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Evol 08/06/21 10:46:11 AM #1:	Lil Nas X's defiant pride is essential to hip-hop -- and the DaBaby debacle is one reason why Lil Nas X, the 22-year-old juggernaut known by most for "Old Town Road," is in prison. He's in the shower, naked -- save for some humble pixelation -- and twerking, surrounded by eight male backup dancers. And he seems to be having the time of his life. It's the most provocative moment of the video for the music wunderkind's latest hit single, "Industry Baby," a song that chronicles his rise to the top and raises a giddy middle finger to his naysayers. The video provoked extreme reactions: some loved it for its catchy, trumpet-heavy tune and the focus on a smirking and glistening Lil Nas X. But others were outraged by the gay, Grammy Award-winning pop star for offending them with the video's homoeroticism. Homophobic backlash erupted on social media -- and it didn't stop there. In the same week, rapper DaBaby was recorded insulting gay men and sharing misinformation about HIV during a performance at the music festival Rolling Loud. DaBaby's comments evoked an immediate, negative response, with artists like Dua Lipa, Madonna and Elton John chiming in about the inaccuracy and bigotry of his rant. DaBaby didn't mention Lil Nas X, but rappers including T.I. and Boosie were quick to make a connection to the artist and the "Industry Baby" video, with Boosie going as far to use homophobic slurs and threatening to "beat [Lil Nas X's] ass." In the face of it all, Lil Nas X did what he does best: double down and tweet. "i usually don't respond to negativity from my peers. but this had to be said," the rapper said on Twitter, sharing a link to his own music video, letting it speak for itself. Lil Nas X's unapologetic commitment to his identity has become even more essential in the wake of DaBaby's comments. He's proven he's not successful in spite of his sexuality -- he's successful because he embraces it. In the process,he's carving out a new space for the future of LGBTQ musicians to express themselves without limits. Lil Nas X, who came out to the world at 20, stands out because he doesn't hide any element of his identity -- not in his music, his social media presence or his live appearances. There are other contemporary Black musicians who have challenged gender norms or come out while in the spotlight. Frank Ocean sang about a male love interest on his debut album, "Channel Orange," and opened up about his sexuality in 2012. Tyler, the Creator comfortably wears wigs and dresses in performances. Lil Nas X has even thanked them for making it easier for him to be where he is. But pushing boundaries has always been a staple specific to rap, said Matthew Oware, a sociology professor at the University of Richmond who researches race and gender identities in pop culture. This goes back to rappers first including explicit language, content and controversial political statements, as heard in "F* Tha Police" by N.W.A. "There's still that general sentiment that this type of rapper, a gay, male rapper, isn't representative of masculinity," Oware said. "What Lil Nas X is doing by upping the ante is no different than what we see a stereotypical, heterosexual rapper do by upping the ante in their lyrics." In both Lil Nas X and DaBaby's videos, the rappers perform shirtless, sing about sex and speak to their successes. But Lil Nas X receives backlash much more often because of what he represents. "Queerness generally, but Black queerness specifically, still functions as this kind of scarlet letter for many folks who want to work within the media and culture industries," Martin said, adding that rappers are still more likely to cling to hypermasculine values, which makes it hard to accept queer artists. This shows in the way many rappers defended DaBaby's comments, while the backlash largely came from those outside the genre, Martin said. For a long time, Black queerness specifically was used as a joke in media, Martin said, and it's hard for those deeply immersed in the rap world to break out of that mindset. On Monday, DaBaby shared a detailed apology for the hurtful comments and the misinformation about HIV/AIDS. His note suggested he needed people to educate him "with kindness." "As a man who has had to make his own way from very difficult circumstances, having people I know publicly working against me -- knowing that what I needed was education on these topics and guidance -- has been challenging," his apology said. His apology came after music festivals he was supposed to perform at, including Lollapalooza and the Governors Ball Music Festival, canceled his appearances. Austin City Limits, the iHeartRadio Music Festival and Music Midtown canceled his scheduled appearance shortly thereafter. "In this particular moment, we have DaBaby saying these really uninformed things about HIV/AIDS -- but because of all of the work that these other artists were able to do, we get to see this swift takedown of DaBaby," Martin said. Carving out a future for LGBTQ creators in the music industry The ripples of Lil Nas X's success may not immediately lead to a flood of queer, Black creators into the music industry, Martin and Oware said. Lil Nas X is the first star of his kind -- Black, gay, genre-bending, Gen Z and award-winning. In addition to promoting his own projects, Lil Nas X uses social media to uplift others, too, retweeting fans and inspiring followers with his open persona. His music videos and tweets are playful, a perfect example of the kind of humor he has perfected. He's an artist who thrives on