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In a word: no. Many people THINK they are, and if you ask them for proof, they send you lists of bite statistics and news reports of Pit Bull attacks.

But that doesn't prove anything.

Rarely do the writers perform actual research. One obvious question they could investigate: Was the dog actually a Pit Bull? It's impossible to determine breed by appearance alone. And given that the CDC non-fatal bite statistics come from counting newspaper reports of attacks claiming it was a "pit-bull type" dog, there are bound to be gross inaccuracies.

No DNA tests were ever done, which are required to determine breed.

This is highly related to the reason why breed specific legislation doesn't work. And it never will. Even the CDC agrees:

Breed-specific legislation does not address the fact that a dog of any breed can become dangerous when bred or trained to be aggressive. From a scientific point of view, we are unaware of any formal evaluation of the effectiveness of breed-specific legislation in preventing fatal or nonfatal dog bites. An alternative to breed-specific legislation is to regulate individual dogs and owners on the basis of their behavior (JAVMA, Vol 217, No. 6, September 15, 2000 Vet Med Today: Special Report 839-840).

For these reasons, and many others, both the CDC and the American Veterinary Medical Association do not recommend discriminating based on breed.

The frenzy against Pit Bulls is nothing but blind fear fueled by the human need to find a scapegoat. There is not a single shred of proof that the American Pit Bull Terrier is a vicious, dangerous breed.

What are the facts?

The American Temperament Test Society (http://www.atts.org) performs their temperament tests regularly on popular breeds. You can visit their website to view upcoming testing dates and locations and actually get your own dog tested. The most recent aggregation of all test results was in 2008.

Description of the test:

The test simulates a casual walk through a park or neighborhood where everyday life situations are encountered. During this walk, the dog experiences visual, auditory and tactile stimuli. Neutral, friendly and threatening situations are encountered, calling into play the dog's ability to distinguish between non-threatening situations and those calling for watchful and protective reactions.

The dog fails the test if it shows:

• Unprovoked aggression
• Panic without recovery
• Strong avoidance

American Pit Bull Terriers passed the test at a rate of 85.3%.

This is higher than Collies, Golden Retrievers, and other dogs generally considered "family friendly". The average dog population is around 77%.

As most dog behaviorists and trainers will tell you, a dog is almost 100% a product of its owner and the training it recieves.

And if the APBT is so inherently dangerous, how come they are so successful as therapy dogs? As search and rescue animals?

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Science was invented by the pitbull illuminati.

If I had a kid I wouldnt trust one around mine

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Just think: a shotgun is completely safe unless someone uses it while a pitbull will eat babies by itself.

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In all seriousness, 'why' is CE suddenly obsessed with pitbull attacks? What's the agenda being spread?

Pitbulls live in a s o c i e t y

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Those stats are nerfed. You have to include "mixed breed", "terrier breed" and "pitbull mix" in those numbers as well and watch that percentage shoot way up. Why? Because many pitbull owners have their dogs classified as such so that their insurance will cover them if/when their dog snaps and attacks someone. Pit attacks are so common in the US many insurance companies won't even insure you if you have a pit.

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Background_Guy posted...

In all seriousness, 'why' is CE suddenly obsessed with pitbull attacks? What's the agenda being spread?

you dont know?

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jesus christ CE needs a new topic

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It really all depends on training and discipline really. But a lot of dog owners don't do that and its a sad cause and effect

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fr_e_shavoca_do posted...

apparently self defense is against the rules, what else are you supposed to do if a dog is charging at you?

Why do you keep trying this?

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If pitbulls had thumbs wed all be dead.

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R1masher posted...

you dont know?

No

They are like any other dog if you train them to be dangerous they will be

Pit bulls arent pets. Theyre time bombs.

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PoundGarden posted...

Pit attacks are so common in the US many insurance companies won't even insure you if you have

There are only 6000 to 13000 serious dog attacks a year, across all breeds, and there are 4.5 million pit bulls in the country. So... how is this even an issue? You're freaking out over something so minor.

sabrestorm posted...

They are like any other dog if you train them to be dangerous they will be

My Shetland Sheepdogs natural instinct isnt to rip a toddlers face off. Thats the difference. Pit Bulls are instinctively aggressive. You dont have to train a Pit Bull to be aggressive. You just have to let it exist.

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BeyondWalls posted...

My Shetland Sheepdogs natural instinct isnt to rip a toddlers face off. Thats the difference. Pit Bulls are instinctively aggressive. You dont have to train a Pit Bull to be aggressive. You just have to let it exist.

Did you even read OP
Seriously, there's something wrong with you guys. Why are you pushing this so hard, despite lacking any facts? What do you gain here?

Background_Guy posted...

What do you gain here?

Not having your face chewed off.

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BeyondWalls posted...

Not having your face chewed off.

Facts don't care about your feelings

Yes

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Background_Guy posted...

Facts don't care about your feelings

Neither does an attacking Pit Bull.

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Pit bulls make up only 6% of the dog population, but theyre responsible for 68% of dog attacks and 52% of dog-related deaths since 1982

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BeyondWalls posted...

My Shetland Sheepdogs natural instinct isnt to rip a toddlers face off. Thats the difference. Pit Bulls are instinctively aggressive. You dont have to train a Pit Bull to be aggressive. You just have to let it exist.

[citations needed]

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Lairen posted...

since 1982

and we all know what happened in 1982

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Background_Guy posted...

There are only 6000 to 13000 serious dog attacks a year, across all breeds, and there are 4.5 million pit bulls in the country. So... how is this even an issue? You're freaking out over something so minor.

If we say that there are 13000 dog attacks a year (upper end of the estimates) and that every single one of those attacks are pitbulls, and that each attack is from a different dog, then... .03% of pitbulls attack someone each year. And obviously the actual number without all those caveats is much lower.. So I ask again, what's the issue here?

