Current Events > Your thoughts on the Rick and Morty season 5 finale? Spoilers!

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Well, they finally had the battle with "Evil" Morty. Definitely an episode for the fans. I wonder if we'll follow Evil Morty in the non-Rick-centered universes...

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That show is too aggressive for me

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does rick still belch and vomit in his mouth every 5 seconds?

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monkmith posted...

does rick still belch and vomit in his mouth every 5 seconds?

No, but he always has that bit of vomit hanging from his bottom lip... >_>

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Wont know until they put the episodes on Hulu or HBO Max tbh. I cant figure out how else to watch.

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It was good
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Really intrigued by the golden portal gun, wtf was that?
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voldothegr8 posted...

Really intrigued by the golden portal gun, wtf was that?

a portal gun not bound by the central finite curve

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That was pretty great.
Evil Morty owns so hard. He was literally never in danger from Rick. And him describing what Rick did to the multiverse as creating "an infinite crib for an infinite baby" was a killer line, and it was delivered with the perfect amount of contempt and smug satisfaction.
We now know a whole lot more about who Rick actually is, and *what* he actually is. There are still some ongoing plot threads for them to follow-up on: what exactly is the fall-out from what Evil Morty has done, how does he know Rick did that(and he isn't Rick's original Morty, because our Rick doesn't *have* an original Morty: his Beth died as a child.) And who or what killed Rick's Diane and Beth?
And, personally? I think Evil Morty *intended* for our Rick and Morty to survive.

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i wasn't paying enough attention, and will definitely need to watch it a few more times. this might have been answered, but i'll ask anyway: did Evil Morty destroy the wall between the CFC multiverse and the rest of the multiverse, or just go through it?

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It was an interesting episode and can't wait to see where they take it

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How are you guys watching? You rent the episodes?

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SoggyBottomBoy posted...

How are you guys watching? You rent the episodes?

I watched it last night on Adult Swim.

It occurs to me Rick's Beth dying in childhood offers an explanation for the cop-out he pulled back in Season 3 which was revealed in the Season 4 finale. He believes he's holding her back, but can't bear to lose her again.
Also there probably actually are finite universes wherein Beth both exists and the original Rick has died without Beth, Jerry, and/or Summer realizing he's dead/missing. Throwing in the need to replace the Morty is a further complication.

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SoggyBottomBoy posted...

How are you guys watching? You rent the episodes?

Its only on TV right now so if you dont have cable or pay for it, you are SOL.
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SoggyBottomBoy posted...

How are you guys watching? You rent the episodes?

I have Hulu+ Live TV, so I was able to watch it that way.

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I'm not sure I get the part they got so many Beths and Jerrys to fall in love. I mean, I get it's to have more Mortys born, but why?.
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-Unowninator- posted...

I'm not sure I get the part they got so many Beths and Jerrys to fall in love. I mean, I get it's to have more Mortys born, but why?.

It was brief but it seemed like they quickly went on to just cloning Mortys.

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i enjoyed it. definitely one of the best episodes in a while! so much to unpack as well!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htSNvtqat7o
This makes clear that Evil Morty "broke" the Central Finite Curve and that the Rick&Morty writing team sees this as being a major change.

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ElatedVenusaur posted...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htSNvtqat7o
This makes clear that Evil Morty "broke" the Central Finite Curve and that the Rick&Morty writing team sees this as being a major change.

Interesting. They said they already have the next season written--I could see them pulling a thing where they don't address the finale at all in the next season and just keep us following different variations of Rick and Morty like we did for a good part of this season.

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I like how much Rick was complaining about the fact they plot building

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I'm kind of hung up on the established idea that you can't alter details of a memory, but you can alter anything in a fabricated origin story from S3E1. Could it be entirely possible that Rick faked his brain scans in both Season 1 and this finale to fool evil morty? Knowing the writers' irreverence for plot development, they could be pulling us for a loop just like the story train episode and just making up a seemingly satisfying climax just to immediately subvert it at the start of Season 6.

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ZMythos posted...