provocation and shattering expectations with a complete disregard for the people who don't get it. All those traits, most of all his confidence, are what infuriate his haters -- and endear him to fans. With time, Lil Nas X's success may make more record companies open to signing on more Black, LGBTQ musicians, Martin said. "The issue with being the first is often that the first also becomes the last for a really long time," Martin said. "Black queerness has only very recently become really legible as something other than a punchline. There's a lot of work, of undoing that needs to get done. And Lil Nas X might be part of that undoing." And after "Industry Baby" debuted at number two on the Billboard Hot 100 charts Monday, let the undoing continue. https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/05/entertainment/lil-nas-x-dababy-homophobia-black-queer-rappers-trnd/index.html <cite>Evol posted [p:956830930] in Lil Nas X'... [t:79601252]...</cite> <quote>Lil Nas X's defiant pride is essential to hip-hop -- and the DaBaby debacle is one reason why Lil Nas X, the 22-year-old juggernaut known by most for "Old Town Road," is in prison. He's in the shower, naked -- save for some humble pixelation -- and twerking, surrounded by eight male backup dancers. And he seems to be having the time of his life. It's the most provocative moment of the video for the music wunderkind's latest hit single, "Industry Baby," a song that chronicles his rise to the top and raises a giddy middle finger to his naysayers. The video provoked extreme reactions: some loved it for its catchy, trumpet-heavy tune and the focus on a smirking and glistening Lil Nas X. But others were outraged by the gay, Grammy Award-winning pop star for offending them with the video's homoeroticism. Homophobic backlash erupted on social media -- and it didn't stop there. In the same week, rapper DaBaby was recorded insulting gay men and sharing misinformation about HIV during a performance at the music festival Rolling Loud. DaBaby's comments evoked an immediate, negative response, with artists like Dua Lipa, Madonna and Elton John chiming in about the inaccuracy and bigotry of his rant. DaBaby didn't mention Lil Nas X, but rappers including T.I. and Boosie were quick to make a connection to the artist and the "Industry Baby" video, with Boosie going as far to use homophobic slurs and threatening to "beat [Lil Nas X's] ass." In the face of it all, Lil Nas X did what he does best: double down and tweet. "i usually don't respond to negativity from my peers. but this had to be said," the rapper said on Twitter, sharing a link to his own music video, letting it speak for itself. Lil Nas X's unapologetic commitment to his identity has become even more essential in the wake of DaBaby's comments. He's proven he's not successful in spite of his sexuality -- he's successful because he embraces it. In the process,he's carving out a new space for the future of LGBTQ musicians to express themselves without limits. Lil Nas X, who came out to the world at 20, stands out because he doesn't hide any element of his identity -- not in his music, his social media presence or his live appearances. There are other contemporary Black musicians who have challenged gender norms or come out while in the spotlight. Frank Ocean sang about a male love interest on his debut album, "Channel Orange," and opened up about his sexuality in 2012. Tyler, the Creator comfortably wears wigs and dresses in performances. Lil Nas X has even thanked them for making it easier for him to be where he is. But pushing boundaries has always been a staple specific to rap, said Matthew Oware, a sociology professor at the University of Richmond who researches race and gender identities in pop culture. This goes back to rappers first including explicit language, content and controversial political statements, as heard in "F* Tha Police" by N.W.A. "There's still that general sentiment that this type of rapper, a gay, male rapper, isn't representative of masculinity," Oware said. "What Lil Nas X is doing by upping the ante is no different than what we see a stereotypical, heterosexual rapper do by upping the ante in their lyrics." In both Lil Nas X and DaBaby's videos, the rappers perform shirtless, sing about sex and speak to their successes. But Lil Nas X receives backlash much more often because of what he represents. "Queerness generally, but Black queerness specifically, still functions as this kind of scarlet letter for many folks who want to work within the media and culture industries," Martin said, adding that rappers are still more likely to cling to hypermasculine values, which makes it hard to accept queer artists. This shows in the way many rappers defended DaBaby's comments, while the backlash largely came from those outside the genre, Martin said. For a long time, Black queerness specifically was used as a joke in media, Martin said, and it's hard for those deeply immersed in the rap world to break out of that mindset. On Monday, DaBaby shared a detailed apology for the hurtful comments and the misinformation about HIV/AIDS. His note suggested he needed people to educate him "with kindness." "As a man who has had to make his own way from very difficult circumstances, having people I know publicly working against me -- knowing that what I needed was education on these topics and guidance -- has been challenging," his apology said. His apology came after music festivals he was supposed to perform at, including Lollapalooza and the Governors Ball Music Festival, canceled his appearances. Austin City Limits, the iHeartRadio Music Festival