Current Events > "The main reason people don't like Rey is 'cause she's a woman!"

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Dare you to say that in good faith after watching this video. Nuance saves the day yet again!

https://youtu.be/l5BL6d7MOMY

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Not watching the video but as someone who didn't really like any of the new characters outside of like that X-wing pilot guy in 7 (I only saw 7), I really hate when people just disregard what I have to say about the characters in the movie as "misogynistic".

Same with that terrible looking Ghostbusters movie a few years back. The trailers just looked like awkward unfunny shit, would have been the same if it were a bunch of guys or guys and gals or whatever. The jokes weren't funny.

Rey's shitty character was just exemplary of a greater problem with The Force Awakens which is that the writing itself was trash.

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Or how horribly scripted she was. Why are Rey haters automatically labeled sexist by the leftist mob?

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JBaLLEN66 posted...

Why are Rey haters automatically labeled sexist by the leftist mob?

Because people would rather write each other off as one-dimensional villains than actually consider a different perspective.

Hexenherz posted...

Not watching the video but as someone who didn't really like any of the new characters outside of like that X-wing pilot guy in 7 (I only saw 7), I really hate when people just disregard what I have to say about the characters in the movie as "misogynistic".

So the only character you liked from the new movies was the white male with a completely uninteresting personality?
I'm not claiming any of the other characters were much better, but he certainly didn't stand out among the rest of the cast.

I made it 19 seconds in and had to stop. oops

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In fairness, I feel like a lot of people would be singing the characters praises if it were a guy because theres absolutely a good amount of people who see her and get themselves all bent out of shape because girl power >__>

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Poster has overarching opinion on trilogy after seeing only one movie.

More at 11.

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rexcrk posted...

In fairness, I feel like a lot of people would be singing the characters praises if it were a guy because theres absolutely a good amount of people who see her and get themselves all bent out of shape because girl power >__>

Even if it was true, I wouldnt do this. Ive never liked Superman because hes just an op piece of crap lol

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googs19 posted...

So the only character you liked from the new movies was the white male with a completely uninteresting personality?
I'm not claiming any of the other characters were much better, but he certainly didn't stand out among the rest of the cast.

To be completely honest the only reason I even remotely liked him is because he was only in maybe two or three minutes of the whole movie. If he had more screen presence and they tried to develop him more then I would have probably hated him like the rest of the characters.

If an analogy is needed, it's like baking cookies. They put all the other cookies in the oven at 800 and left them sit overnight. Nasty. This one they put in at 350 but only for a couple minutes so it was undercooked but I'd rather eat undercooked than totally fried to a crisp.

ALSO I thought he was Hispanic? At least the real-life actor is, not pretending to know who the character was supposed to represent.

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biggest issue is she had no character development. she went from not being a jedi to having all the skills in no time at all. compare it to luke in the original movies, where he was pretty much a schizophrenic hearing voices in the first movie, a novice too big for his britches that gets his ass beat in the second, and a middling skilled jedi in the third who still loses the fight but wins everything through the art of talking.

rey would have been a better character if she faced some actual roadblocks in her development, i get the feeling that someone during production declared that a woman getting her ass beat on camera wouldn't be good optics though so it just never happened.

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I think many fans just want to paint everyone who doesn't like Rey or TLJ as bigots because of the number of haters that are like that. It's obviously not true and it's like saying everyone who likes the above is a super fanboy/girl who likes it just because it's Star Wars or for whatever silly reason. That's also obviously not true, but there are many who are like that just like bigoted haters on the other side.

Basically, generalizations are bad.

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RaulJenkins posted...

I made it 19 seconds in and had to stop. oops

This is what I expect of people who aren't truly interested in hearing the depth and nuances of an opinion they don't like. "As soon as one little thing mildly annoyed me, I turned it off and never looked back lolol"

l0gic posted...

This is what I expect of people who aren't truly interested in hearing the depth and nuances of an opinion they don't like. "As soon as one little thing mildly annoyed me, I turned it off and never looked back lolol"

no it's because it was the Critical Drinker and he sucks

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googs19 posted...

