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UnfairRepresent
07/14/21 9:30:38 AM
#51:


RedJackson posted...
You sound more religious than anyone actually religious on this board with your posts there lol

In what way?


you sure you arent religious?
Pretty sure

I don't believe in God, or the afterlife, I am against mainstream religion as a concept, oppose the tax exempt status they have and the ability for their insitutions to above the law. And the fact that religious have exasperated and had a negative effect on pretty much every society , war, political issue etc

The Americans who had slaves believed they were doing God's will
The Nazsis believed throwing their fellow man into gas chambers by the millions what God told them to do.
The men who flew into the Two Towers would not have done so unless they believed in God and an afterlife.

You see anti science attitudes and race/gay/trans discrimination rampant in religion to this day. Almost Trump's entire base is aggressively religious and they're the biggest fools America has to offer.

When you say "I reject logic, critical thought, human crafted morality and reason. Instead I believe in the absolute power and divine right of whatever these weirdos tell me was correct when I wasa kid. Also because it is God we have authority over everyone else." bad things happen

And most of the population of the world currently says that.


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RedJackson
07/14/21 9:35:52 AM
#52:


UnfairRepresent posted...
In what way?

UnfairRepresent posted...
Pretty sure

I don't believe in God, or the afterlife, I am against mainstream religion as a concept, oppose the tax exempt status they have and the ability for their insitutions to above the law. And the fact that religious have exasperated and had a negative effect on pretty much every society , war, political issue etc

The Americans who had slaves believed they were doing God's will
The Nazsis believed throwing their fellow man into gas chambers by the millions what God told them to do.
The men who flew into the Two Towers would not have done so unless they believed in God and an afterlife.

You see anti science attitudes and race/gay/trans discrimination rampant in religion to this day. Almost Trump's entire base is aggressively religious and they're the biggest fools America has to offer.

When you say "I reject logic, critical thought, human crafted morality and reason. Instead I believe in the absolute power and divine right of whatever these weirdos tell me was correct when I wasa kid. Also because it is God we have authority over everyone else." bad things happen

And most of the population of the world currently says that.

Sprinkling your thoughts on religion in unrelated matters is exactly what a religious person would do its not an actual topic of contention here, its just something you decided to segue into

sounds religious

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Bitcoin
07/14/21 9:37:40 AM
#53:


creativerealms posted...
I feel that the few detransitioned that exist will end up being weaponized and used to stop people from being transitioned and end up causing more problems. They are rare in already tiny minority.

Yes cases of detransformation are weaponised but I dont think that negates the need to have an honest conversation on the subject. Transitioning can be a very good thing for people but I think reality shows that the whole thing is a lot more nuanced.

For example we need to get to the bottom of why such a large proportion of people who have transformed attempt suicide. If you include those people with those that have detransformed you end up with a not insignificant proportion where transforming hasnt helped.
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UnfairRepresent
07/14/21 9:37:55 AM
#54:


I don't think religion is unrelated to transgenders and specifically the discrimination transgenders face. I think it's exetremely relevant.

You will find enormous overlap between the two, especially the most passionate anti trans issues and the politicians promoting anti-trans laws (or blocking pro ones) as well as their base.

You can't act like religion is irrelevant nor can you claim "Well by bringing that up you're clearly religious too!" that's absurd.

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Shezarr
07/14/21 9:38:23 AM
#55:


Whose alt is #53

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Gwynevere
07/14/21 9:40:13 AM
#56:


Posting Blair White vids


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UnfairRepresent
07/14/21 9:41:33 AM
#57:


Bitcoin posted...
Yes cases of detransformation are weaponised but I dont think that negates the need to have an honest conversation on the subject. Transitioning can be a very good thing for people but I think reality shows that the whole thing is a lot more nuanced.


I agree with this


For example we need to get to the bottom of why such a large proportion of people who have transformed attempt suicide. If you include those people with those that have detransformed you end up with a not insignificant proportion where transforming hasnt helped.
I disagree with this

As I said earlier about the prosecution of homosexuals. Pointing at how high the suicide/depression rates of a group that is systematically hated and disrcrimated agaisnt in life and law by most of the population is more of a condemnation of society than whatever practice you're condemning.

I think transgenders might be too new for statistics but the suicide rates of minorities and homosexuals massively plummet in every place where they get show basic respect.

