Poll of the Day > America's Star Olympic Athlete will NOT get the VACCINE stating it's UNSAFE!!!

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22 y/o Top Team USA Swimmer Michael Andrew who is expected to win a medal at the Tokyo Olympics has admitted he will NOT get the COVID-19 vaccine because he DOESN'T trust the side effects after only a year of testing!!

The star athlete will compete in the 50 metre freestyle, 100 metre breaststroke and 200 metre individual medley and told reporters he already got COVID-19 months prior and hasn't been vaccinatd nor will he EVER get the vaccine

He said "My reason behind it is i, for one, it was kind of a last moment, i didn't want to put anything in my body that i didn't know how i would potentially react to. As an athlete on the elite level, everything we do is very calculated. For me in the training cycle, especially leading up to the trials, i didn't want to risk any days out because we do know that there are periods where, getting the vaccine, you have to deal with days off"

Common side effects of the vaccine inclde arm pain and swelling, tiredness, muscle aches, chills, fever and nausea.

Despite being unvaccinated, he plans to stay with the rest of the US swimming team in the Olympic Village in Tokyo. They say they feel safe thansk to their team's strict protocls that involve daily testing and social distancing and mask wearing

He won 4 gold medals in 2018 and the Worlds and is likely going to win gold in Tokyo.

When asked about getting it after the olympics, he simply said "I personally do not plan on getting it in the future either. We'll see as things go forward but right now it's too early to get this vaccine"

If he tests positive at the Olympics he could be DISQUALIFIED from competing as vaccines are not mandatory but with Japan still dealing with the pandemic as only 14% of the population is vaccinated and any despite calls to cancel the olympics, any athlete who tests positive could be DQ'd..

Tokyo Olympics begins on July 23rd when the first big event where the world comes together begins..

Do you think he's making a mistake?

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Just because you sports good, doesn't mean you brain good.

He just has to hope that the precautions taken by the IOC and the Japanese government are sufficient to protect him (RIP Mikey Drew, April 1999 - August 2021)

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He might have a point if, like, the vaccine came out like 2~3 days before the Olympics... but it's been available for a couple months now, definitely more than enough time to weather any typical side effects

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Lol Olympic athletes inject so many things into their bodies that are less regulated than the covid vaccine

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I think I heard as long as you test negative to a covid test, you can compete

Its probably not the best idea since Tokyo recently went into a state of emergency over the china bat fever, but like most places in the world, its all up to the individual whether they want the shot or not

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mrduckbear posted...

For me in the training cycle, especially leading up to the trials, i didn't want to risk any days out because we do know that there are periods where, getting the vaccine, you have to deal with days off"

Honestly, I can respect this as a reason to avoid getting the shot (at least until after the Olympics). This close to the competition, Olympic athletes are in a position where taking a couple unplanned days off from training (especially days off that will consist mostly of lying around doing nothing) could completely undermine everything they've done to prepare over the last five years, and there's a good chance getting the shot (mostly the second one, but also possibly the first) will force them to do that. It's certainly suboptimal, public health-wise, but Olympians are such a tiny portion of the population that I don't think that's overly consequential.

They should, however, definitely be isolating for two weeks upon returning to their home countries if they aren't vaccinated. This is very high-risk travel.

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mrduckbear posted...

i didn't want to put anything in my body that i didn't know how i would potentially react to.

but yet he seems fine with actuallly getting covid, which we REALLY dont know how people will react to

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Two athletes, one coach, and an international member of the IOC have all tested positive and are in isolation. The Athletes and coach are part of the South African football team, who are all in isolation, the IOC member is from South Korea.

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Considering the circumstances where the vaccine might interfere with his performance in this Olympics (even in the case of losing a few days of training which can have an impact), the hesitation makes sense. Even in general where his body is his career (and where in theory he should be more able to recover from it anyway), I can understand him having more concerns than other people.

I imagine he's being quarantined, tested, etc, where there's an overabundance of caution being used.

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TheSlinja posted...

but yet he seems fine with actuallly getting covid, which we REALLY dont know how people will react to

He already had it.

I don't want corona, but I also don't wanna die of any vaccine side effects. The question is, which gamble is safer to take?

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ItsKaljinyuTime posted...

I don't want corona, but I also don't wanna die of any vaccine side effects. The question is, which gamble is safer to take?

The risk of thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome after receiving the Janssen vaccine is 7 per 1 million women aged 18-49. It's even rarer for men and women over 50. Keep in mind this is a serious but not necessarily fatal complication.

