Current Events > Nintendo is the most baffling managed major company right?

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I've always said being a Nintendo fan now is like being in a abusive neglective relationship. Your taking for granted and you keep going back taking whatever they dish out.

I quit buying Nintendo products after the wiiU and I owned everything Nintendo prior. Despite the great 1st party games Nintendo is just plain anti consumer.

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LeoRavus posted...

Nintendo could release a potato with Mario carved into it and people would pay at least $60 for it

I disagree, but that comment is funny as hell.

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I think the biggest thing people forget is that Nintendo focuses on kids. The Switch Lite is aimed at kids and parents looking to buy a 3DS replacement. It's cheaper than a full Switch so Johnny and Susie can both get one.

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Ranting Nord posted...

I think the biggest thing people forget is that Nintendo focuses on kids. The Switch Lite is aimed at kids and parents looking to buy a 3DS replacement. It's cheaper than a full Switch so Johnny and Susie can both get one.

Switch lite could still be cheaper and target Johnny, Susie and Maybe since their parents Tim and Lisa have a switch, the kids switch lite can dock to the family TV too and they can get together on the big screen and pull up Johnnys village in animal crossing. Or maybe Susie is a little older and she gets a job and the first things she buys is a TV and her own dock for her switch lite.

I just dont see why yall wanna go out of your way to only see this market through the eyes of Nintendos incompetence.

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YoungMutual posted...

Corporate Nintendo practices aside, where complaints are completely valid, the amount of care and love they make their games with are things souless shit Ubisoft, EA, Activision and all these shit western companies will never compare.

People put up with Nintendo because no one makes games like them

This is a load of Nintendrone horseshit koolaide nonsense.

Im not arguing Nintendo doesnt make good games sometimes. But to say its all care and love and no one else is doing this? Open your eyes my dude.

First of all, when theyre not being completely lazy with such examples as $60 for 3 copy pasted Roms in Super 3D Allstars.

You wanna talk soulless? How about sitting on literally fucking dozens of beloved franchises and doing absolutely fucking nothing with them for years.

And my dude. Im a thousand percent serious. Theres more passion, love and raw talent put in the just first 10 minutes of Spider-Man (PS4) then Nintendo has demonstrated they have the capability to achieve in decades. Milking familiar characters with a cutesy art style to a fan base who was going to buy it regardless isnt the same as love and care.

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For a guy who viciously defended S-E's Avengers right up to release date, you sure are taking some risks claiming to know what games have "soul".

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SwayM posted...

This is a load of Nintendrone horseshit koolaide nonsense.

Im not arguing Nintendo doesnt make good games sometimes. But to say its all care and love and no one else is doing this? Open your eyes my dude.

First of all, when theyre not being completely lazy with such examples as $60 for 3 copy pasted Roms in Super 3D Allstars.

You wanna talk soulless? How about sitting on literally fucking dozens of beloved franchises and doing absolutely fucking nothing with them for years.

And my dude. Im a thousand percent serious. Theres more passion, love and raw talent put in the just first 10 minutes of Spider-Man (PS4) then Nintendo has demonstrated they have the capability to achieve in decades. Milking familiar characters with a cutesy art style to a fan base who was going to buy it regardless isnt the same as love and care.

How about other franchises other companies have and aren't doing anything with them? Oh, right. It's Nintendo and it's "cool" for Millennials to hide behind their laptops and bash Nintendo.....

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TyVulpine posted...

"They're mediocre because I say so!" Okay, whatever you say, bitter MS/Sony fanboy.

dang the salt is flowing lol. You're just another nintendrone that will slurp up everything they do even if it's shit or anti-consumer. I bet you bought a labo Lool

This topic feels like one from NGG in 2005. It's not good.


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I certainly agree that their online strategy is woefully outdated, but Nintendo has enough spare cash to take a financial loss for something like 50 straight years without going broke, so whatever you want to call them, "poorly managed" isn't one of them.

Plus they should get at least a little credit for the CEO cutting his own pay in half on two separate occasions for the company underperforming. I'd like to see Todd Howard try that.

