p:955769910] in Does the f... [t:79549581]...</cite> <quote>LNSS posted...</cite> <quote> Ask the members of the growing middle class too. </quote> You can only join the middle class if you are a citizen. Many of the lowest class are "invisible " in Chinese society and lack official citizenship even though they have lived in China all their lives.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LNSS 07/05/21 2:27:27 PM #22:	spikethedevil posted... So why do you support a government thats genociding muslims? Because they lifted millions out off poverty, are leading the world in renewable energies, are exploring space, gave my country millions of COVID vaccines while "developed countries" ignored us, are investing heavily in other poor countries across the world, they don't coup or invade countries whenever a left-winger wins elections in them, etc. <cite>LNSS posted [p:955769941] in Does the f... [t:79549581]...</cite> <quote>spikethedevil posted... </cite> <quote>So why do you support a government thats genociding muslims?</quote> Because they lifted millions out off poverty, are leading the world in renewable energies, are exploring space, gave my country millions of COVID vaccines while "developed countries" ignored us, are investing heavily in other poor countries across the world, they don't coup or invade countries whenever a left-winger wins elections in them, etc. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shezarr 07/05/21 2:27:56 PM #23:	LNSS posted... Because they lifted millions out off poverty, are leading the world in renewable energies, are exploring space, gave my country millions of COVID vaccines while "developed countries" ignored us, are investing heavily in other poor countries across the world, they don't coup or invade countries whenever a left-winger wins elections in them, etc. ....Wow. So not even a denier, but a justifier. Somehow worse. --- The artist formerly known as RebelElite791 <cite>Shezarr posted [p:955769956] in Does the f... [t:79549581]...</cite> <quote>LNSS posted... </cite> <quote>Because they lifted millions out off poverty, are leading the world in renewable energies, are exploring space, gave my country millions of COVID vaccines while "developed countries" ignored us, are investing heavily in other poor countries across the world, they don't coup or invade countries whenever a left-winger wins elections in them, etc.</quote>....Wow. So not even a denier, but a justifier. Somehow worse. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PC-Builder_Pony 07/05/21 2:28:24 PM #24:	Hopefully they don't --- Mac Book Pro 16 - 6-Core i7-9750H @ 2.60GHz - 32gb DDR4 2667 MHz - Radeon Pro 5500M 8gb - 2TB Apple SSD <cite>PC-Builder_Pony posted [p:955769968] in Does the f... [t:79549581]...</cite> <quote>Hopefully they don't </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FortuneCookie 07/05/21 2:28:53 PM #25:	Some do. Most don't. Politics have myriad appeal. For a small contingent on the far left, counterculture is the appeal. Decades ago, you had far leftists who were pro Mao Zedong, knowing he was a tool, because it pissed other people off. There will always been trolls. <cite>FortuneCookie posted [p:955769979] in Does the f... [t:79549581]...</cite> <quote>Some do. Most don't. Politics have myriad appeal. For a small contingent on the far left, counterculture is the appeal. Decades ago, you had far leftists who were pro Mao Zedong, knowing he was a tool, because it pissed other people off. There will always been trolls. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
carljenk 07/05/21 2:29:27 PM #26:	Report and move on --- Sorry if my posts make you feel emotional. It is not my intent. Make America Nazi-Free Again. #NoMoreNazis #Wolf2 <cite>carljenk posted [p:955769998] in Does the f... [t:79549581]...</cite> <quote>Report and move on </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funkydog 07/05/21 2:29:35 PM #27:	Setting aside several of those things plain aren't true or an incredibly naive and biased twisting of reality (China is only "investing" to give themselves control over the area and no intention to help the actual locals) you are saying you are okay with their genocide then? --- https://imgur.com/BGbZK <cite>Funkydog posted [p:955770003] in Does the f... [t:79549581]...</cite> <quote>Setting aside several of those things plain aren't true or an incredibly naive and biased twisting of reality (China is only "investing" to give themselves control over the area and no intention to help the actual locals) you are saying you are okay with their genocide then? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ScazarMeltex 07/05/21 2:29:41 PM #28:	UnholyMudcrab posted... Far leftists would be angry at them for folding to capitalism Pretty much this. The CCP abandoned Communism decades ago. Now it's no different than any other capitalist system. People at the top get rich, everyone else ekes out a meager existence generating the wealth that the people at the top pocket. It's actually not much different than how things work in the US. Only in China they cut out the middle man, money goes straight to the party officials. In the US it goes to the corporate executives and shareholders who then use it to donate to politicians that will cut regulations and taxes for them. Did the Kuomintang government need to go? Absolutely. Same as every regime that has suffered a massive communist or socialist uprising. The problem is always what comes after. --- "If you wish to converse with me define your terms" Voltaire <cite>ScazarMeltex posted [p:955770011] in Does the f... [t:79549581]...