Current Events > Sonic is just a failed formula.

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It's successful because the characters are amazing. But for games?

Sonic is fast. You go fast, you can't see what's coming up.
You hit bumps and spikes and fall and all that cuz you can't react fast enough.
Sonic games slow things down, like Unleashed.
People complain that it's too slow, that Sonic should be about speed.
They speed it back up, but in order to fix the first problem, they set you on a track and basically make the game play itself, which is what we have now.

Nearly every speedy level, you can hold forward and press A every once in a while, and beat all of those stages.
I've watched a YouTuber go through a side-scroller stage. The boosters and whatnot got him through a third of the stage WITHOUT HIM EVER TOUCHING THE CONTROLLER.

And there's nothing they can do to change this. Sonic is stuck. He is speed. And speed is bad for video games, as people need to see things in order to react to them.

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https://youtu.be/nTDU9fSMNyI

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I remember when I got an S Rank in Sonic Unleashed. Days of memorizing enemy patterns and shortcut locations but it was kind of worth it? Made me feel like I accomplished something for an hour or two.
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Yup.

If you wanna compete with Mario, go for it, but you can't give up inherently good design just because you wanna be different. It's not fun to get hit with shit you can't possibly see coming, on top of not really getting where to go to use your skills.

There is something fun there though. Sonic Adventure 2, Sonic Unleashed Day levels, and Sonic Generations 3D levels all hit what's fun about the design. It sucks that Sega hasn't really figured it out.

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Still better than your formula.

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I don't know man. I enjoyed the Sonic Adventure games greatly and would kill for Sonic Adventure 3.

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The thing I really like about 2D Sonic is how layered each level is. There are so many different paths to the end of each level in a way that just isn't true of other sidescrolling series. That was hard to translate in early 3D because it would've meant a lot more level than those games really had space for.

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You're a failed formula!

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They should just combine classic Sonic speed gameplay with a decent slow motion mechanic. This will slow things down while looking fast

With 20 years of advanced technology Sonic Adventure 3 would or could be a fantastic game.

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BTH_Phoenix posted...

Still better than your formula.

TC out here struggling to draw a penny while Big Dick Sonic out there drawing DIMES!!!

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Platinum should make a Sonic game

Look, alls I'm saying is that I have a few Sonic games in this household while viewmaster games is at zero.

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viewmaster_pi posted...

It's successful because the characters are amazing. But for games?

Sonic is fast. You go fast, you can't see what's coming up.
You hit bumps and spikes and fall and all that cuz you can't react fast enough.
Sonic games slow things down, like Unleashed.
People complain that it's too slow, that Sonic should be about speed.
They speed it back up, but in order to fix the first problem, they set you on a track and basically make the game play itself, which is what we have now.

Nearly every speedy level, you can hold forward and press A every once in a while, and beat all of those stages.
I've watched a YouTuber go through a side-scroller stage. The boosters and whatnot got him through a third of the stage WITHOUT HIM EVER TOUCHING THE CONTROLLER.

And there's nothing they can do to change this. Sonic is stuck. He is speed. And speed is bad for video games, as people need to see things in order to react to them.

Sonic Mania proves that you are wrong.

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Legato-and-Vash posted...

I don't know man. I enjoyed the Sonic Adventure games greatly and would kill for Sonic Adventure 3.

Sonic 2006 was Sonic Adventure 3.

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Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

Sonic Mania proves that you are wrong.

Best Sonic game ever, which tells you something.

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The fanchise in terms of quality has leaked 2D and 3D wise. Though unlike, say, Nintendo, sega refuses to accept this reality.

Honestly just relying on the story and characters like during the ps2 would have been enough to carry the fanchise.

Megaman is another example of a series that peaked. But they've accepted this it seems and it's paid off.

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It never should have gotten popular to begin with.

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the Sonic Was Never Good crowd is such a joke lmao

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You're not supposed to blaze through the levels on your first playthrough. Only once you get a feel for the level can you do that. Nothing wrong with having to move more slowly on your first playthrough; it's only natural that you'd be able to blaze through it later on. And the levels are rarely so difficult that you actually need to move really slowly to avoid dying.

And all of the characters suck except Sonic and Eggman.

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TC ever played Sonic Mania?

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Strider102 posted...

https://youtu.be/nTDU9fSMNyI

cringe

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nfearurspecimn posted...

cringe

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Scotty_Rogers posted...

You're not supposed to blaze through the levels on your first playthrough. Only once you get a feel for the level can you do that. Nothing wrong with having to move more slowly on your first playthrough; it's only natural that you'd be able to blaze through it later on. And the levels are rarely so difficult that you actually need to move really slowly to avoid dying.

And all of the characters suck except Sonic and Eggman.

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just watch some speedrun clips. the old 2d sonic games can be blitz pretty quick but just that casuals won't be able to replicate it without several hours of practice PER level

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nobody can tell this is copypasta yet? as if sonic characters are "amazing" lol

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viewmaster_pi posted...

nobody can tell this is copypasta yet? as if sonic characters are "amazing" lol

Aww cmon

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Sonic adventure 3 would have been better than the drivel given

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Buuuut I definitely understand the criticism. A lot of the older Sonic levels are badly designed. The series is definitely not for everyone; ultimately, it's a lot of trial-and-error. Only try Sonic if you're willing to put up with some frustration to get good at the games.

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I get the criticism too, and agree that making games based around your titular character having super speed is going to seriously limit what kind of games you can actually make, and making them WELL is another hurdle entirely

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i was fine with just Sonic and Tails saving the planet from an evil scientist who turns animals into robots. there, simple enough!

no need for extra characters or dumb gimmicks!

Nah, fuck Tails. It should just be Sonic rescuing small animals from Dr. Eggman and collecting Chaos Emeralds. Everyone else should only appear in multiplayer spin-off games.

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Well, even though it's a copypasta I'll just mention that it canbe gotten around with good level design, and that the speed in Sonic was originally meant as a reward for being good at the game, rather than an instant gratification thing.

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