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Crescente posted...

dang the salt is flowing lol. You're just another nintendrone that will slurp up everything they do even if it's shit or anti-consumer. I bet you bought a labo Lool

those wood things you build from Nintendo? Nope, never saw the point in them, but unlike some people, I'm not going to be a petty bitch and bash them.....

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CyricZ posted...

For a guy who viciously defended S-E's Avengers right up to release date, you sure are taking some risks claiming to know what games have "soul".

This is the one time your weird, unhealthy obsession of that game is actually somewhat relevant to the conversation

One company puts their heart and soul into game and produces Spider-Man. And the quality of that game shows on every level. Another company phones in an Avengers game and is a very good example of something that didnt sell or review well on name recognition alone. Nintendo products often dont see this distinction, and will sell and review well simply because of the name on the box.

btw. About your weird unhealthy obsession. I have to point out the irony in how my arguments about that game and many like it(NMS for example), werent that I thought it was going to be flawless and perfect. It was that it was impossible to have an actual conversation about the game because all threads devolved into the most spiteful, toxic whining of people who wanted to see the game fail. The game came and went. I posted a few times about its flaws, disappointments and things that I liked. But you using this as a Hail Mary when you lose arguments about Nintendo or even trans issues for shits sakes. Not only is it just a sad attempt derailing. Its just proves me right about the toxicity of wanting a game to fail so bad, this is the level that you take it. Since I know youre not a troll, the only other explanation of such a compulsion isdeeply unhealthy my dude.

but this is the last time I entertain this in a topic that isnt about it. @ me and create a topic when the black Panther expansion comes out. I may get back into it then.

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So basically "get over it it was a whole year ago also it's super weird you remember that thing I did constantly for months through 2019 and 2020".

Antifar's right. Not only is this topic from 2005, I'm not convinced you ever left 2005 in the 16 years since.

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Spider Man is pretty good but it's not that good. I'm not sure why it's being touted as some pinnacle in gaming ITT.

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Lil_Bit83 posted...

I disagree, but that comment is funny as hell.

They literally released overpriced cardboard and people bought it

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CyricZ posted...

Antifar's right. Not only is this topic from 2005, I'm not convinced you ever left 2005 in the 16 years since.

makes sense, given TC's a Star Citizen defender

dude's gimmick is posting the most unpopular opinions imaginable

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CyricZ posted...

So basically

Im going to stop you there.

Youre really bad at this. If this were a test, writing nothing would have been a far superior answer to the one you gave. This complete lack of understanding of the assignment would have you held back a grade. Fuckin yikes.

Jabodie posted...

Spider Man is pretty good but it's not that good. I'm not sure why it's being touted as some pinnacle in gaming ITT.

IMHO its that good. You cannot show me a video game that Nintendo has ever produced thats even in the same league as Spider-Man. And thats just one example. Heres another example: Red Dead Redemption 2. Put your bias aside, Nintendo is not capable of creating the same calibre of game as RDR2.

But thats not really the point. Homie said only Nintendo games are made with love and care.

Thats just complete and utter horse poop and a silly thing to say.


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LOL at thinking Spider-Man is better than any Nintendo game.

What about Ocarina of Time? Majora's Mask? Super Mario Galaxy 1 and 2?

SwayM posted...

You cant make statements like this without some perception of what kinds of consumers buy Nintendo products. Right?

Dont sit here and tell me they couldnt have sold a switch lite at a budget price, kept the docking features and had a MUCH better product that
a) still targeted whatever consumer has zero need for the dock, and
2) consumers that either have a dock already or may plan to buy one in the future.

I cant tell you what they could or couldnt do. I dont know the specs and price points of all the individual pieces that go into making a Switch or a Switch Lite. As for why Nintendo doesnt at the expense of the costs, theyre a for-profit company looking to maximize profits. They feel this is the best strategy to maximize sales. After that, its on the customer to determine if they agree or not before opening their wallets.

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SwayM posted...