</cite> <quote>UnholyMudcrab posted... </cite> <quote>Far leftists would be angry at them for folding to capitalism</quote>Pretty much this. The CCP abandoned Communism decades ago. Now it's no different than any other capitalist system. People at the top get rich, everyone else ekes out a meager existence generating the wealth that the people at the top pocket. It's actually not much different than how things work in the US. Only in China they cut out the middle man, money goes straight to the party officials. In the US it goes to the corporate executives and shareholders who then use it to donate to politicians that will cut regulations and taxes for them. Did the Kuomintang government need to go? Absolutely. Same as every regime that has suffered a massive communist or socialist uprising. The problem is always what comes after. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hop103 07/05/21 2:31:20 PM #29:	It's 50/50 I have seen both Pooh's drones and those with proper common sense to oppose Pooh on the far left, it's one of those things you can't judge solely on pronouns, group support, etc. on a person's profile. --- "In the name of the future moon I shall punish you"-Chibi Moon <cite>Hop103 posted [p:955770058] in Does the f... [t:79549581]...</cite> <quote>It's 50/50 I have seen both Pooh's drones and those with proper common sense to oppose Pooh on the far left, it's one of those things you can't judge solely on pronouns, group support, etc. on a person's profile.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GallisOTK 07/05/21 2:31:31 PM #30:	SSJPurple posted... No, f*** the Chinese govt. Funkydog posted... Why on earth do people still make the claim that anyone of the left supports a genocidal dictatorship. Anyone who claims to support that shit stain of a government is not someone on the left, no matter how much they might think they are. Reality doesn't change because they scream loudly and stubbornly. This. Fuck dictatorships and fuck the CCP. --- https://imgur.com/sZ6drsj <cite>GallisOTK posted [p:955770063] in Does the f... [t:79549581]...</cite> <quote>SSJPurple posted...</cite> <quote>No, f*** the Chinese govt. </quote> Funkydog posted...</cite> <quote>Why on earth do people still make the claim that anyone of the left supports a genocidal dictatorship. Anyone who claims to support that shit stain of a government is not someone on the left, no matter how much they might think they are. Reality doesn't change because they scream loudly and stubbornly. </quote> This. Fuck dictatorships and fuck the CCP.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shablagoo 07/05/21 2:31:36 PM #31:	Funkydog posted... China is only "investing" to give themselves control over the area and no intention to help the actual locals Guess Funkydog knows better than the international experts who say otherwise. We here on CE should be grateful to be graced by such a knowledge god. --- "If you wanna grow your business you need to exploit more." ~Austin_Era_II "Out of those two? Racist for me... easily." ~Vicious_Dios <cite>Shablagoo posted [p:955770066] in Does the f... [t:79549581]...</cite> <quote>Funkydog posted... </cite> <quote>China is only "investing" to give themselves control over the area and no intention to help the actual locals</quote> Guess Funkydog knows better than the international experts who say otherwise. We here on CE should be grateful to be graced by such a knowledge god. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LNSS 07/05/21 2:32:57 PM #32:	FortuneCookie posted... Some do. Most don't. Politics have myriad appeal. For a small contingent on the far left, counterculture is the appeal. Decades ago, you had far leftists who were pro Mao Zedong, knowing he was a tool, because it pissed other people off. There will always been trolls. The funniest thing is that now a good fraction of the mainstream radical-left identify as Maoists. The thing is that mainstream radical left in first-world countries is dominated by romantic pseudo-anarchists who believe the CHAZ to have been tantamount to the Bolshevik Revolution of our times and unknowingly up repeating CIA propaganda. <cite>LNSS posted [p:955770099] in Does the f... [t:79549581]...</cite> <quote>FortuneCookie posted... </cite> <quote>Some do. Most don't. Politics have myriad appeal. For a small contingent on the far left, counterculture is the appeal. Decades ago, you had far leftists who were pro Mao Zedong, knowing he was a tool, because it pissed other people off. There will always been trolls.</quote> The funniest thing is that now a good fraction of the mainstream radical-left identify as Maoists. The thing is that mainstream radical left in first-world countries is dominated by romantic pseudo-anarchists who believe the CHAZ to have been tantamount to the Bolshevik Revolution of our times and unknowingly up repeating CIA propaganda. