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WingsOfGood
07/22/21 1:39:38 PM
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They are bad with women. They show no signs of getting better. But they are ok and don't bemoan their circumstances or feel it is women's fault. They don't feel like the greatest thing they could ever experience is losing their virginity. They enjoy their life playing videogames, doing hard work grinding at a job, or like traveling the world or building stuff like a game idk. Also they know they feel uncomfortable and women might too so they usually avoid such things and thus don't get into situations that other men would.

What do you make of such people?
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Zargath
07/22/21 1:41:07 PM
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Losers tbh. Or theres something hugely fucking wrong with them.

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ROOTFayth
07/22/21 1:41:37 PM
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I mean what you describe sort of is part of incels, it's involuntary that they're bad with women to the point where they can't close
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The_Korey
07/22/21 1:42:35 PM
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WingsOfGood
07/22/21 1:42:59 PM
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ROOTFayth posted...
I mean what you describe sort of is part of incels, it's involuntary that they're bad with women to the point where they can't close

difference would be one bemoans that they are and claims they tried everything or whatever and takes it out on women, says it is society's fault, blame chads and stuff

these dudes are just into what they like and don't find the allure of women enough to make them care to change who they are

also the difference is one needs to have sex to feel like they are a person while the other could care less
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weekoldhotdog
07/22/21 1:44:02 PM
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You mean the Forrest Gump of virgins? Nah, I feel sorry for them and hope that they can make due before they hit 40.

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WingsOfGood
07/22/21 1:44:25 PM
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weekoldhotdog posted...
You mean the Forrest Gump of virgins? Nah, I feel sorry for them and hope that they can make due before they hit 40.

what if they are actually happy?
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weekoldhotdog
07/22/21 1:45:16 PM
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WingsOfGood posted...
what if they are actually happy?

Happiness and getting your pecker wet are not completely one and the same. I'd hope that they can achieve both, tbh lol

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WingsOfGood
07/22/21 1:45:52 PM
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weekoldhotdog posted...
Happiness and getting your pecker wet are not completely one and the same. I'd hope that they can achieve both, tbh lol

if having sex is not important to happiness then why do you feel sorry for them?
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doomcrusader
07/22/21 1:46:00 PM
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Most of that is a lack of confidence. The solution is to put yourself out there more. You'll probably have a lot of cringe moments, but you learn from them.

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WingsOfGood
07/22/21 1:46:56 PM
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doomcrusader posted...
Most of that is a lack of confidence. The solution is to put yourself out there more. You'll probably have a lot of cringe moments, but you learn from them.

I disagree in this case. Instead it is a lack of interest.
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weekoldhotdog
07/22/21 1:48:13 PM
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WingsOfGood posted...
if having sex is not important to happiness then why do you feel sorry for them?

Did you even read what I wrote or were you too busy thinking of a response? I said that they are not "completely one and the same" and you went and made it happiness and sex are not mutually important to each other even though that's not what I said at all. Your reading comprehension is negating your ability to get a solid answer to your question.

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WingsOfGood
07/22/21 1:49:06 PM
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weekoldhotdog posted...
Did you even read what I wrote or were you too busy thinking of a response? I said that they are not "completely one and the same" and you went and made it happiness and sex are not mutually important to each other even though that's not what I said at all. Your reading comprehension is negating your ability to get a solid answer to your question.

Ok bro, I really don't care that much.
Have a good day.
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doomcrusader
07/22/21 1:51:22 PM
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WingsOfGood posted...
I disagree in this case. Instead it is a lack of interest.

I've got a friend like that. He's a good person with a good job, but has said he's not interested in women right now, and just having time for himself and saving money instead.

That's fine, but you also put yourself at more of a disadvantage when you do finally want a relationship. Better to get at least some experience early, if even for only a short term.

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WingsOfGood
07/22/21 1:51:22 PM
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Funnily enough if Skykunno is as he says a virgin, then he is prime example of this.

Though I guess in theory he is "good with women" just because most of his friends appear to be women. But I would say when it comes to shooting his shot, he is not actually good with them as it appears he is great at being a friend but not at anything more.

But he enjoys playing games all day making millions of dollars and seems happy.
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weekoldhotdog
07/22/21 1:53:55 PM
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WingsOfGood posted...
Ok bro, I really don't care that much.
Have a good day.