Switch lite could still be cheaper and target Johnny, Susie and Maybe since their parents Tim and Lisa have a switch, the kids switch lite can dock to the family TV too and they can get together on the big screen and pull up Johnnys village in animal crossing. Or maybe Susie is a little older and she gets a job and the first things she buys is a TV and her own dock for her switch lite.

I just dont see why yall wanna go out of your way to only see this market through the eyes of Nintendos incompetence.

The Lite is a smaller system. So it would need its own dock. That would only be available separately. So nah that wouldn't really make sense.

Also to cut costs for the system the Lite doesn't have a video out chip. It likely isn't designed to be overclocked either. Both things help cut its cost down.

SwayM posted...

IMHO its that good. You cannot show me a video game that Nintendo has ever produced thats even in the same league as Spider-Man.

Lmao

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The only legit defense I can think of is Nintendo has always dominated hand held market. So maybe that's why they focus more on that aspect. Especially with the other 2 not even trying to compete on that ground anymore they got a monopoly on the handheld market.

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I think it's cool that Nintendo released 3 different versions of the Switch, at 3 different price points, that don't really warrant a second purchase if you're already a Switch owner but are still attractive to new buyers for different reasons. "Pro" revisions of consoles are fucking annoying for early adopters.
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VGAddict90 posted...

What about Ocarina of Time? Majora's Mask? Super Mario Galaxy 1 and 2?

Great games. What about them?

Nintendo 20 years ago put out OoT and it was impressive for its day. Few companies could put out games that good back then

Now its 2021. Other companies can do what Nintendo does in their sleep. They can create games that arent just fun, but are a technical achievement at levels Nintendo games fail to reach. Were talking about decades of achievement around the industry and youre holding on to good games from 1998.

Its 2021 for fuck sake and Nintendo still cant even create fully voice acted games. Theyre not in the same league as other developers. They went from leading an industry to not being able to even sit at the same table in my eyes.

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Interesting that 'passion' actually means voice acting and technical achievement.

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SwayM posted...

Great games. What about them?

Nintendo 20 years ago put out OoT and it was impressive for its day. Few companies could put out games that good back then

Now its 2021. Other companies can do what Nintendo does in their sleep. They can create games that arent just fun, but are a technical achievement at levels Nintendo games fail to reach. Were talking about decades of achievement around the industry and youre holding on to good games from 1998.

Its 2021 for fuck sake and Nintendo still cant even create fully voice acted games. Theyre not in the same league as other developers. They went from leading an industry to not being able to even sit at the same table in my eyes.

Nintendo can do voice acting I feel they choose not to. Iirc one console they put out was the worst selling that gen but they managed to garner more profit. And it's cause Nintendo can scrape by making cheap but still good games compared to Sony and MS. That and pokemon is probably what's kept them in the game so long against Sony and ms

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I hate how their games are never on sale

Darmik posted...

Interesting that 'passion' actually means voice acting and technical achievement.

Its pretty funny honestly. Other developers can create huge detailed worlds. Hours and hours of content. Really fun, immersive experiences. Technical marvels. Beautiful gorgeous games. Intricate online systems. Interesting characters and compelling stories. And Nintendo hasnt caught up to the voice acting thing that happened some decades ago. Its just one example though friend.

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SwayM posted...

Its pretty funny honestly. Other developers can create huge detailed worlds. Hours and hours of content. Really fun, immersive experiences. Technical marvels. Beautiful gorgeous games. Intricate online systems. Interesting characters and compelling stories. And Nintendo hasnt caught up to the voice acting thing that happened some decades ago. Its just one example though friend.

And yet their games are still more popular overall because their games don't need it. They're still fun.

We've seen this argument against them made for decades. Nintendo just aren't interested in chasing realistic graphics and big budget titles. People cried that Windwaker was kiddy against the competition and yet fast forward 20 years and people are angry that they can't play first party GameCube titles (and when Nintendo bother re-releasing them they are successful) while defending Sony for not bothering with re-releasing their PS2 games.