Knowing the writers' irreverence for plot development,

have they said that, Rick says it a lot but he isn't a writer and he isn't a mouth piece for the writing team

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SSJKirby posted...

have they said that, Rick says it a lot but he isn't a writer and he isn't a mouth piece for the writing team

I remember reading that Dan and Justin don't feel bound by conventional tropes when it comes to themes and story ideas. I'm not saying that we don't see the characters change throughout the series, but that the change can happen in unconventional ways. Multiple episodes build up dramatic tension and then completely subvert them, so to me that leaves the door open for the same kind of devices to operate at a much larger scale where the stakes seem higher.

Of course the opposite could be true and this could also be the writers freeing themselves of their own limitations set by the show early on. Interdimensional cable already gave us a glimpse of what is possible when there are no rules to follow and yet still produce a narrative.


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SSJKirby posted...

have they said that, Rick says it a lot but he isn't a writer and he isn't a mouth piece for the writing team

Yeah, Rick hates "continuity" and "plot" because he doesn't want to confront his past or his feelings. He just wants to go on little space adventures, obtaining meaningless gew-gaws, having meaningless sex, and clowning on some glip-glops like an achievement-obsessed gamer. He hates being challenged, he hates being confronted with the reality that he cares about certain people or that his actions have consequences.
I mean, this is his entire problem: *he* cares about his adventures, but in the end no one chooses to partake because they all have more important things to do than whatever the hell Rick feels like doing any given moment. Nimbus rules Atlantis, Birdperson was a freedom fighter for his people and probably was an influential figure in his society, Unity is busy assimilating sentients, etc. etc. So Rick concocted a captive audience: Morty.

That's why Evil Morty's monologue worked so well: "an infinite crib for an infinite f***ing baby" basically hit the nail on the head.

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Honestly something turns me off about Rick's canon. The show wasn't meant for it.

I think the show functions a lot better of there being no real backstory and we learn about Rick through day to day moments that open a window to what he is without ever showing it. So much of the show is centered on not needing a definite plot, and it really doesn't feel like they were building up to this, so this and the Birdperson episode feel a little forced or fanservicey. He doesn't ever hunt for that specific Rick in any other episode despite it being a huge part of his life's motivation post Diane. He doesn't show appreciation for Beth being alive, he hates Jerry for taking Beth's youth even though his Beth died when she was a child so he couldn't have known about Jerry. It doesn't add up.

That being said, the idea that Rick would section off part of the multiverse just for himself to keep feeling in control of his life is very well within his character to do prior to this, but not really this specific Rick.

It's possible that C137 Rick is the only actual Rick in this universe and each Rick is their own "C137" in their own timeline.

I kind of wish there was a fight between Rick and Evil Morty but in some ways it's more badass that there wasn't since Evil Morty would be so prepared as to win without fighting. Golden portal was cool, I think that was a metaphor for this string of plot or canon leaving the show. Would be cool if Evil Morty ends up saving a Rick Ina some other universe or something to tie it all back to their dynamic. Or if it was just a channel on interdimensional cable lol.

I really thought during the evil reveal, Rick and Morty would just straight up leave and go home and do some other shit lol

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Master Kazuya posted...

Honestly something turns me off about Rick's canon. The show wasn't meant for it.

I think the show functions a lot better of there being no real backstory and we learn about Rick through day to day moments that open a window to alludes to who he is without ever showing it. So much of the show is centered on not needing a definite plot, and it really doesn't feel like they were building up to this, so this and the Birdperson episode feel a little forced or fanservicey. He doesn't ever hunt for that specific Rick in any other episode despite it being a huge part of his life's motivation post Diane. He doesn't show appreciation for Beth being alive, he hates Jerry for taking Beth's youth even though his Beth died when she was a child so he couldn't have known about Jerry. It doesn't add up.

That being said, the idea that Rick would section off part of the multiverse just for himself to keep feeling in control of his life is very well within his character to do prior to this, but not really this specific Rick.

It's possible that C137 Rick is the only actual Rick in this universe and each Rick is their own "C137" in their own timeline.