You'll never get the answer to your question with that attitude. But if you're happy with your decision, than I guess I shouldn't pity you! c wut i did thar

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WingsOfGood
07/22/21 1:56:37 PM
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doomcrusader posted...
I've got a friend like that. He's a good person with a good job, but has said he's not interested in women right now, and just having time for himself and saving money instead.

That's fine, but you also put yourself at more of a disadvantage when you do finally want a relationship. Better to get at least some experience early, if even for only a short term.

Yep.
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smoke_break
07/22/21 2:05:50 PM
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If it works for them and they aren't hurting anyone, there isn't any reason for me to care.

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NecroFoul99
07/22/21 2:06:31 PM
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WingsOfGood posted...
They are bad with women. They show no signs of getting better. But they are ok and don't bemoan their circumstances or feel it is women's fault. They don't feel like the greatest thing they could ever experience is losing their virginity. They enjoy their life playing videogames, doing hard work grinding at a job, or like traveling the world or building stuff like a game idk. Also they know they feel uncomfortable and women might too so they usually avoid such things and thus don't get into situations that other men would.

What do you make of such people?
I dunno. I don't spin my wheels projecting a whole lot.

I do know this; if a person says, "I'm depressed", then it's very likely I won't be able to guess as to why. Same with this.

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WingsOfGood
07/22/21 2:07:37 PM
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NecroFoul99 posted...
I dunno. I don't spin my wheels projecting a whole lot.

Are you such a virgin and upset about these claims?
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NecroFoul99
07/22/21 2:08:05 PM
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WingsOfGood posted...
Are you such a virgin and upset about these claims?
No, I'm not a virgin. Lost my virginity, I dunno, maybe 40 years ago.

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weekoldhotdog
07/22/21 2:08:15 PM
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WingsOfGood posted...
Are you such a virgin and upset about these claims?


Is this a form of reverse-projection?

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WingsOfGood
07/22/21 2:09:08 PM
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NecroFoul99 posted...
WingsOfGood posted...
No, I'm not a virgin. Lost my virginity, I dunno, maybe 40 years ago.

Ok?
As other users have said, they know dudes like I described in the op.
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Turbam
07/22/21 2:09:47 PM
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No opinion

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MrNintendo1213
07/22/21 2:10:20 PM
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What about if they don't have the happy on their own part? What if someone is depressed and afraid of talking to almost anyone to the point of freezing up entirely in any situation that is remotely uncomfortable? They still don't blame women they just have a very strong feeling that they aren't allowed to even try.

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bsp77
07/22/21 2:10:45 PM
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You are describing one of my closest friends

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WingsOfGood
07/22/21 2:11:27 PM
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MrNintendo1213 posted...
hey just have a very strong feeling that they aren't allowed to even try.

Who is not allowing them?

If you mean like having an actual social anxiety disorder, that is something to go to psychologist about.
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MrNintendo1213
07/22/21 2:13:58 PM
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WingsOfGood posted...
Who is not allowing them?

If you mean like having an actual social anxiety disorder, that is something to go to psychologist about.
What if they did and all they ever told them was to just try even if it feels like they literally can't try? Drugs don't help either. They are me if that wasn't obvious.

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WingsOfGood
07/22/21 2:15:06 PM
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MrNintendo1213 posted...
What if they did and all they ever told them was to just try even if it feels like they literally can't try? Drugs don't help either. They are me if that wasn't obvious.

Unfortunately that is life.
Some people get cancer. Some people have other diseases they cannot fix.
You got the social anxiety disorder.
But you still enjoy yourself with things right?
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weekoldhotdog
07/22/21 2:15:54 PM
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WingsOfGood posted...
Unfortunately that is life.
Some people get cancer. Some people have other diseases they cannot fix.
You got the social anxiety disorder.
But you still enjoy yourself with things right?

I got a 6th toe, what does that make me?

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Mareen
07/22/21 2:19:23 PM
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MrNintendo1213
07/22/21 2:21:14 PM
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WingsOfGood posted...
Unfortunately that is life.
Some people get cancer. Some people have other diseases they cannot fix.
You got the social anxiety disorder.
But you still enjoy yourself with things right?

I enjoy my bowl of soup or a sandwich each day. And Ill play magic arena and watch a few youtube videos. A few hours of mild enjoyment and a lot more feeling stuck in place. Maybe 2 hours total Im not laying or sitting on my bed

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WingsOfGood
07/22/21 2:23:41 PM
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MrNintendo1213 posted...
and a lot more feeling stuck in place

Best advice is to enjoy what you have. If indeed you cannot help it to get the thing that is making you unhappy for not having, just accept how you are and move forward. If indeed you cannot improve.

