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Ogurisama
08/03/21 11:02:20 PM
#1:


Grotle vs Durant - Results (28 votes)
Grotle
53.57% (15 votes)
15
Durant
46.43% (13 votes)
13
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Match 1 - Tauros 30 vs Dewpider 7
Match 2 - Mismagius 12 vs Emboar 13
Match 3 - Zigzagoon 11 vs Gloom 22
Match 4 - Machop 15 vs Flabebe 12

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BlackScythe0
08/03/21 11:12:03 PM
#2:


This is a easy one. Durant has higher stats and deals super effective stab.
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KodyKeir
08/03/21 11:12:51 PM
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My poor boy Grotle, going to be eaten by a metal ant.

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BlackScythe0
08/03/21 11:21:19 PM
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lol someone picked grotle. How?

Like literally it can't do anything to it, the move pool of grotle is so narrow literally the only way it can do damage is by bite or crunch and durant has fairly high defense. Durant takes 1/4 damage from grass and 1/2 damage from normal. It's even immune to poison so grotle can't try to stall with toxic and leech seed.

I can't see any scenario where grotle wins.
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KodyKeir
08/03/21 11:33:25 PM
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BlackScythe0 posted...
lol someone picked grotle. How?

BlackScythe0 posted...
I can't see any scenario where grotle wins.

Not to mention Durant's base speed means Grotle is just going to sit there and take a OHKO

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DiduXD
08/04/21 12:34:10 AM
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Grotle gets destroyed by Durant easily.
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trodi_911
08/04/21 1:05:18 AM
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BlackScythe0 posted...
lol someone picked grotle. How?

Like literally it can't do anything to it, the move pool of grotle is so narrow literally the only way it can do damage is by bite or crunch and durant has fairly high defense. Durant takes 1/4 damage from grass and 1/2 damage from normal. It's even immune to poison so grotle can't try to stall with toxic and leech seed.

I can't see any scenario where grotle wins.
While I didn't vote for Grotle, I do like playing Devil's Advocate to see both sides of the coin.

Grotle, like every other Pokemon, has access to Hidden Power which can be Fire. Also that Durant has Hustle as it's ability so Durant only has an 80% chance to hit with X-Scissor. Grotle also only has a ~20% chance to get OHKO'd by X-Scissor if it has full Defense and HP EVs, Bold nature and Eviolite and Durant has Hustle and Choice Band meaning that Grotle has a decent chance to live for 2 turns which it needs to be able to KO Durant with Hidden Power.

That being said, Durant can always run Swarm instead of Hustle and to be guaranteed a 2HKO and not have to worry about Hustle's accuracy drop.

Also while Durant can get First Impression which would ups it's chance of a OHKO to ~80%, Grotle can just use Protect on it's first turn and First Impression becomes useless.

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KodyKeir
08/04/21 1:21:29 AM
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trodi_911 posted...
While I didn't vote for Grotle, I do like playing Devil's Advocate to see both sides of the coin.


Depending on the generation, Hidden Power is either useless or not powerful enough to OHKO, (Hidden Power cannot be used in Gen VIII could vary in power from 30 to 70 up to Gen V and was set to 60 from Gen VI on) Grotle could use Protect to delay a turn, but with those speed stats would still have to be able to tank two super effective STAB attacks to get a chance to hit twice, and would need to KO on the second hit.

Grotle is my boy, but is nothing more then a quick meal to Durant.

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BlackScythe0
08/04/21 2:20:48 AM
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trodi_911 posted...
While I didn't vote for Grotle, I do like playing Devil's Advocate to see both sides of the coin.

Grotle, like every other Pokemon, has access to Hidden Power which can be Fire. Also that Durant has Hustle as it's ability so Durant only has an 80% chance to hit with X-Scissor. Grotle also only has a ~20% chance to get OHKO'd by X-Scissor if it has full Defense and HP EVs, Bold nature and Eviolite and Durant has Hustle and Choice Band meaning that Grotle has a decent chance to live for 2 turns which it needs to be able to KO Durant with Hidden Power.

That being said, Durant can always run Swarm instead of Hustle and to be guaranteed a 2HKO and not have to worry about Hustle's accuracy drop.

Also while Durant can get First Impression which would ups it's chance of a OHKO to ~80%, Grotle can just use Protect on it's first turn and First Impression becomes useless.

Straight up getting into super advanced stuff like evs and all that way beyond anything I'm into. So the best I can do here is just in my mind imagine "sure there are scenarios where it can win, but in 99% of other scenarios it loses"

Like if you gave 2 ai trainers the pokemon and had them battle I'm confident in saying Durant wins every time unless it somehow just spams non damaging moves.
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Ogurisama
08/04/21 4:37:34 PM
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KodyKeir
08/05/21 1:43:47 AM
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Seriously, who are these people picking Grotle? Have they not played a pokemon game before?