and Music Midtown canceled his scheduled appearance shortly thereafter. "In this particular moment, we have DaBaby saying these really uninformed things about HIV/AIDS -- but because of all of the work that these other artists were able to do, we get to see this swift takedown of DaBaby," Martin said. Carving out a future for LGBTQ creators in the music industry The ripples of Lil Nas X's success may not immediately lead to a flood of queer, Black creators into the music industry, Martin and Oware said. Lil Nas X is the first star of his kind -- Black, gay, genre-bending, Gen Z and award-winning. In addition to promoting his own projects, Lil Nas X uses social media to uplift others, too, retweeting fans and inspiring followers with his open persona. His music videos and tweets are playful, a perfect example of the kind of humor he has perfected. He's an artist who thrives on provocation and shattering expectations with a complete disregard for the people who don't get it. All those traits, most of all his confidence, are what infuriate his haters -- and endear him to fans. With time, Lil Nas X's success may make more record companies open to signing on more Black, LGBTQ musicians, Martin said. "The issue with being the first is often that the first also becomes the last for a really long time," Martin said. "Black queerness has only very recently become really legible as something other than a punchline. There's a lot of work, of undoing that needs to get done. And Lil Nas X might be part of that undoing." And after "Industry Baby" debuted at number two on the Billboard Hot 100 charts Monday, let the undoing continue. https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/05/entertainment/lil-nas-x-dababy-homophobia-black-queer-rappers-trnd/index.html </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bumjuice001 08/06/21 11:12:58 AM #2:	While what hes doing is great and I personally respect it, his audience is mostly compromised of young kids. I cant say its okay for any artist to make such sexually explicit content no matter their sexuality when theyre making music for 8 year olds. <cite>Bumjuice001 posted [p:956831666] in Lil Nas X'... [t:79601252]...</cite> <quote>While what hes doing is great and I personally respect it, his audience is mostly compromised of young kids. I cant say its okay for any artist to make such sexually explicit content no matter their sexuality when theyre making music for 8 year olds. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
What_ 08/06/21 11:15:19 AM #3:	Bumjuice001 posted... While what hes doing is great and I personally respect it, his audience is mostly compromised of young kids. I cant say its okay for any artist to make such sexually explicit content no matter their sexuality when theyre making music for 8 year olds. are you fucking kidding me with the stupid argument? that shit has been going on and television and film and music videos since the medium was created <cite>What_ posted [p:956831737] in Lil Nas X'... [t:79601252]...</cite> <quote>Bumjuice001 posted... </cite> <quote>While what hes doing is great and I personally respect it, his audience is mostly compromised of young kids. I cant say its okay for any artist to make such sexually explicit content no matter their sexuality when theyre making music for 8 year olds.</quote> are you fucking kidding me with the stupid argument? that shit has been going on and television and film and music videos since the medium was created </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blue_Dream87 08/06/21 11:17:02 AM #4:	Bumjuice001 posted... While what hes doing is great and I personally respect it, his audience is mostly compromised of young kids. I cant say its okay for any artist to make such sexually explicit content no matter their sexuality when theyre making music for 8 year olds. This some fake-ass virtue signaling right here --- Peace Love Dope <cite>Blue_Dream87 posted [p:956831773] in Lil Nas X'... [t:79601252]...</cite> <quote>Bumjuice001 posted... </cite> <quote>While what hes doing is great and I personally respect it, his audience is mostly compromised of young kids. I cant say its okay for any artist to make such sexually explicit content no matter their sexuality when theyre making music for 8 year olds.</quote> This some fake-ass virtue signaling right here </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Awards 08/06/21 11:23:42 AM #6:	Hes awesome <cite>Awards posted [p:956831976] in Lil Nas X'... [t:79601252]...</cite> <quote>Hes awesome </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gwynevere 08/06/21 11:35:30 AM #7:	Boosie is a washed up clown, mad af that a gay man is more successful than he ever was without even dropping an album lmao --- A hunter is a hunter...even in a dream <cite>Gwynevere posted [p:956832339] in Lil Nas X'... [t:79601252]...</cite> <quote>Boosie is a washed up clown, mad af that a gay man is more successful than he ever was without even dropping an album lmao </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mustachedmystic 08/06/21 11:39:22 AM #8:	Bumjuice001 posted... While what hes doing is great and I personally respect it, his audience is mostly compromised of young kids. I cant say its okay for any artist to make such sexually explicit content no matter their sexuality when theyre making music for 8 year olds. Sounds like you are saying that he should be obligated to turn himself into the black Raffi, just cause his audiance skews young. Maybe hes deliberately trying to change that? --- Vegy is a 30 year old man, who's pretending to be a 60 year old woman that likes to act like a 57 year old man that pretends to be a horny 16 year old boy. <cite>mustachedmystic posted [p:956832464] in Lil Nas X'... [t:79601252]...