The mortality rate for COVID-19 is 1.8% in the US, and 2.4% in the UK. That means 18 out of every 1000 US patients will die from the disease.

18,000 people out of 1 million infected will die from COVID in the US, while just 7 out of 1 million will experience a potentially serious side effect from the vaccine.

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captpackrat posted...

The risk of thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome after receiving the Janssen vaccine is 7 per 1 million women aged 18-49. It's even rarer for men and women over 50. Keep in mind this is a serious but not necessarily fatal complication.

The mortality rate for COVID-19 is 1.8% in the US, and 2.4% in the UK. That means 18 out of every 1000 US patients will die from the disease.

18,000 people out of 1 million infected will die from COVID in the US, while just 7 out of 1 million will experience a potentially serious side effect from the vaccine.

Thrombosis? No, that is no small deal. I'm not gonna look at that and say "Psh, it's just thrombosis."

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I imagine he has elite physician and medical personal consulting him. I'm sure he can be confident in his decision. Vaccine. lol Nope.

ItsKaljinyuTime posted...

Thrombosis? No, that is no small deal. I'm not gonna look at that and say "Psh, it's just thrombosis."

Even if it were instantly fatal, that's still just 0.0007% mortality vs 1.8% mortality from COVID (or higher, depending on your country). And that doesn't include the myriad possible complications from COVID, like thrombosis, ARDS, atrial fibrillation, heart failure, liver injury, stroke, encephalitis, fungal infections, and Long COVID, which afflicts 10-20% of COVID patients.

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captpackrat posted...

Even if it were instantly fatal, that's still just 0.0007% mortality vs 1.8% mortality from COVID (or higher, depending on your country). And that doesn't include the myriad possible complications from COVID, like thrombosis, ARDS, atrial fibrillation, heart failure, liver injury, stroke, encephalitis, fungal infections, and Long COVID, which afflicts 10-20% of COVID patients.

But can I avoid corona? If I get the vaccine, that's it, I'm exposed to the vaccine. Now it's a matter of whether or not I suffer the complications.

But corona, I might dodge that entirely for the rest of my life. I've dodged it so far, despite a number of scares I always test negative. Maybe I just won't catch it.

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mrduckbear posted...

didn't want to put anything in my body that i didn't know how i would potentially react to

Like, say, a deadly respiratory virus?

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ItsKaljinyuTime posted...

But can I avoid corona? If I get the vaccine, that's it, I'm exposed to the vaccine. Now it's a matter of whether or not I suffer the complications.

But corona, I might dodge that entirely for the rest of my life. I've dodged it so far, despite a number of scares I always test negative. Maybe I just won't catch it.

For further context, ~0.15% of the US population has been killed by Covid. Obviously, given the variation in risk level between different demographics, treating that as a blanket "chance for every American to die of Covid" isn't altogether accurate, but that's still a 200-fold difference (and that's pretending that 0.0007% is actually a mortality rate and not just morbidity).

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adjl posted...

For further context, ~0.15% of the US population has been killed by Covid. Obviously, given the variation in risk level between different demographics, treating that as a blanket "chance for every American to die of Covid" isn't altogether accurate, but that's still a 200-fold difference (and that's pretending that 0.0007% is actually a mortality rate and not just morbidity).

That's assuming I catch the virus. I have a... let's call it "high" chance of dying if I catch corona. But how likely am I to catch corona? I haven't caught it yet.

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ItsKaljinyuTime posted...

That's assuming I catch the virus.

That's assuming you exist in America. That 0.15% is the (approximate) chance of catching the virus and dying of it.

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If you are a pro athlete why would you even talk about this? Just say you don't want to talk about your medical history and leave it at that

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Lokarin posted...

He might have a point if, like, the vaccine came out like 2~3 days before the Olympics... but it's been available for a couple months now, definitely more than enough time to weather any typical side effects

Beyond that there were people in initial test batches that had it much earlier on, like 5ish months after Covid hit the scene in America. People can't grasp that a lot of why Vaccines take forever to get through is due to mostly government red tape, the Covid one was fast tracked but they still required all the hoops to jump through.

We also had previous work on a Covid vaccine before this became a problem in America that helped speed this along.

Nobody goes to athletes for their brains.
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Star athlete? Hes not even the most famous swimmer and probably doesnt rank in the top ten for US Olympic athletes in popularity.

No idea why you would label him Americas Star Athlete.

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kangolcone posted...