It'll be the same thing again 20 years from now with Breath of the Wild and Mario Odyssey.

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TC's complaints about the Switch Lite are extraordinarily stupid. Way to completely miss the point of it

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Darmik posted...

They're still fun.

The theyre still fun defence falls short for me when other developers can not only create fun games , but they are pushing the industry forward in every facet off video game creation. While Nintendo actively holds it back.

Theres no defence to a company who cant compete on the same stage anymore. Saying this has been known criticism for decadesmakes the criticism more poignant. You realize that right? If you have decades of time to improve and dontthats not an excuse to be objectively BAD at the thing you do.

Theres no reason why Nintendo cant do a proper online experience. Why elements of their games and user experiences are archaic and and aggravating from a consumer standpoint. Animal Crossing is fun. You know whats also fun? Quality of life improvements and gameplay innovations that any decent developer could do in 2021. But Nintendo cant, and arent interested in doing do because people offer these horseshit free passes like youre doing.

Nintendo doesnt have to create Red Dead Redemption 2. Sure. They can get away with far less effort. We all know they could never even if they tried as hard as they could. But what they could do, is show the world theyre creating games in their wheelhouse that, while being fun, also pushed forward. Instead of constantly lagging behind or not moving at all. Maybe they could get there, but people like you are far too willing to give them a pat on the back for barely trying at all.

You know whats better than waiting years for a developer to grace you with a re-releasing of a classic game? Putting those games as they exist on a store, letting consumers give you a fair price for them, and standardization across all consoles going forward. Microsoft sure figured that out, I dont know about Sony but I imagine their selection is far better than what Nintendo offers on the switch.

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Man, TC, you are literally incapable of ever giving Nintendo credit on anything. No matter what they do, you feel the need to nitpick and criticize every little thing, no matter how small. Pathetic, really.
There are plenty of amazing games on Switch, but you have your head buried so deep in Microsofts rear end, you refuse to acknowledge any of them.

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Blue_Inigo posted...

TC's complaints about the Switch Lite are extraordinarily stupid. Way to completely miss the point of it

How are Nintendo fans unable to comprehend basic shit?

Talk about missing the point. Dear god Dude. Its not that hard. The Switch lite shooting itself in the foot is something Nintendo chose to do when they created it.

Darmik posted...

The Lite is a smaller system. So it would need its own dock.

Like this for example. The dock is just a USB-C sitting in the middle of a cheap plastic housing. And youre telling meinstead of Nintendo just creating a handheld switch that could dock into that portthey would need to create a whole new dock?

Or they just make the handheld a better product.basic shit my dudes

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Cry moar TC. Youre making me laugh.

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TyVulpine posted...

Cry moar TC. Youre making me laugh.

Please stop being so hard on Nintendo mister. They only make billions by not trying very hard. Could you not say anything nice??

lol Im not the one throwing a fit because you cant handle honest criticism of Nintendo. Ive said some nice things about them in this topic btw. But youre seeing what you want to see.

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SwayM posted...

Please stop being so hard on Nintendo mister. They only make billions by not trying very hard. Could you not say anything nice??

lol Im not the one throwing a fit because you cant handle honest criticism of Nintendo. Ive said some nice things about them in this topic btw. But youre seeing what you want to see.

Theres criticism, and theres waaah, Nintendo isnt doing what I demand they do, be exactly like Microsoft! How dare Nintendo do something different! which is what youre doing.

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Joycons dont work lets make a system where theyre attached so you have to send the entire system in to have it repaired.

TyVulpine posted...

Theres criticism, and theres waaah, Nintendo isnt doing what I demand they do, be exactly like Microsoft! How dare Nintendo do something different! which is what youre doing.

Im not even the only one in this topic criticizing Nintendo. I brought up Microsoft once, Ive also been using a Sony game as an example of a game Nintendo is not capable of producing.

All things someone who is at all paying attention could see, and not reacting emotionally and childishly could see.

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SwayM posted...