</cite> <quote>Bumjuice001 posted... </cite> <quote>While what hes doing is great and I personally respect it, his audience is mostly compromised of young kids. I cant say its okay for any artist to make such sexually explicit content no matter their sexuality when theyre making music for 8 year olds.</quote>Sounds like you are saying that he should be obligated to turn himself into the black Raffi, just cause his audiance skews young. Maybe hes deliberately trying to change that? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheMikh 08/06/21 11:41:54 AM #9:	Gwynevere posted... Boosie is a washed up clown famous last words in baton rouge --- https://imgur.com/A0TAfek <cite>TheMikh posted [p:956832533] in Lil Nas X'... [t:79601252]...</cite> <quote>Gwynevere posted... </cite> <quote>Boosie is a washed up clown</quote> famous last words in baton rouge </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZevLoveDOOM 08/06/21 11:43:11 AM #10:	im all for these dudes being able to express themselves without fear of being judged or discriminated! not to mention its always priceless to see those bigoted dorks getting triggered over someone like Nas X! lol <cite>ZevLoveDOOM posted [p:956832569] in Lil Nas X'... [t:79601252]...</cite> <quote>im all for these dudes being able to express themselves without fear of being judged or discriminated! not to mention its always priceless to see those bigoted dorks getting triggered over someone like Nas X! lol </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Evol 08/06/21 11:46:24 AM #11:	Gwynevere posted... Boosie is a washed up clown, mad af that a gay man is more successful than he ever was without even dropping an album lmao Hes obsessed https://twitter.com/nojumper/status/1422277029097967618?s=21 <cite>Evol posted [p:956832651] in Lil Nas X'... [t:79601252]...</cite> <quote>Gwynevere posted... </cite> <quote>Boosie is a washed up clown, mad af that a gay man is more successful than he ever was without even dropping an album lmao</quote> Hes obsessed https://twitter.com/nojumper/status/1422277029097967618?s=21 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DezDroppedFreak 08/06/21 11:48:39 AM #12:	Kevin Abstract be like am I joke to you all --- I feel like Ratatouille when I'm whipping that cheddar <cite>DezDroppedFreak posted [p:956832725] in Lil Nas X'... [t:79601252]...</cite> <quote>Kevin Abstract be like am I joke to you all </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KStateKing17 08/06/21 11:50:32 AM #13:	Friendly reminder that piece of shit rapper Boosie bought a prostitute for his middle school aged son. --- The 17th King of the State of K <cite>KStateKing17 posted [p:956832787] in Lil Nas X'... [t:79601252]...</cite> <quote>Friendly reminder that piece of shit rapper Boosie bought a prostitute for his middle school aged son. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZevLoveDOOM 08/06/21 11:50:48 AM #14:	Cakes Da Killa also... killing it. too bad he's not that well known cause he has some fire stuff! https://youtu.be/2MxT6PePWZQ <cite>ZevLoveDOOM posted [p:956832799] in Lil Nas X'... [t:79601252]...</cite> <quote>Cakes Da Killa also... killing it. too bad he's not that well known cause he has some fire stuff! https://youtu.be/2MxT6PePWZQ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
superman 2000 08/06/21 11:52:17 AM #15:	Didn't Lil X refer to himself as a role model for children once? If so, then yeah, I understand the concern over the explicit nature of his material. --- I don't hold grudges. Let's vehemently argue today and casually have a beer together tomorrow. <cite>superman 2000 posted [p:956832848] in Lil Nas X'... [t:79601252]...</cite> <quote>Didn't Lil X refer to himself as a role model for children once? If so, then yeah, I understand the concern over the explicit nature of his material. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
superman 2000 08/06/21 11:58:39 AM #16:	Evol posted... Hes obsessed https://twitter.com/nojumper/status/1422277029097967618?s=21 Sadly, he's just another product of his environment. Every generation grows up believing what they were taught is the right thing, and when cultural norms shift, they struggle to let go of their past teachings even if it makes perfect sense to do so. This is the curse of human nature. We'll be doing the same thing in 10-20 years, when what we think is right today will be placed in the hot seat by the younger generation (who will believe we're just old fools stuck in our ways). --- I don't hold grudges. Let's vehemently argue today and casually have a beer together tomorrow. <cite>superman 2000 posted [p:956833031] in Lil Nas X'... [t:79601252]...</cite> <quote>Evol posted... </cite> <quote>Hes obsessed https://twitter.com/nojumper/status/1422277029097967618?s=21</quote> Sadly, he's just another product of his environment. Every generation grows up believing what they were taught is the right thing, and when cultural norms shift, they struggle to let go of their past teachings even if it makes perfect sense to do so. This is the curse of human nature. We'll be doing the same thing in 10-20 years, when what we think is right today will be placed in the hot seat by the younger generation (who will believe we're just old fools stuck in our ways). </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NoxObscuras 08/06/21 12:04:54 PM #17:	DezDroppedFreak posted... Kevin Abstract be like am I joke to you all To be fair. He's a lot less "in your face" about it. I do like his music though. --- PSN - NoxObscuras Z490 \| i9-10900K \| EVGA 3080 FTW3 Ultra \| 32GB DDR4 3600 \| 4TB SSD <cite>NoxObscuras posted [p:956833213] in Lil Nas X'... [t:79601252]...