So the only character you liked from the new movies was the white male with a completely uninteresting personality?
I'm not claiming any of the other characters were much better, but he certainly didn't stand out among the rest of the cast.

Oscar Isaac is Guatemalan. That's pretty diverse actually. Daisy Ridley is from the UK.

There's lots of boring, badly written male characters in beloved franchises. Few if any get the level of vitriol she does. There's an extra element of sexism there, it's been obvious to see since the first movie.

I've never seen more people feel the need to write dissertations on why a specific character is the death of fiction and why they're definitely not sexist.

That said, the character is boring and not well thought out. She inspires little girls though, so that's worth something.

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RaulJenkins posted...

no it's because it was the Critical Drinker and he sucks

He gives very thoughtful analyses that are laden with great points. What makes him suck? I don't even always agree with him, but I still often see where he's coming from.

legendary_zell posted...

There's lots of boring, badly written male characters in beloved franchises. Few if any get the level of vitriol she does. There's an extra element of sexism there, it's been obvious to see since the first movie.

I've never seen more people feel the need to write dissertations on why a specific character is the death of fiction and why they're definitely not sexist.

That said, the character is boring and not well thought out. She inspires little girls though, so that's worth something.

nobody is comparing star wars to those shit series though, they're comparing star wars to star wars. people shit all over anakin from the prequel trilogy.

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monkmith posted...

nobody is comparing star wars to those shit series though, they're comparing star wars to star wars. people shit all over anakin from the prequel trilogy.

Also that lol, people straight up hate the *actor* who played Anakin, not just the character himself.

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legendary_zell posted...

She inspires little girls though, so that's worth something.

Girls deserve a better-written role model than Rey. And modern Mulan, for that matter.

It's true. You don't get this backlash when you see "gifted" males. There are so many male heroes that are just good at stuff with little or no training, and nobody bats an eye.

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l0gic posted...

He gives very thoughtful analyses that are laden with great points

I disagree completely

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RaulJenkins posted...

I disagree completely

What are some videos of his that you didn't like, and why?

It's just the lazy whining by 'progressives'

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RaulJenkins posted...

I disagree completely

I mean, you're entitled to that thought, but you're currently 0-3 in this topic thus far and haven't really explained why.

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And this is why the Star Wars fandom is the worst fandom in the world. Congrats.

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l0gic posted...

What are some videos of his that you didn't like, and why?

Midsommar review, Watchmen episode 1 review and Black Panther review stand out as particularly bad. he won't shut up about SJWs, pandering and his interpretation of wokeness in media. he's a one trick pony and he's boring to listen to


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Vicious_Dios posted...

I mean, you're entitled to that thought, but you're currently 0-3 in this topic thus far and haven't really explained why.

?????

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RaulJenkins posted...

Critical Drinker and he sucks

This. Tagging TC appropriately.

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Hexenherz posted...

Also that lol, people straight up hate the *actor* who played Anakin, not just the character himself.

People did, and that was a different type of toxicity that shouldn't be condoned either. There can be multiple types and the Rey character has faced one based on sexism.

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To date, I have not read one complaint about Jyn.

Oh goodie a YT video

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Yeah I am not condoning harassment of actual people, just saying that people ignore how the fanbase reacted to Anakin, too.

legendary_zell posted...

There can be multiple types and the Rey character has faced one based on sexism.

And that might be the case, but it is also not fair to dismiss *all* criticisms of the character as "sexist".

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FortuneCookie posted...

To date, I have not read one complaint about Jyn.

I mean she like every other character in Rogue One isn't bad per se just underdeveloped and bland

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Jyn is the character the main series should have had. She was the best Star Wars protagonist since Luke.

Admittedly, that doesn't mean a whole lot. But still.

FortuneCookie posted...

Jyn is the character the main series should have had. She was the best Star Wars protagonist since Luke.

Wtf lol

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Hexenherz posted...

Yeah I am not condoning harassment of actual people, just saying that people ignore how the fanbase reacted to Anakin, too.