I kind of wish there was a fight between Rick and Evil Morty but in some ways it's more badass that there wasn't since Evil Morty would be so prepared as to win without fighting. Golden portal was cool, I think that was a metaphor for this string of plot or canon leaving the show. Would be cool if Evil Morty ends up saving a Rick Ina some other universe or something to tie it all back to their dynamic. Or if it was just a channel on interdimensional cable lol.

I really thought during the evil reveal, Rick and Morty would just straight up leave and go home and do some other shit lol

Yeah, it was a big unnecessary expo dump of a backstory that I guess was supposed to make us feel empathy for a huge asshole? And the Evil Morty thing was totally fan service.

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SSJKirby posted...

have they said that, Rick says it a lot but he isn't a writer and he isn't a mouth piece for the writing team

There is a lot in Rick and Morty that alludes to this. Rick leaving the entire world of Kronenbergs behind and replacing their dead selves seamlessly, the clone family episode, fabricated origin story, free Morty coupon, brain parasites fabricating other origin stories, not knowing the real Beth, even the premise of the Citadel and interdimensional cable, and quite literally the story train episode. It's all meant to hammer down that we don't need to have "our" Rick doing things in a certain order to understand his (or any of the others) character.

A huge premise of the show is that nothing matters in the grand scheme but these meaningless things do matter to us which makes them matter. That is true for the shows plot as well. It's all one big self aware subverted ball of open-ended strings that intentionally are made to make you think about the characters in a long term 3D sense instead of a linear sense. You can go back and watch other episodes since you know the characters better without anything needing to be directly shown to you, it's all little microcosms of character development strewn about in the show.

That's one of my favorite parts about the show and how brilliant the writing is, that these ideas of self subverting nihilism are expressed both in the show and about the show. I love how much the show dives into the characters and the dynamic of the characters playing off each other through one off storytelling, no other episodic show gives me the same feeling.

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Master Kazuya posted...

Honestly something turns me off about Rick's canon. The show wasn't meant for it.

I think the show functions a lot better of there being no real backstory and we learn about Rick through day to day moments that open a window to alludes to who he is without ever showing it. So much of the show is centered on not needing a definite plot, and it really doesn't feel like they were building up to this, so this and the Birdperson episode feel a little forced or fanservicey. He doesn't ever hunt for that specific Rick in any other episode despite it being a huge part of his life's motivation post Diane. He doesn't show appreciation for Beth being alive, he hates Jerry for taking Beth's youth even though his Beth died when she was a child so he couldn't have known about Jerry. It doesn't add up.

That being said, the idea that Rick would section off part of the multiverse just for himself to keep feeling in control of his life is very well within his character to do prior to this, but not really this specific Rick.

It's possible that C137 Rick is the only actual Rick in this universe and each Rick is their own "C137" in their own timeline.

I kind of wish there was a fight between Rick and Evil Morty but in some ways it's more badass that there wasn't since Evil Morty would be so prepared as to win without fighting. Golden portal was cool, I think that was a metaphor for this string of plot or canon leaving the show. Would be cool if Evil Morty ends up saving a Rick Ina some other universe or something to tie it all back to their dynamic. Or if it was just a channel on interdimensional cable lol.

I really thought during the evil reveal, Rick and Morty would just straight up leave and go home and do some other shit lol

They alluded to the original Beth and his wife dying at the start of season 3 I think when the Federation basically tried to hack his brain and they said it was impossible for him to fabricate false memories even though he played off like it was. Once they started teasing the idea of Beth being a clone you could put 2 and 2 together so there has definitely been foreshadowing.

His does treat his family poorly but he's suppose to be a very flawed controversial character not some noble super hero. He still cares for Beth and Morty, even if Beth isn't the original.

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GS4Life posted...

original Beth and his wife dying at the start of season 3 I

They did show that scene, but since it's in a brainalyzer that Rick successfully hacked and he said it was fabricated, it's only implied that it's just one possible origin instead of concretely giving him an origin story. They went out of their way to keep it ambiguous while also still making it possible. That's different from definitively saying that this is his backstory.


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