</cite> <quote>DezDroppedFreak posted... </cite> <quote>Kevin Abstract be like am I joke to you all</quote>To be fair. He's a lot less "in your face" about it. I do like his music though. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smashingpmkns 08/06/21 12:07:25 PM #18:	Artists shouldn't be confined by the perceived age group of their audience (which isn't even what this is about). Good on Lil Nas X for defying every expectation at this point. Dude is crushing it in an industry that would have spit him out a few years ago. --- https://imgur.com/x04tPRZ https://imgur.com/t7T392I <cite>Smashingpmkns posted [p:956833278] in Lil Nas X'... [t:79601252]...</cite> <quote>Artists shouldn't be confined by the perceived age group of their audience (which isn't even what this is about). Good on Lil Nas X for defying every expectation at this point. Dude is crushing it in an industry that would have spit him out a few years ago.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tyranthraxus 08/06/21 12:25:31 PM #20:	Lil Nas X is fucking fantastic and haters need to get over it. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:956833784] in Lil Nas X'... [t:79601252]...</cite> <quote>Lil Nas X is fucking fantastic and haters need to get over it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gwynevere 08/06/21 12:36:20 PM #21:	ImAMarvel posted... This is literally the exact same argument that white supremacists made back in 2016 before electing Trump. Seems like whenever the majority is called out by the oppressed minority, they cry victim and act like they're all dying out or some shit. Pretty much. It's always struck me as particularly odd when a member of an oppressed minority will use the exact same rhetoric used to justify their oppression to shit on someone else. The lack of empathy is just mind boggling --- A hunter is a hunter...even in a dream <cite>Gwynevere posted [p:956834096] in Lil Nas X'... [t:79601252]...</cite> <quote>ImAMarvel posted... </cite> <quote>This is literally the exact same argument that white supremacists made back in 2016 before electing Trump. Seems like whenever the majority is called out by the oppressed minority, they cry victim and act like they're all dying out or some shit.</quote>Pretty much. It's always struck me as particularly odd when a member of an oppressed minority will use the exact same rhetoric used to justify their oppression to shit on someone else. The lack of empathy is just mind boggling </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ruvan22 08/06/21 12:54:50 PM #22:	superman 2000 posted... Didn't Lil X refer to himself as a role model for children once? If so, then yeah, I understand the concern over the explicit nature of his material. Don't most/all musicians say that "once"? <cite>Ruvan22 posted [p:956834600] in Lil Nas X'... [t:79601252]...</cite> <quote>superman 2000 posted... </cite> <quote>Didn't Lil X refer to himself as a role model for children once? If so, then yeah, I understand the concern over the explicit nature of his material.</quote> Don't most/all musicians say that "once"? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SSJPurple 08/06/21 12:55:37 PM #23:	Hip-hops abrasive and unapologetic nature is part of why its so beloved and that applies to lil Nas too. I respect him for being himself and not giving af. Thats real. Even if I dont love his music I respect the guy as a person. --- Long Term Effects of Suffering - 8/13/21 #G59 <cite>SSJPurple posted [p:956834619] in Lil Nas X'... [t:79601252]...</cite> <quote>Hip-hops abrasive and unapologetic nature is part of why its so beloved and that applies to lil Nas too. I respect him for being himself and not giving af. Thats real. Even if I dont love his music I respect the guy as a person. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
superman 2000 08/06/21 1:46:55 PM #24:	Ruvan22 posted... Don't most/all musicians say that "once"? No? Certainly not rappers. Show me one time Eazy-E, Lil Kim, Jadakiss, etc. called themselves role models for children lol --- I don't hold grudges. Let's vehemently argue today and casually have a beer together tomorrow. <cite>superman 2000 posted [p:956836069] in Lil Nas X'... [t:79601252]...</cite> <quote>Ruvan22 posted... </cite> <quote>Don't most/all musicians say that "once"?</quote> No? Certainly not rappers. Show me one time Eazy-E, Lil Kim, Jadakiss, etc. called themselves role models for children lol </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smashingpmkns 08/06/21 3:07:58 PM #25:	I just looked it up and Lil Nas X explicitly stated that he isn't looking to be a role model despite the pressure of the media insisting that he is. --- https://imgur.com/x04tPRZ https://imgur.com/t7T392I <cite>Smashingpmkns posted [p:956838461] in Lil Nas X'... [t:79601252]...</cite> <quote>I just looked it up and Lil Nas X explicitly stated that he isn't looking to be a role model despite the pressure of the media insisting that he is.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Feline_Heart 08/06/21 3:08:58 PM #26:	superman 2000 posted... No? Certainly not rappers. Show me one time Eazy-E, Lil Kim, Jadakiss, etc. called themselves role models for children lol Wu-Tang is for the children --- Pickles the Drummer, doodily doo, dingdong doodlily doodily doo <cite>Feline_Heart posted [p:956838493] in Lil Nas X'... [t:79601252]...