Im not even the only one in this topic criticizing Nintendo. I brought up Microsoft once, Ive also been using a Sony game as an example of a game Nintendo is not capable of producing.

All things someone who is at all paying attention could see, and not reacting emotionally and childishly could see.

Again, Im not the one childishly whining that Nintendo is doing something different. Seriously, TC. If you dont like what Nintendo is doing, go play something you do like and stop yelling at clouds.

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Payzmaykr posted...

Joycons dont work lets make a system where theyre attached so you have to send the entire system in to have it repaired.

I hear you man. This IMO is a fair criticism but I could see an argument that this making the system cheaperor maybe just a more purpose built handheld?

I can somewhat understand that. I still hold on that its logically moronic too in many ways. Joycons being a thing they already produce en masswhy they couldnt just continue to sell them? Especially when they charge 100 fuckin dollarydoos for them? Its a baffling choice to create a product that doesnt push your accessory line tooI dont quite see the logic there. But lets assume since we have nothing else to go on they just makes the whole system cheaper.

youre still 100% right about it being a inevitable problem when your whole system shits the bed because of cheap ass joycons you cannot replace.

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SwayM posted...

I hear you man. This IMO is a fair criticism but I could see an argument that this making the system cheaperor maybe just a more purpose built handheld?

I can somewhat understand that. It still logically is moronic too in many ways. Joycons being a thing they already produce en masswhy they couldnt just continue to sell them? Especially when they charge 100 fuckin dollarydoos for them? Its a baffling choice to create a product that doesnt push your accessory line tooI dont quite see the logic there. But lets assume since we have nothing else to go on they just makes the whole system cheaper.

youre still 100% right about it being a inevitable problem when your whole system shuts the bed because of cheap ass joycons you cannot replace.

Better than the RROD Microsoft had...

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TyVulpine posted...

Better than the RROD Microsoft had...

Could you please make it less obvious how upset you are by all this criticism of Nintendo?

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SwayM posted...

Could you please make it less obvious how upset you are by all this criticism of Nintendo?

So its okay for you to criticize Nintendo, but not fair when people do the same in return to Microsoft? Double standard much?

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TyVulpine posted...

So its okay for you to criticize Nintendo, but not fair when people do the same in return to Microsoft? Double standard much?

Oh hun. You think I care about that.

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SwayM posted...

Oh hun. You think I care about that.

So you admit you have double standards.
one for Nintendo
one for everyone else.
And people should agree with you why?

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You're blabbing on and on that Nintendo can't make Red Dead Redemption 2. But Sony Rockstar, Microsoft etc. don't know how to make a game like Nintendo either.

I enjoyed Red Dead Redemption 2. But the actual gameplay of it isn't that fun. It's sluggish, slow, missions are extremely linear to the point if you walk away too much you fail etc. If the game didn't have the incredibly impressive visuals, attention to detail and writing what else is really left? I wouldn't want Nintendo to develop a game like this. Nearly everyone else already does.

Sorry if Breath of the Wild not having horse balls that shrink in cold weather is a deal breaker but that isn't who they are.

This doesn't mean everything Nintendo is good. I have criticisms for all three. But you're points are pretty dumb man. There's a reason Nintendo games maintain their value whole nearly everyone else does not. Their games all age well.

SwayM posted...

Like this for example. The dock is just a USB-C sitting in the middle of a cheap plastic housing. And youre telling meinstead of Nintendo just creating a handheld switch that could dock into that portthey would need to create a whole new dock?

Then it would be bigger? And again you're ignoring the video chip and internals are different too. All things done to cut costs.

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SwayM posted...

Putting those games as they exist on a store, letting consumers give you a fair price for them, and standardization across all consoles going forward. Microsoft sure figured that out, I dont know about Sony but I imagine their selection is far better than what Nintendo offers on the switch.

Nope. Just a handful of PS2 games and literally nothing else. No sign of anything else being done or added anytime soon.

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Japanese company paying attention to Japanese consumers who utilize mobile and handheld stuff way more than regular consoles?

How dare they!

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