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bsp77
07/22/21 2:24:11 PM
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I have seen people say "vocel" for those who aren't trying and don't care. But there are also those who are trying and do care, but I still wouldn't label as an incel, like my friend.

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MrNintendo1213
07/22/21 2:30:34 PM
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WingsOfGood posted...
Best advice is to enjoy what you have. If indeed you cannot help it to get the thing that is making you unhappy for not having, just accept how you are and move forward. If indeed you cannot improve.

The thing is even after accepting it that doesn't make me feel any better. I accepted it many years ago but i'm still scared and depressed every day.

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OffTempo
07/22/21 2:32:01 PM
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I don't have a take on that. They sound like normal people who just don't have sex. Theres loads of people who don't have sex and lead normal lives. I wouldn't view them any differently.

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NecroFoul99
07/22/21 2:45:00 PM
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WingsOfGood posted...
Ok?
As other users have said, they know dudes like I described in the op.
You asked, so I answered.

WingsOfGood posted...
Are you such a virgin and upset about these claims?
What claims? You mean all the stuff you projected as the reasons these people are the way they are? There are millions of people who are adult virgins and even more variables as to why...are they all just like what you described? One issue and one solution fits all? That was my point.

Could be they were beaten down by an overbearing mother for their entire youth. Could be they have a deformity they don't share. Could be they hate themselves because they think they're too ugly. Maybe they're not sure of their sexual identity. Could be they're afraid of the opposite sex because they were molested for years by people of the same sex. Maybe they're just A-sexual and have no interest. Maybe they are just afraid of rejection or their performance once it happens. There are so many variables. So many life experiences that can shape someone.

I've learned to not presume, so when I saw your detailed description of a demographic you seemingly don't belong to...I said I don't spin my wheels projecting. Not trying to beat you up, just responding truthfully.

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devilminion
07/22/21 2:45:44 PM
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Honestly, I'd say that person would be asexual, or at least close to it. If you have no interest in sex, and are happy with their life as is, don't sweat other people's opinions. There are far too many people out there who view sex as some ultimate necessity and can't comprehend that there are others who are indifferent about it.

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RAAAWWWRRR
07/22/21 2:46:32 PM
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25 year old virgin here.

I honestly don't even care at all. It's crazy because I was younger, I always think about it. But now as i'm getting older, I came to realize that... it's not even a huge thing to worry about at all (in my opinion). I mean.. I'm living great atm. I don't feel "doomed" just because I didn't get any pussy.

It's something that i don't focus on compared to most men who usually do nowadays. Imo, it's not healthy at all to think about it. It can really make some men's mind being really fucked up and well... now incels are a thing.

Heck I remember chatting with some men who just ONLY focus on getting laid. I swear they are just depressed mofos.

Just find a hobby or something. I have TONS of hobbies which occupies my fun time.


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KILBOTz
07/22/21 2:52:21 PM
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i dont know any IRL that admit to it. but apparently ~30% of men under 30 are virgins.

i guess i think of them largely as a product of their environment?

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WingsOfGood
07/22/21 3:29:26 PM
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metallica846 posted...
Militant Incels vs Regular Incels I guess

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Incel means involunatry
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ManaYuka
07/22/21 9:15:41 PM
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Depends on the area.

If your in a big city like I am now in LA and not getting girls, I understand. Hard out here when your competing with blue checks, athletes, actors, etc. Some guys go years without getting sex.

If your in a small town like I was in Greeley 7 years back, I was getting girls damn near every week. All you gotta do is Hussle.

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One_Day_Remains
07/22/21 9:21:36 PM
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Zargath posted...
Losers tbh. Or theres something hugely fucking wrong with them.


Sounds like there's something hugely wrong with you, actually.
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Graycap
07/22/21 10:15:26 PM
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Zargath posted...
Losers tbh. Or theres something hugely fucking wrong with them.

And then people wonder why they say "fuck it" and go full incel. >_>
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Umbreon
07/22/21 10:17:51 PM
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Long as they aren't hurting anyone, I don't see the issue.

I'm only interested in my sex life.


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dj1200
07/22/21 10:20:48 PM
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I don't care about them one way or another.

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