</cite> <quote>superman 2000 posted... </cite> <quote>No? Certainly not rappers. Show me one time Eazy-E, Lil Kim, Jadakiss, etc. called themselves role models for children lol</quote>Wu-Tang is for the children </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ruvan22 08/06/21 3:16:28 PM #27:	superman 2000 posted... No? Certainly not rappers. Show me one time Eazy-E, Lil Kim, Jadakiss, etc. called themselves role models for children lol Ahh okay. So given the below do you change your position? Smashingpmkns posted... I just looked it up and Lil Nas X explicitly stated that he isn't looking to be a role model despite the pressure of the media insisting that he is. <cite>Ruvan22 posted [p:956838700] in Lil Nas X'... [t:79601252]...</cite> <quote>superman 2000 posted... </cite> <quote>No? Certainly not rappers. Show me one time Eazy-E, Lil Kim, Jadakiss, etc. called themselves role models for children lol</quote> Ahh okay. So given the below do you change your position? Smashingpmkns posted... </cite> <quote>I just looked it up and Lil Nas X explicitly stated that he isn't looking to be a role model despite the pressure of the media insisting that he is.</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
superman 2000 08/06/21 4:08:19 PM #28:	Ruvan22 posted... Ahh okay. So given the below do you change your position? No, because of this: https://www.npr.org/2021/01/05/953349880/lil-nas-x-says-children-are-his-core-audience-right-now-and-thats-ok --- I don't hold grudges. Let's vehemently argue today and casually have a beer together tomorrow. <cite>superman 2000 posted [p:956840305] in Lil Nas X'... [t:79601252]...</cite> <quote>Ruvan22 posted... </cite> <quote>Ahh okay. So given the below do you change your position?</quote> No, because of this: https://www.npr.org/2021/01/05/953349880/lil-nas-x-says-children-are-his-core-audience-right-now-and-thats-ok </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ruvan22 08/06/21 4:14:07 PM #29:	superman 2000 posted... No, because of this: https://www.npr.org/2021/01/05/953349880/lil-nas-x-says-children-are-his-core-audience-right-now-and-thats-ok But he made that back in January while his "it's not my job to be a role model" statement was in May...and this video was July? https://www.oleantimesherald.com/lifestyle/entertainment/lil-nas-x-its-not-my-job-to-be-a-good-role-model/article_df3c5886-cc98-5cb1-bc81-4aea88010325.html#:~:text=Lil%20Nas%20X%20has%20insisted,be%20a%20good%20role%20model.&text=It's%20not%20my%20job.,the%20lead%2C%20and%20doing%20themselves. <cite>Ruvan22 posted [p:956840464] in Lil Nas X'... [t:79601252]...</cite> <quote>superman 2000 posted... </cite> <quote>No, because of this: https://www.npr.org/2021/01/05/953349880/lil-nas-x-says-children-are-his-core-audience-right-now-and-thats-ok</quote> But he made that back in January while his "it's not my job to be a role model" statement was in May...and this video was July? https://www.oleantimesherald.com/lifestyle/entertainment/lil-nas-x-its-not-my-job-to-be-a-good-role-model/article_df3c5886-cc98-5cb1-bc81-4aea88010325.html#:~:text=Lil%20Nas%20X%20has%20insisted,be%20a%20good%20role%20model.&text=It's%20not%20my%20job.,the%20lead%2C%20and%20doing%20themselves. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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superman 2000 08/06/21 4:25:08 PM #31:	Ruvan22 posted... But he made that back in January while his "it's not my job to be a role model" statement was in May...and this video was July? Which means he's being irresponsible. You know kids listen to your shit; you EMBRACED the idea of kids listening to your shit; and now you're backpedaling because it's convenient. Make up your mind, because either way, you know impressionable underage people are consuming your content. Deliver a consistent message on who your stuff is for. --- I don't hold grudges. Let's vehemently argue today and casually have a beer together tomorrow. <cite>superman 2000 posted [p:956840779] in Lil Nas X'... [t:79601252]...</cite> <quote>Ruvan22 posted... </cite> <quote>But he made that back in January while his "it's not my job to be a role model" statement was in May...and this video was July?</quote> Which means he's being irresponsible. You know kids listen to your shit; you EMBRACED the idea of kids listening to your shit; and now you're backpedaling because it's convenient. Make up your mind, because either way, you know impressionable underage people are consuming your content. Deliver a consistent message on who your stuff is for. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wetterdew 08/06/21 4:27:11 PM #32:	He's doing what we need gay figures to do: refuse to allow straight bigots to make us feel shame for being who we are. --- Talking about video games? it's ok to just disagree with each other on the internet. No point getting hostile or snide about it <cite>Wetterdew posted [p:956840832] in Lil Nas X'... [t:79601252]...</cite> <quote>He's doing what we need gay figures to do: refuse to allow straight bigots to make us feel shame for being who we are. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