In Canada simply making GLAAD work with other Youth Groups on intergrated projects massively lowered the suicide rate of teens (gay and straight) across hundreds of schools.

If you're and everyone you know is an asshole to someone all day everyday for decades because they have blue eyes. Then that guy snaps and kills himself, he didn't kill himself because he had blue eyes.

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RedJackson
07/14/21 9:45:15 AM
#58:


UnfairRepresent posted...
I don't think religion is unrelated to transgenders and specifically the discrimination transgenders face. I think it's exetremely relevant.

You will find enormous overlap between the two, especially the most passionate anti trans issues and the politicians promoting anti-trans laws (or blocking pro ones) as well as their base.

You can't act like religion is irrelevant nor can you claim "Well by bringing that up you're clearly religious too!" that's absurd.

If someone else brought up religion Id give them a free pass - but its you, and you always bring up religion instead in every topic lol

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MrMallard
07/14/21 9:47:11 AM
#59:


Is UR double-posting, or has my ignore list conspired to circlejerk each other and bump this thread to 100+ posts?

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Medussa
07/14/21 9:49:24 AM
#60:


oh look. UR still thinks we should care about his opinions on a topic that he refuses to even get to a 101 level of understanding.

please stop responding to him.

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UnfairRepresent
07/14/21 9:50:11 AM
#61:


MrMallard posted...
Is UR double-posting, or has my ignore list conspired to circlejerk each other and bump this thread to 100+ posts?
Lol I'm agreeing with you and you're so far gone you're still talking shit.

RedJackson posted...
If someone else brought up religion Id give them a free pass - but its you, and you always bring up religion instead in every topic lol
If you say so

I can't recall any time I've brought up religion and it's been irrelevant and you're failing to answer basic questions

You still haven't explained how I was being religious and now you're just making more strange claims

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Bitcoin
07/14/21 9:51:46 AM
#62:


UnfairRepresent posted...


As I said earlier about the prosecution of homosexuals. Pointing at how high the suicide/depression rates of a group that is systematically hated and disrcrimated agaisnt in life and law by most of the population is more of a condemnation of society than whatever practice you're condemning

Maybe true but doesnt change the fact that suicide probability goes up once someone transitions. If it were the same rate for transgender people who do and dont transition I would agree with you but that isnt the case. While I would love to see transitioning as a solution (and it is in some cases) it certainly isnt the magic solution some people claim it is.
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Medussa
07/14/21 9:53:43 AM
#63:


Bitcoin posted...
suicide probability goes up once someone transitions.

no it fucking doesn't. stop falling for propaganda. and definitely stop spreading it.

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nfearurspecimn
07/14/21 9:54:24 AM
#64:


Medussa posted...
no it fucking doesn't. stop falling for propaganda. and definitely stop spreading it.
why isn't this topic moddable? it's trolling

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Medussa
07/14/21 9:55:15 AM
#65:


nfearurspecimn posted...
why isn't this topic moddable? it's trolling

seems like a good question for the mod who posted earlier, no?

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UnfairRepresent
07/14/21 9:55:45 AM
#66:


Bitcoin posted...
Maybe true but doesnt change the fact that suicide probability goes up once someone transitions. If it were the same rate for transgender people who do and dont transition I would agree with you but that isnt the case. While I would love to see transitioning as a solution (and it is in some cases) it certainly isnt the magic solution some people claim it is.
I'm interested in these statistics if you have them.

But again I still don't agree that "look how high these suicide and depression rates for these people half the world hates." is much of an argument.

Especially for MtF transgenders. No offense intended but the more masculine looking MtF transgenders face heaps of abuse.

I'm in the UK and people just openly scream and laugh and throw things them at them in the street. It's just accepted that it's okay to do so.

MtF Transgenders who haven't transitioned don't face that abuse and humiliation in public.

That's not an attack on transitioning, it's attack on how horrible these (largely religious) people can be to their fellow man

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MrMallard
07/14/21 9:58:53 AM
#68:


nvm, it was because he quoted UR.

I maintain that you're not gonna get through to them, Medussa, but that's your prerogative.

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COVxy
07/14/21 9:59:30 AM
#69:


Bitcoin posted...
Maybe true but doesnt change the fact that suicide probability goes up once someone transitions.

That's not true.