R1masher posted...

and we all know what happened in 1982

... Michael Jackson released his hit studio album, Thriller

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Background_Guy posted...

So I ask again, what's the issue here?

Pit bulls attacking children.
Thats the issue.

Look. You can post all the bullshit you want about fire not being hot, but nobody in their right mind is going to stick their hand in the flame.

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GranolaPanic posted...

Ask PoundGarden.

I dont condone what he said.
Only because I doubt his accuracy.

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https://fox8.com/news/osu-study-ranks-which-dog-breeds-most-likely-to-bite-and-how-severe-injuries-could-be/

A new study is giving insight into which dog breeds are most at risk to bite people and how severe the injuries could be.

According to research done by Ohio State University, an unknown breed was responsible for the highest percentage of reported bites followed by Pit Bulls, mixed breed dogs and German Shepherds. Bites from mixed breeds and Pit Bulls were also found to be the most severe.

Breeds like the Akita and Great Dane are shown to have high damage from a bite although the risk of the breed biting is lower than others that top the list.

The research shows dog size is not always a factor in determining the likelihood of biting. The Jack Russell Terrier, Border Collie and Cocker Spaniel are also likely to bite, but their bite produces less tissue damage compared to other breeds.

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BeyondWalls posted...

You can post all the bulls*** you want

Seems to be youre the one doing that

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Shablagoo posted...

In a word: no. Many people THINK they are, and if you ask them for proof, they send you lists of bite statistics and news reports of Pit Bull attacks.

But that doesn't prove anything.

Rarely do the writers perform actual research. One obvious question they could investigate: Was the dog actually a Pit Bull? It's impossible to determine breed by appearance alone. And given that the CDC non-fatal bite statistics come from counting newspaper reports of attacks claiming it was a "pit-bull type" dog, there are bound to be gross inaccuracies.

No DNA tests were ever done, which are required to determine breed.

This is highly related to the reason why breed specific legislation doesn't work. And it never will. Even the CDC agrees:

For these reasons, and many others, both the CDC and the American Veterinary Medical Association do not recommend discriminating based on breed.

The frenzy against Pit Bulls is nothing but blind fear fueled by the human need to find a scapegoat. There is not a single shred of proof that the American Pit Bull Terrier is a vicious, dangerous breed.

What are the facts?

The American Temperament Test Society (http://www.atts.org) performs their temperament tests regularly on popular breeds. You can visit their website to view upcoming testing dates and locations and actually get your own dog tested. The most recent aggregation of all test results was in 2008.

Description of the test:

The dog fails the test if it shows:

* Unprovoked aggression
* Panic without recovery
* Strong avoidance

American Pit Bull Terriers passed the test at a rate of 85.3%.

This is higher than Collies, Golden Retrievers, and other dogs generally considered "family friendly". The average dog population is around 77%.

As most dog behaviorists and trainers will tell you, a dog is almost 100% a product of its owner and the training it recieves.

And if the APBT is so inherently dangerous, how come they are so successful as therapy dogs? As search and rescue animals?

People still wanna link this non-scientific test thay had pitbulls reacting violently and collies cowering in fear, and how that somehow proves pits are less agressive and dangerous?

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Background_Guy posted...

There are only 6000 to 13000 serious dog attacks a year, across all breeds, and there are 4.5 million pit bulls in the country. So... how is this even an issue? You're freaking out over something so minor.

Read the entire post. Specifically, this part:

PoundGarden posted...

Those stats are nerfed. You have to include "mixed breed", "terrier breed" and "pitbull mix" in those numbers as well and watch that percentage shoot way up.

Background_Guy posted...

Did you even read OP
Seriously, there's something wrong with you guys. Why are you pushing this so hard, despite lacking any facts? What do you gain here?

Well, less mauled people and animals for starters if Americans and our government actually gave a fuck about their neighbors and enacted common sense regulations towards pits.

GranolaPanic posted...

Last month a pair of Rottweilers mauled and killed a newborn baby. They were family pets for years. What isnt there more anger over that incident?

Probably becuse rotties don't destroy peoples lives every fucking day. But you know that. Cut the bullshit, you don't actually care about the victims of these dogs. At all.

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Pitbulls are some of the nicest dogs I have met. Chihuahua's are more aggressive than Pitbulls are.

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Lairen posted...

Pit bulls make up only 6% of the dog population, but theyre responsible for 68% of dog attacks and 52% of dog-related deaths since 1982

Fake news

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GranolaPanic posted...

Ask PoundGarden.

I ask you again, what the fuck is your goal here? Since you refuse to answer that question, im left to believe you don't actually care and just want to troll people and provoke them into fitting modded.

How fucking pathetic. I legit feel sorry for you. You're obsessed

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pinky0926 posted...

jesus christ CE needs a new topic

Should we go back to circumcision or spanking topics?

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Fade2black001 posted...

Pitbulls are some of the nicest dogs I have met. Chihuahua's are more aggressive than Pitbulls are.

Whoop, almost forgot:



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PoundGarden posted...

Read the entire post. Specifically, this part:

Well, less mauled people and animals for starters if Americans and our government actually gave a fuck about their neighbors and enacted common sense regulations towards pits.

Probably becuse rotties don't destroy peoples lives every fucking day. But you know that. Cut the bullshit, you don't actually care about the victims of these dogs. At all.

Even if a pit-bull killed a baby every single day in this country, that would still be an extremely small minority of the 4.5 million pit bulls. Its obviously tragic for the people involved, but its statistically insignificant.


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PoundGarden posted...

Whoop, almost forgot:

I agree. It's just like with kids

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