superman 2000 08/06/21 4:28:16 PM #33:	Wetterdew posted... He's doing what we need gay figures to do: refuse to allow straight bigots to make us feel shame for being who we are. Reasonable people don't care that he's gay. They might care about the adult-themed content coming from someone who, just half a year ago, claimed he embraces his underage audience and seeks to appeal to them. --- I don't hold grudges. Let's vehemently argue today and casually have a beer together tomorrow. <cite>superman 2000 posted [p:956840860] in Lil Nas X'... [t:79601252]...</cite> <quote>Wetterdew posted... </cite> <quote>He's doing what we need gay figures to do: refuse to allow straight bigots to make us feel shame for being who we are.</quote> Reasonable people don't care that he's gay. They might care about the adult-themed content coming from someone who, just half a year ago, claimed he embraces his underage audience and seeks to appeal to them. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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superman 2000 08/06/21 4:33:26 PM #35:	shockthemonkey posted... Exactly. People arent making think of the children arguments in good faith at all and Lil Nas X is smarter than to give a fuck about them. Some are. In fact, I'll even say most are. But others are just holding him to his word that he himself thinks of the children. It'd be one thing if he just didn't care who listens to his music (like most artists), but once you put yourself out as someone who wants kids to pay attention to you, it's reasonable to hold you accountable when you produce content that's inappropriate for them. --- I don't hold grudges. Let's vehemently argue today and casually have a beer together tomorrow. <cite>superman 2000 posted [p:956841022] in Lil Nas X'... [t:79601252]...</cite> <quote>shockthemonkey posted... </cite> <quote>Exactly. People arent making think of the children arguments in good faith at all and Lil Nas X is smarter than to give a fuck about them.</quote> Some are. In fact, I'll even say most are. But others are just holding him to his word that he himself thinks of the children. It'd be one thing if he just didn't care who listens to his music (like most artists), but once you put yourself out as someone who wants kids to pay attention to you, it's reasonable to hold you accountable when you produce content that's inappropriate for them. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ruvan22 08/06/21 4:35:26 PM #36:	superman 2000 posted... Which means he's being irresponsible. You know kids listen to your shit; you EMBRACED the idea of kids listening to your shit; and now you're backpedaling because it's convenient. Make up your mind, because either way, you know impressionable underage people are consuming your content. Deliver a consistent message on who your stuff is for. A) Why do you say he's backpedaling because it's "convenient"? Could it not be that his perspective has shifted? B) Are you saying that ONE change in a position makes a person "inconsistent"? Lots of artists/ actors/game designers etc. have made one change in a position (not to mention politicians and people at large), your metric seems almost useless. <cite>Ruvan22 posted [p:956841080] in Lil Nas X'... [t:79601252]...</cite> <quote>superman 2000 posted... </cite> <quote>Which means he's being irresponsible. You know kids listen to your shit; you EMBRACED the idea of kids listening to your shit; and now you're backpedaling because it's convenient. Make up your mind, because either way, you know impressionable underage people are consuming your content. Deliver a consistent message on who your stuff is for.</quote> A) Why do you say he's backpedaling because it's "convenient"? Could it not be that his perspective has shifted? B) Are you saying that ONE change in a position makes a person "inconsistent"? Lots of artists/ actors/game designers etc. have made one change in a position (not to mention politicians and people at large), your metric seems almost useless. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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hitokoriX 08/06/21 4:38:58 PM #38:	The song is cool but the most recent video ain't for me. Nothing wrong with that, not everything is for everyone. --- Would you follow a blind man? I would if I was in the dark <cite>hitokoriX posted [p:956841190] in Lil Nas X'... [t:79601252]...</cite> <quote>The song is cool but the most recent video ain't for me. Nothing wrong with that, not everything is for everyone. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
superman 2000 08/06/21 4:40:34 PM #39:	Ruvan22 posted... A) Why do you say he's backpedaling because it's "convenient"? Could it not be that his perspective has shifted? Because I'm not nave. But let's assume his perspective has shifted: a responsible adult would acknowledge that he was being careless with his earlier message and perhaps even apologize, instead of trying to dismissively frame it as "lol your kids aren't my concern". B) Are you saying that ONE change in a position makes a person "inconsistent"? Lots of artists/ actors/game designers etc. have made one change in a position (not to mention politicians and people at large), your metric seems almost useless. If you say you're for the kids, then make content that's obviously inappropriate for children without any warning, then go on record and say "lol not my problem", then yeah, that's irresponsible and it's okay to call that out. Imagine if Biggie went on record saying "I love that kids listen to my music; I do this for them", and then released "10 Crack Commandments". People would be understandably upset. --- I don't hold grudges. Let's vehemently argue today and casually have a beer together tomorrow. <cite>superman 2000 posted [p:956841254] in Lil Nas X'... [t:79601252]...</cite> <quote>Ruvan22 posted... </cite> <quote>A) Why do you say he's backpedaling because it's "convenient"? Could it not be that his perspective has shifted?</quote> Because I'm not nave. But let's assume his perspective has shifted: a responsible adult would acknowledge that he was being careless with his earlier message and perhaps even apologize, instead of trying to dismissively frame it as "lol your kids aren't my concern". <quote>B) Are you saying that ONE change in a position makes a person "inconsistent"? Lots of artists/ actors/game designers etc. have made one change in a position (not to mention politicians and people at large), your metric seems almost useless.</quote> If you say you're for the kids, then make content that's obviously inappropriate for children without any warning, then go on record and say "lol not my problem", then yeah, that's irresponsible and it's okay to call that out. Imagine if Biggie went on record saying "I love that kids listen to my music; I do this for them", and then released "10 Crack Commandments". People would be understandably upset. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