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Medussa
07/14/21 9:59:34 AM
#70:


MrMallard posted...
I maintain that you're not gonna get through to them, Medussa, but that's your prerogative.

probably one of SEROLIZERs very fine people

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Bitcoin
07/14/21 10:00:54 AM
#71:


Medussa posted...
no it fucking doesn't. stop falling for propaganda. and definitely stop spreading it.

Ive seen several studies that concluded this. Obviously there is no proof its caused by the transitioning itself. It could just be the people who do see transitioning as the only option are just naturally have bigger problems (hence maybe why they feel transitioning is the answer and other transgender people dont).

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Bitcoin
07/14/21 10:02:33 AM
#72:


UnfairRepresent posted...
I'm in the UK and people just openly scream and laugh and throw things them at them in the street. It's just accepted that it's okay to do so.

lmao wtf is this bullcrap.

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UnfairRepresent
07/14/21 10:02:36 AM
#73:


COVxy posted...
That's not true.
Do you have statistics?

I'd like to see them.

Either way I think it's a bad argument. I don't think suicide or depression rates automatically reflects transitioning when transgenders face so much discrimination. In personal life, work and just basic rights.

If transgenders were not discriminated against, those rates would be so much lower. Same as what happenedwith gay people and minorities.

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Shezarr
07/14/21 10:03:33 AM
#74:


Yall remember this next time UR tries to claim hes not a rightwinger

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UnfairRepresent
07/14/21 10:03:50 AM
#75:


Bitcoin posted...


Ive seen several studies that concluded this.
Well can you post them?

Bitcoin posted...
lmao wtf is this bullcrap.

It's true


edit: oh its UR. See hes still going strong. One for the list.

Case and point.

When faced with facts and reason you dislike, you run away.

This is the mindset that causes so much damage

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Medussa
07/14/21 10:03:51 AM
#76:


Bitcoin posted...
Ive seen several studies that concluded this.

no you haven't; they don't exist.

you've, at best, read the misleading conclusions propagandists have put out there to manipulate you. if not entirely made up bullshit.

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UnfairRepresent
07/14/21 10:04:22 AM
#77:


Shezarr posted...
Yall remember this next time UR tries to claim hes not a rightwinger
What have I said that's right wing?

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__aCEr__
07/14/21 10:08:10 AM
#78:


Ah we're getting to the "do your own research" part of the conversation.

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COVxy
07/14/21 10:08:51 AM
#79:


Bitcoin posted...
Ive seen several studies that concluded this. Obviously there is no proof its caused by the transitioning itself. It could just be the people who do see transitioning as the only option are just naturally have bigger problems (hence maybe why they feel transitioning is the answer and other transgender people dont).

Im open minded though if you have evidence to suggest this isn't true Im happy to read it and change my mind.

No, what you referencing is the dutch study that concluded that post-transition suicide rate was still elevated in reference to controls, not that it went up post transition.

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UnfairRepresent
07/14/21 10:11:37 AM
#80:


__aCEr__ posted...
Ah we're getting to the "do your own research" part of the conversation.
What's mildly frustrating to me is neither user is actually posting the research

Just arguing about what it said.

Which is doubly funny because I still don't think suicide rates from a group that's discriminated against displays anything except for how cruel that society is.

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Questionmarktarius
07/14/21 10:11:58 AM
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Here's a much better use of twenty-three and a half minutes:
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Bitcoin
07/14/21 10:13:02 AM
#82:


UnfairRepresent posted...
What's mildly frustrating to me is neither user is actually posting the research

Just arguing about what it said.

Which is doubly funny because I still don't think suicide rates from a group that's discriminated against displays anything except for how cruel that society is.

Its two groups. Those that have transitioned and those that havent.
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COVxy
07/14/21 10:15:07 AM
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UnfairRepresent
07/14/21 10:15:56 AM
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MrMallard
07/14/21 10:19:18 AM
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oh shit, if we're hijacking this thread to post music I have two projects of a similar length I wanna plug:

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https://youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_ky6LDwF_suy_QXh06JX7VXXIX8KQz4cE8

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Questionmarktarius
07/14/21 10:23:28 AM
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MrMallard posted...
oh shit, if we're hijacking this thread to post music
This thread is now about absurdly long songs, that you should be listening to instead of watching random youtube bullshittery

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Blue_Inigo
07/14/21 10:26:23 AM
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So TC decided to take a break from racist shitposting to make anti-trans topics

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RedJackson
07/14/21 10:34:14 AM
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