Current Events > Man, Persona 5 is a big upgrade over P3

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Haven't even gotten to actual dungeon crawling yet but I'm in the castle school and there's like environmental interaction and stuff

Joker is such a stylish MC I love the black color scheme. I like P3 protagonist a lot but the camera shots and stuff let you get much more of a feel for Joker

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Yeah P5 is the only one I can play

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Oh boy keep us updated

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not sure why the music here is a 3 second loop though >_>

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Morgana english VA is so perfect

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Persona 3 shits over it in terms of story.

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P5/R is definitely one of my favorites of all time.

When I rebuild my PC I'm going bananas on P4G

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Alucard188 posted...

Persona 3 shits over it in terms of story.

While I adore the early 2000s memento mori edginess of P3, there isn't THAT MUCH going on in its story. If what you say is true it sets a real low bar for P5.

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Alucard188 posted...

Persona 3 shits over it in terms of story.

Ive only played 3,4 and 5 but I think that 3 has the worst story by far

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Just in graphics and control

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Doe posted...

Morgana english VA is so perfect

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imo

P4>>P5>>P3

I kinda want to replay all of them tho. P4 was the only one that didn't feel like a drag to finish. Tarter Sauce was too fucking long and Mementos was too fucking boring.

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g0ldie posted...

The voice is fine. It's the character that's trash.

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p3 has the best story its not eve debateable

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Turbam posted...

imo

P4>>P5>>P3

I kinda want to replay all of them tho. P4 was the only one that didn't feel like a drag to finish. Tarter Sauce was too fucking long and Mementos was too fucking boring.

Persona 4 is trash

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BignutzisBack posted...

Persona 4 is trash

I've never seen you have a good opinion tbh pal

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Persona 4 sucks

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DeathVelvien posted...

The voice is fine. It's the character that's trash.

idk if it was the voice or the delivery, but whenever I heard Morgana speak, it was really grating, for me.

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havent played P3 in ages actually. besides the shooting themselves to summon their persona part and the social aspect, i dont remember much from that game tbh...

Persona 4 is good but the worst of the modern Persona games for me. 3 > 5 > 4.

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ZevLoveDOOM posted...

havent played P3 in ages actually. besides the shooting themselves to summon their persona part and the social aspect, i dont remember much from that game tbh...

I remember Junpei being the best character in the franchise

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I found P4 to be a garbled mess. There was, potentially, half a good idea in there, but by the time the game attempted to get serious, it did so in what I found to be an overbearing, ham-handed, and clumsy fashion. P4's "theme," such as it exists, was buried so deep in the "narrative" (and I use that word loosely, as I was much more frustrated by P4's pacing than P3's, as P4 had a lot of "nothing/are all of you IDIOTS" happen for far too long) that it felt tacked on. The first third of the game doesn't support the ending and vice versa. Which is why I put quotes on theme: P4's biggest weakness is its internal inconsistency.

P3 had the advantage of coming after a long break in the Persona series, console upgrades, and a clear vision. Before social links were a divisive element in SMT fandom at large, they were an attempt at refining demon negotiation in a way that served the narrative of P3 and enhanced its themes. Everything about P3 -- the "reversed" position your social links start in to their growth to the "upright," the mythology used in establishing the cast, the first scenes (the very start, the first Dark Hour with the man turning into a Shadow, and the first summoning sequence) all the way to the end -- were lean, on-point, and engaging. There's nothing out of place in P3. The narrative is simple, but the game's themes are explored beautifully -- and consistently. Everything builds toward the ending, which is ... devastating, cathartic, and perfect. The foreshadowing wasn't dropped. The themes that had held the game together were fully brought to the surface and developed in the final moments, leaving the player to find their own answers. There was no "yes or no," "x good, y bad" -- the ending to P3 gives the player some credit as a thinking creature and allows said player to answer the questions in their own way.

P4's narrative is much messier, its cast divisive, and its themes... I can deal with the more "hitting the player on the head with the idea" moments in P3 because they're fewer and more organic -- they fold into the story. The ending is well-earned. P4's decision to get serious comes too late, feels oppressive and unnatural, and isn't handled nearly as well or with any subtlety. There's catharsis in having players contemplate mortality. There's much less catharsis in an ending of literal deus ex machina that follows the exact same script as P3's -- that trick only works once if you want emotional payoff vs. "uh, I've seen this before."

P4 had some interesting ideas, but they never cohered and were buried until the abysmal final act. P2 and P3 have flaws and, depending on your views, less fulfilling gameplay, but they were never condescending or haphazard. P4 treated me like an idiot, which is not something I expect from a MegaTen game -- or didn't, when I first played P4. (I do now, alas, with post-P4 titles. Not all the fault is P4's, but I'd say the MegaTen series really went off the rails there and hasn't quite recovered.)

An idea, a theme -- the existence of such doesn't redeem a work. P4 is the Philosophy 101 student or bad art house movie that pontificates about the existence of God and relative morality. If P4 had dropped its aspirations of seriousness, it might have been a better game. Shoving "meaning" into a game that breaks the realistic suspension of disbelief meter doesn't make it thought-provoking. That's what happens in any creative writing seminar in an attempt to pass off a piece as "literary" -- and it's one of the first tricks beaten out of any writer.

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I'm not going to read any of that :V

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Turbam posted...

I'm not going to read any of that :V

I've never seen you have a good opinion tbh pal

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Turbam posted...

imo

P4>>P5>>P3

I agree with that ranking

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I like all 3 of the modern Personas

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I'm playing P5R right now

so good
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Persona 3 is the best. Persona 5 takes a noticeable nosedive after the Castle. Persona 4 started problems that carried over into P5.

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Scarecrow17 posted...

Persona 3 is the best.

Yes

3>5>2>1>4

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