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funkydog 07/05/21 2:33:21 PM #33:	Shablagoo posted... Guess Funkydog knows better than the international experts who say otherwise. We here on CE should be grateful to be graced by such a knowledge god. Yes, we know your thoughts on a genocidal dictatorship and your support of those actions, you don't need to tell us. --- https://imgur.com/BGbZK <cite>Funkydog posted [p:955770111] in Does the f... [t:79549581]...</cite> <quote>Shablagoo posted... </cite> <quote>Guess Funkydog knows better than the international experts who say otherwise. We here on CE should be grateful to be graced by such a knowledge god.</quote>Yes, we know your thoughts on a genocidal dictatorship and your support of those actions, you don't need to tell us. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LNSS 07/05/21 2:34:37 PM #34:	Shezarr posted... ....Wow. So not even a denier, but a justifier. Somehow worse. I'm not justifying anything. The CPC has done reprehensible things that are unjustifiable, but has also done great things. <cite>LNSS posted [p:955770139] in Does the f... [t:79549581]...</cite> <quote>Shezarr posted... </cite> <quote>....Wow. So not even a denier, but a justifier. Somehow worse.</quote> I'm not justifying anything. The CPC has done reprehensible things that are unjustifiable, but has also done great things. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ScazarMeltex 07/05/21 2:34:48 PM #35:	LNSS posted... The funniest thing is that now a good fraction of the mainstream radical-left identify as Maoists. The thing is that mainstream radical left in first-world countries is dominated by romantic pseudo-anarchists who believe the CHAZ to have been tantamount to the Bolshevik Revolution of our times and unknowingly up repeating CIA propaganda. There is no such fucking thing in the US as a mainstream radical left. The closest thing you have to a mainstream left are Bernie bros and they are democratic socialists and thus still capitalists. --- "If you wish to converse with me define your terms" Voltaire <cite>ScazarMeltex posted [p:955770142] in Does the f... [t:79549581]...</cite> <quote>LNSS posted... </cite> <quote>The funniest thing is that now a good fraction of the mainstream radical-left identify as Maoists. The thing is that mainstream radical left in first-world countries is dominated by romantic pseudo-anarchists who believe the CHAZ to have been tantamount to the Bolshevik Revolution of our times and unknowingly up repeating CIA propaganda.</quote>There is no such fucking thing in the US as a mainstream radical left. The closest thing you have to a mainstream left are Bernie bros and they are democratic socialists and thus still capitalists. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shezarr 07/05/21 2:35:17 PM #36:	ScazarMeltex posted... and they are democratic socialists and thus still capitalists. social democrats* democratic socialists and social democrats are not the same thing. --- The artist formerly known as RebelElite791 <cite>Shezarr posted [p:955770149] in Does the f... [t:79549581]...</cite> <quote>ScazarMeltex posted... </cite> <quote>and they are democratic socialists and thus still capitalists.</quote>social democrats* democratic socialists and social democrats are not the same thing. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LNSS 07/05/21 2:36:16 PM #37:	Funkydog posted... Setting aside several of those things plain aren't true or an incredibly naive and biased twisting of reality (China is only "investing" to give themselves control over the area and no intention to help the actual locals) you are saying you are okay with their genocide then? That's how investing works. You put money into a project which will benefit the locals and at the same time generate you returns. <cite>LNSS posted [p:955770177] in Does the f... [t:79549581]...</cite> <quote>Funkydog posted... </cite> <quote>Setting aside several of those things plain aren't true or an incredibly naive and biased twisting of reality (China is only "investing" to give themselves control over the area and no intention to help the actual locals) you are saying you are okay with their genocide then?</quote> That's how investing works. You put money into a project which will benefit the locals and at the same time generate you returns. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ScazarMeltex 07/05/21 2:37:45 PM #38:	Shezarr posted... social democrats* democratic socialists and social democrats are not the same thing. Sanders (and thus his followers) claims to be a democratic socialist, not a social democrats. --- "If you wish to converse with me define your terms" Voltaire <cite>ScazarMeltex posted [p:955770214] in Does the f... [t:79549581]...</cite> <quote>Shezarr posted... </cite> <quote>social democrats* democratic socialists and social democrats are not the same thing.</quote>Sanders (and thus his followers) claims to be a democratic socialist, not a social democrats. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tomoe_Mami 07/05/21 2:38:08 PM #39:	Zikten posted... Communism doesn't work. Socialism can. But communism has proven to be flawed. No nation has ever actually been real Communist. Because it is impossible. The inventor of communism would have despised every nation in history claiming to be Communist. Lmao --- https://imgur.com/o4bgkax <cite>Tomoe_Mami posted [p:955770226] in Does the f... [t:79549581]...