superman 2000 08/06/21 4:40:53 PM #40:	shockthemonkey posted... Everyone reading your posts can tell that this is just concern trolling Shut up. You're contributing nothing meaningful to the discourse. --- I don't hold grudges. Let's vehemently argue today and casually have a beer together tomorrow. <cite>superman 2000 posted [p:956841273] in Lil Nas X'... [t:79601252]...</cite> <quote>shockthemonkey posted... </cite> <quote>Everyone reading your posts can tell that this is just concern trolling</quote> Shut up. You're contributing nothing meaningful to the discourse. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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superman 2000 08/06/21 4:47:29 PM #42:	shockthemonkey posted... lol keep shrieking think of the children It's okay; sometimes I want attention even when I don't have anything intelligent to say, too. --- I don't hold grudges. Let's vehemently argue today and casually have a beer together tomorrow. <cite>superman 2000 posted [p:956841501] in Lil Nas X'... [t:79601252]...</cite> <quote>shockthemonkey posted... </cite> <quote>lol keep shrieking think of the children</quote> It's okay; sometimes I want attention even when I don't have anything intelligent to say, too. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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superman 2000 08/06/21 4:48:55 PM #44:	shockthemonkey posted... We can tell That's why you're still here, insulting me instead of actually addressing my argument. --- I don't hold grudges. Let's vehemently argue today and casually have a beer together tomorrow. <cite>superman 2000 posted [p:956841542] in Lil Nas X'... [t:79601252]...</cite> <quote>shockthemonkey posted... </cite> <quote>We can tell</quote> That's why you're still here, insulting me instead of actually addressing my argument. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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superman 2000 08/06/21 4:54:55 PM #46:	shockthemonkey posted... Yeah man we all understood what you were trying to say the first time Troll elsewhere. --- I don't hold grudges. Let's vehemently argue today and casually have a beer together tomorrow. <cite>superman 2000 posted [p:956841757] in Lil Nas X'... [t:79601252]...</cite> <quote>shockthemonkey posted... </cite> <quote>Yeah man we all understood what you were trying to say the first time</quote> Troll elsewhere. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tyranthraxus 08/06/21 5:23:15 PM #48:	superman 2000 posted... Some are. In fact, I'll even say most are. But others are just holding him to his word that he himself thinks of the children. It'd be one thing if he just didn't care who listens to his music (like most artists), but once you put yourself out as someone who wants kids to pay attention to you, it's reasonable to hold you accountable when you produce content that's inappropriate for them. There's nothing inappropriate about being gay or making music about being gay. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:956842683] in Lil Nas X'... [t:79601252]...</cite> <quote>superman 2000 posted... </cite> <quote>Some are. In fact, I'll even say most are. But others are just holding him to his word that he himself thinks of the children. It'd be one thing if he just didn't care who listens to his music (like most artists), but once you put yourself out as someone who wants kids to pay attention to you, it's reasonable to hold you accountable when you produce content that's inappropriate for them.</quote>There's nothing inappropriate about being gay or making music about being gay. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lost_All_Senses 08/06/21 5:32:13 PM #49:	My 8 year son seen his video and now he won't stop telling me he's excited to go to prison when he's older so that he can twerk on 8 guys. Lil Nas destroyed my child --- Name checks out "Try to talk and they ain't listening, but they'll point it out when you get ignorant" - Dreezy <cite>Lost_All_Senses posted [p:956842986] in Lil Nas X'... [t:79601252]...</cite> <quote>My 8 year son seen his video and now he won't stop telling me he's excited to go to prison when he's older so that he can twerk on 8 guys. Lil Nas destroyed my child </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hornswoggled 08/07/21 12:10:00 AM #50:	You can't tame Boosie. That dude's not fake like a lot of rappers. He's a real scumbag gangster. --- This is the last hoorah. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33sI-ltcm6M <cite>Hornswoggled posted [p:956854183] in Lil Nas X'... [t:79601252]...</cite> <quote>You can't tame Boosie. That dude's not fake like a lot of rappers. He's a real scumbag gangster. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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