And that might be the case, but it is also not fair to dismiss *all* criticisms of the character as "sexist".

I'm not, I called the character boring and poorly planned myself in this topic. But the character, tone, and extent of the criticism has been notable from day one. There have been running battles on the internet about whether Rey is a Mary Sue, since her first and best portrayal in TFA.


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Doom_Art posted...

Wtf lol

Up until that point, the only protagonists had been Luke and Anakin Skywalker. You can't tell me in earnest that Anakin was a better protagonist.

I can easily tell you either is better considering Jyn is dull as dishwater lol

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Honestly my main issue with the new movie series was that it was structured like a "serious" shounen anime complete with power asspulls from every which way, and the main cast was usually overshadowed by the side characters who were promptly forgotten/killed/given like a total of 5 minutes of screen time.

They were merch bait movies and little else. They didn't really advance anything. They introduced new characters that were "stronger" than all the old ones. They all had some marketing focused feature.

Meanwhile the mandalorian manages to pull off being both decent and having merch bait so idk what tire fire happened in production for the movies.

googs19 posted...

So the only character you liked from the new movies was the white male with a completely uninteresting personality?
I'm not claiming any of the other characters were much better, but he certainly didn't stand out among the rest of the cast.

uh poe was hispanic and i think maybe gay

But to yout point, yea Adam Driver was the only good new character
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RaulJenkins posted...

Midsommar review, Watchmen episode 1 review and Black Panther review stand out as particularly bad. he won't shut up about SJWs, pandering and his interpretation of wokeness in media. he's a one trick pony and he's boring to listen to

So are you saying that his criticisms were unfair and/or unfounded in those videos? Did he not make worthwhile points about the storytelling, characterizations, etc.?

l0gic posted...

are you saying that his criticisms were unfair and/or unfounded in those videos?

When you waste time bitching about sjws and wokeness "ruining" media then any other observations you make can safely be tossed out

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l0gic posted...

So are you saying that his criticisms were unfair and/or unfounded in those videos? Did he not make worthwhile points about the storytelling, characterizations, etc.?

I could probably recall a few good points he makes, but I could do that with any content creator. the good gets completely overshadowed and drowned out by the constant whining he does regarding things being woke. that's why I think he sucks

also his 7 minute rant on Brie Larson joining YouTube is simultaneously one of the funniest and most painful things I've ever seen (I only watched the first 3 minutes though, to be fair)

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Squall28 posted...

It's true. You don't get this backlash when you see "gifted" males. There are so many male heroes that are just good at stuff with little or no training, and nobody bats an eye.

Also yeah. Most of the stuff about Rey being really good at random stuff is pretty much in the same ballpark as Luke being able to pilot military equipment with no experience. It's complete nonsense, but I didn't care about it when I was like 9 years old, and I refuse to care that it now, because I don't want to dislike Star Wars for another important reason that someone else gave me.

Really, people are seeing the movie through the lens of Mary Sues and being extra critical about character development, and other such rubbish, which wasn't the lens they view the original Star Wars through, nor should it have been, because you get less out of the movie for doing so. And I know this is the case, because honestly I went through my stunted adolescent phase of not liking Star Wars for several of these reasons.

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Doom_Art posted...

I can easily tell you either is better considering Jyn is dull as dishwater lol

A dishwasher is better than a sandhater.

And did we even see the same movie?

legendary_zell posted...

I'm not, I called the character boring and poorly planned myself in this topic. But the character, tone, and extent of the criticism has been notable from day one. There have been running battles on the internet about whether Rey is a Mary Sue, since her first and best portrayal in TFA.

If Rey's best portrayal was in TFA then my decision to ignore the following two movies seems justified lol.

Also want to just make it abundantly clear, I had a lot of problems with episode 7. Rey was just one aspect of that. Finn's character was also stupid, and the whole premise for TFA was terribly presented considering it was meant to be a reboot and continuation of a decades old film series.

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FortuneCookie posted...

And did we even see the same movie?

The last half hour of Rogue One tricked you into thinking the rest of the movie was good

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