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Ogurisama
08/05/21 1:59:20 AM
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EvilMegas
08/05/21 6:05:33 AM
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BlackScythe0 posted...
This is a easy one. Durant has higher stats and deals super effective stab.


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Krazy_Kirby
08/05/21 9:02:54 AM
#14:


turtwig is my favorite grass starter. voted grotle
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BlackScythe0
08/05/21 12:44:18 PM
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Krazy_Kirby posted...
turtwig is my favorite grass starter. voted grotle

I understood the popularity contest with Machop, but not really here. Turtwig is cool, Torterra is cool... not so much Grotle especially when it really can't do anything in this match.
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Ogurisama
08/05/21 3:16:00 PM
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EvilMegas
08/05/21 3:17:39 PM
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Please change the title to make it more clear.

What should we be voting on? Popularity or Battlewise.

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Ogurisama
08/05/21 3:20:30 PM
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EvilMegas posted...
Please change the title to make it more clear.

What should we be voting on? Popularity or Battlewise.
1v1 makes it sound like a battle imo, but i will make it more clear for the 6th one

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EvilMegas
08/05/21 3:22:37 PM
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I understood it, but there's a lot of confusion lol

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TheSlinja
08/05/21 4:51:32 PM
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who tfi likes grotle yuck
like i can understand turtwig but grotle????

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Kimbos_Egg
08/05/21 5:13:23 PM
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durant is dogshit. He'd easily be beaten.

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Kimbos_Egg
08/05/21 5:15:33 PM
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seriously. its worthless. its stats suck, its movepool is limited and lol its ability. Its hidden ability is truant. The one thing that makes slaking shitty instead of broken.

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KodyKeir
08/05/21 5:28:26 PM
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Kimbos_Egg posted...
its stats suck, its movepool is limited

The only place where Grotle beats out Durant on stats is in Sp Atk and Sp Def and only just; so by your metric Grotle is even worse the Durant.

Kimbos_Egg posted...
He'd easily be beaten.

It must be fun in your reality.

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EvilMegas
08/05/21 5:54:59 PM
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Don't mind him, he can't pokemon.

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KodyKeir
08/05/21 10:11:09 PM
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lot of people voting with their heart on this one.

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Ogurisama
08/05/21 10:13:47 PM
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LinkPizza
08/05/21 10:14:39 PM
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Oh, my. What an outcome we have here...
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Krazy_Kirby
08/05/21 10:23:26 PM
#28:


BlackScythe0 posted...


I understood the popularity contest with Machop, but not really here. Turtwig is cool, Torterra is cool... not so much Grotle especially when it really can't do anything in this match.


I like grotle more than torterra. torterra should have had the tree be in the middle... it's not like having it to the side suddenly made it different than venasaur.
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Krazy_Kirby
08/05/21 10:25:07 PM
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EvilMegas posted...
Don't mind him, he can't pokemon.


lol...

reminder that this guy spent several hours grinding, and using all the xp items they give you in sw/sh... then complained the game was at fault for letting him get that strong.
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Krazy_Kirby
08/05/21 10:26:12 PM
#30:


TheSlinja posted...
who tfi likes grotle yuck
like i can understand turtwig but grotle????


durant is just a metal ant.
quite boring
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BlackScythe0
08/06/21 12:48:45 AM
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So at this point it's obvious it isn't about who would win but just a popularity contest yea? The result here is just objectively wrong if it's about who would win a battle.
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KodyKeir
08/06/21 12:55:23 AM
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BlackScythe0 posted...
The result here is just objectively wrong if it's about who would win a battle.

That extra day really helped Grotle get the edge.

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LinkPizza
08/06/21 3:42:50 AM
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BlackScythe0 posted...
So at this point it's obvious it isn't about who would win but just a popularity contest yea? The result here is just objectively wrong if it's about who would win a battle.

Technically, if Grotle was a higher level, I guess it could have won in the game. I use "The wrong Pokemon" enough to know that sometimes, a little extra leveling helps...
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Kimbos_Egg
08/06/21 4:42:02 AM
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Krazy_Kirby posted...
lol...

reminder that this guy spent several hours grinding, and using all the xp items they give you in sw/sh... then complained the game was at fault for letting him get that strong.
grinding? I was literally catching pokemon. And hilarious that you're saying that to bean, who also did that, but okay. Clearly its me, and sword and shield is entirely balanced, and not a complete fucking joke.

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EvilMegas
08/06/21 6:04:41 AM
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Don't mind him, kimbo. He's a true downer

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Kimbos_Egg
08/06/21 7:53:49 AM
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and extremely out of touch.

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Kimbos_Egg
08/06/21 7:56:15 AM
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also @EvilMegas

download the back 4 blood beta. you need to preorder it on amazon for free though

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EvilMegas
08/06/21 9:41:59 AM
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Ughhhhhhhbbh

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Kimbos_Egg
08/06/21 10:19:28 AM
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we're playing right now

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