Star athlete? Hes not even the most famous swimmer and probably doesnt rank in the top ten for US Olympic athletes in popularity.

No idea why you would label him Americas Star Athlete.

Star means best, not the most popular. I have no idea if he's the best.
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Revelation34 posted...

Star means best, not the most popular. I have no idea if he's the best.

I disagree with your assertion. Star power is a by product of both skill and popularity. The biggest stars in music and cinema are not necessarily the best at their craft. Moreover, in an individual sport, theres multiple examples where the biggest star isnt the best, Conor McGregor and Tiger Woods being prime examples.

Secondly, he isnt the most successful swimmer. This is actually his first Olympics meaning both multiple swimmers and athletes from other sports have better resumes.

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Revelation34 posted...

Star means best, not the most popular. I have no idea if he's the best.

https://www.espn.com/olympics/story/_/id/31813651/olympics-2021-team-usa-athletes-watch-tokyo

Didnt even make this list of 25 athletes to watch.

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kangolcone posted...

I disagree with your assertion. Star power is a by product of both skill and popularity. The biggest stars in music and cinema are not necessarily the best at their craft. Moreover, in an individual sport, theres multiple examples where the biggest star isnt the best, Conor McGregor and Tiger Woods being prime examples.

Secondly, he isnt the most successful swimmer. This is actually his first Olympics meaning both multiple swimmers and athletes from other sports have better resumes.

Are you kidding? Tiger Woods at his peak was pretty much the greatest golfer to ever play the game.

Monopoman posted...

Are you kidding? Tiger Woods at his peak was pretty much the greatest golfer to ever play the game.

Which was more than a decade ago and hes still the biggest star in golf thus proving my point.

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adjl posted...

That's assuming you exist in America. That 0.15% is the (approximate) chance of catching the virus and dying of it.

What are the chances of just catching it?

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ItsKaljinyuTime posted...

What are the chances of just catching it?

Over time? 100%

For specific situations it is otherwise dependent on multiple factors such as mask wearing and the ability of the air you are in to circulate and refresh with clean air.

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KodyKeir posted...

Over time? 100%

For specific situations it is otherwise dependent on multiple factors such as mask wearing and the ability of the air you are in to circulate and refresh with clean air.

But if the chances of catching it are 100%, isn't that 0.15% rate just for mortality?

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ItsKaljinyuTime posted...

isn't that 0.15% rate just for mortality?

that's just the percent of the population in the US that has died so far, and may even be an under reported figure, once excess deaths have been modelled in, that number will be higher.


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KodyKeir posted...

that's just the percent of the population in the US that has died so far, and may even be an under reported figure, once excess deaths have been modelled in, that number will be higher.

Is this directly from the virus? Or is it "coronavirus-related?" Can that even be discerned?

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Why are the bigots always from my country. I am sorry world

Sycophant posted...

Why are the bigots always from my country. I am sorry world

You say that like half of Europe isn't longdicking us for being too soft.

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that's what happens when you name someone "Michael Andrew"

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ItsKaljinyuTime posted...

What are the chances of just catching it?

So far? A little over 10% (35 million cases in 328 million people). Again, an oversimplifcation, but it gets the point across well enough. For further context, that's a little less likely than getting Heads in 3 consecutive coin flips (12.5%).

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ItsKaljinyuTime posted...

That's assuming I catch the virus. I have a... let's call it "high" chance of dying if I catch corona. But how likely am I to catch corona? I haven't caught it yet.

How bout we shoot you and just be done with it? Care for that instead? Honestly all of you Trump dick sucking fuckt**ds deserve it. You're just lucky murder is illegal.

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If you don't get vaccinated, I'd wager the probability that you eventually contract covid is near 100%.

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ItsKaljinyuTime posted...

Is this directly from the virus? Or is it "coronavirus-related?" Can that even be discerned?

Well that is precisely why we have to rely on models for excess deaths, individual jurisdictions made up their own rules regarding what constitutes a death from COVID, and to this day there are still jurisdictions fudging the numbers (if not outright lying about them) so we may never actually know the true cost of this virus in our lifetimes.

I got my second shot (Moderna) last Wednesday, I will have the full protection available to me by next Wednesday. My arm is still a little sore and I have been lethargic, but otherwise I feel fine.

I don't know what they are offering where you live but the mRNA is your best bet, if you are still hesitant about the new technology they try to get a Jensen or AZ shot; thanks to the spread of delta and gamma, this time next year governments will be talking about booster shots, so heads up.

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