</cite> <quote>Zikten posted... </cite> <quote>Communism doesn't work. Socialism can. But communism has proven to be flawed. No nation has ever actually been real Communist. Because it is impossible. The inventor of communism would have despised every nation in history claiming to be Communist.</quote> Lmao </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shezarr 07/05/21 2:38:30 PM #40:	ScazarMeltex posted... Sanders (and thus his followers) claims to be a democratic socialist, not a social democrats. I mean they might claim to, but regardless, democratic socialists aren't capitalists, and Bernie's ideas are much more in line with social democrats. --- The artist formerly known as RebelElite791 <cite>Shezarr posted [p:955770232] in Does the f... [t:79549581]...</cite> <quote>ScazarMeltex posted... </cite> <quote>Sanders (and thus his followers) claims to be a democratic socialist, not a social democrats.</quote>I mean they might claim to, but regardless, democratic socialists aren't capitalists, and Bernie's ideas are much more in line with social democrats. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LNSS 07/05/21 2:41:05 PM #41:	UnholyMudcrab posted... capitalism What western leftists don't understand is that socialism is not anti-capitalism, but post-capitalist. A true socialist society will evolve out of capitalism, not in spite of it, just like how capitalism arose from the mercantilistic kingdoms of the early modern era. Western leftists have no grasp of historical materialism, and hence they end up spouting nonsense such as "cHiNa iS nOt rEaL sOcIaLiSm lOl!!1!1!" <cite>LNSS posted [p:955770306] in Does the f... [t:79549581]...</cite> <quote>UnholyMudcrab posted... </cite> <quote>capitalism</quote> What western leftists don't understand is that socialism is not anti-capitalism, but post-capitalist. A true socialist society will evolve out of capitalism, not in spite of it, just like how capitalism arose from the mercantilistic kingdoms of the early modern era. Western leftists have no grasp of historical materialism, and hence they end up spouting nonsense such as "cHiNa iS nOt rEaL sOcIaLiSm lOl!!1!1!" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LNSS 07/05/21 2:43:18 PM #43:	ScazarMeltex posted... There is no such fucking thing in the US as a mainstream radical left. The closest thing you have to a mainstream left are Bernie bros and they are democratic socialists and thus still capitalists. I mean the mainstream line of thought that dominates within the marginal radical left that exist. <cite>LNSS posted [p:955770361] in Does the f... [t:79549581]...</cite> <quote>ScazarMeltex posted... </cite> <quote>There is no such fucking thing in the US as a mainstream radical left. The closest thing you have to a mainstream left are Bernie bros and they are democratic socialists and thus still capitalists.</quote> I mean the mainstream line of thought that dominates within the marginal radical left that exist. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pure_temper 07/05/21 2:43:56 PM #44:	LNSS posted... What western leftists don't understand is that socialism is not anti-capitalism, but post-capitalist. A true socialist society will evolve out of capitalism, not in spite of it, just like how capitalism arose from the mercantilistic kingdoms of the early modern era. Western leftists have no grasp of historical materialism, and hence they end up spouting nonsense such as "cHiNa iS nOt rEaL sOcIaLiSm lOl!!1!1!" this might be true with technology in the future. If its true in China why do they need to use violence to arrest journalists and put wrongthinkers into camps? Like the Uyghur Muslims. --- It's obvious all religions are fundamentally true. <cite>pure_temper posted [p:955770378] in Does the f... [t:79549581]...</cite> <quote>LNSS posted... </cite> <quote>What western leftists don't understand is that socialism is not anti-capitalism, but post-capitalist. A true socialist society will evolve out of capitalism, not in spite of it, just like how capitalism arose from the mercantilistic kingdoms of the early modern era. Western leftists have no grasp of historical materialism, and hence they end up spouting nonsense such as "cHiNa iS nOt rEaL sOcIaLiSm lOl!!1!1!"</quote> this might be true with technology in the future. If its true in China why do they need to use violence to arrest journalists and put wrongthinkers into camps? Like the Uyghur Muslims. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ScazarMeltex 07/05/21 2:45:44 PM #45:	Shezarr posted... I mean they might claim to, but regardless, democratic socialists aren't capitalists, and Bernie's ideas are much more in line with social democrats. No they aren't. Government doing stuff isn't socialism. Socialism advocates for worker control of the means production. Bernie people advocate for tax payer funded college, healthcare, and various other services that make up a strong social welfare net. Social democracy is a Socialist system that comes to power peacefully through established political processes. --- "If you wish to converse with me define your terms" Voltaire <cite>ScazarMeltex posted [p:955770427] in Does the f... [t:79549581]...</cite> <quote>Shezarr posted... </cite> <quote>I mean they might claim to, but regardless, democratic socialists aren't capitalists, and Bernie's ideas are much more in line with social democrats.</quote>No they aren't. Government doing stuff isn't socialism. Socialism advocates for worker control of the means production. Bernie people advocate for tax payer funded college, healthcare, and various other services that make up a strong social welfare net. Social democracy is a Socialist system that comes to power peacefully through established political processes. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shezarr 07/05/21 2:46:47 PM #46:	ScazarMeltex posted... Social democracy is a Socialist system The Nordic countries are social democracies. They are market economies with strong welfare and social programs. Again dude, democratic socialism and social democracy are not the same thing. --- The artist formerly known as RebelElite791 <cite>Shezarr posted [p:955770456] in Does the f... [t:79549581]...</cite> <quote>ScazarMeltex posted... </cite> <quote>Social democracy is a Socialist system</quote>The Nordic countries are social democracies. They are market economies with strong welfare and social programs. Again dude, democratic socialism and social democracy are not the same thing. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 07/05/21 2:47:37 PM #47:	Nothing makes the Uygjur genocide ok. If you find excuses to justify that, you are wrong. I dont care if the Chinese supposedly pulled you out of poverty. Even if that is true, it's on the blood of innocent people. <cite>Zikten posted [p:955770475] in Does the f... [t:79549581]...</cite> <quote>Nothing makes the Uygjur genocide ok. If you find excuses to justify that, you are wrong. I dont care if the Chinese supposedly pulled you out of poverty. Even if that is true, it's on the blood of innocent people.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LNSS 07/05/21 2:49:08 PM #48:	pure_temper posted... this might be true with technology in the future. If its true in China why do they need to use violence to arrest journalists and put wrongthinkers into camps? Like the Uyghur Muslims. You keep bringing out HK journalists, so I Googled it and found this. Police, who typically do not name arrested people, said in a statement that a 57-year-old man had been arrested at the airport for conspiring to collude with foreign countries or foreign forces to endanger national security. I mean if a journalist did that in any country, I would expect them to be arrested regardless of system of government. <cite>LNSS posted [p:955770509] in Does the f... [t:79549581]...</cite> <quote>pure_temper posted... </cite> <quote>this might be true with technology in the future. If its true in China why do they need to use violence to arrest journalists and put wrongthinkers into camps? Like the Uyghur Muslims.</quote> You keep bringing out HK journalists, so I Googled it and found this. <quote>Police, who typically do not name arrested people, said in a statement that a 57-year-old man had been arrested at the airport for conspiring to collude with foreign countries or foreign forces to endanger national security.</quote> I mean if a journalist did that in any country, I would expect them to be arrested regardless of system of government. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LNSS 07/05/21 2:50:49 PM #49:	Zikten posted... Nothing makes the Uygjur genocide ok. If you find excuses to justify that, you are wrong. I dont care if the Chinese supposedly pulled you out of poverty. Even if that is true, it's on the blood of innocent people. By that logic, civilization itself is built on the blood of innocent people. No matter where you live, it's likely that your prosperity is also built on top of mountains of skulls. <cite>LNSS posted [p:955770557] in Does the f... [t:79549581]...</cite> <quote>Zikten posted... </cite> <quote>Nothing makes the Uygjur genocide ok. If you find excuses to justify that, you are wrong. I dont care if the Chinese supposedly pulled you out of poverty. Even if that is true, it's on the blood of innocent people.</quote> By that logic, civilization itself is built on the blood of innocent people. No matter where you live, it's likely that your prosperity is also built on top of mountains of skulls. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 07/05/21 2:52:12 PM #50:	LNSS posted... By that logic, civilization itself is built on the blood of innocent people. No matter where you live, it's likely that your prosperity is also built on top of mountains of skulls. That's in the past. This is literally happening right now. You are twisted <cite>Zikten posted [p:955770593] in Does the f... [t:79549581]...</cite> <quote>LNSS posted...</cite> <quote> By that logic, civilization itself is built on the blood of innocent people. No matter where you live, it's likely that your prosperity is also built on top of mountains of skulls. </quote> That's in the past. This is literally happening right now. You are twisted</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pure_temper 07/05/21 2:54:35 PM #51:	@LNSS https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-06-16/hong-kong-arrests-apple-daily-editor-on-security-law-scmp-says --- It's obvious all religions are fundamentally true. <cite>pure_temper posted [p:955770662] in Does the f... [t:79549581]...</cite> <quote>@LNSS https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-06-16/hong-kong-arrests-apple-daily-editor-on-security-law-scmp-says </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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