Current Events > Good video explaining the problems with "CRT" and "Wokeness"

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M_Live posted...

I've literally never heard of CRT outside of CE lol

Fox News picked it up last year and ran it hard to the point where right-wingers were making up shit about it and the proponents of CRT just to shoot down those arguments. Very disingenuous shit.

WaPo did a study of it; something like, in July this year alone they made more references to CRT than in the entirety of 2020.

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Hexenherz posted...

Again, he talks about *other perspectives* that can be used, but he doesn't describe what those perspectives are or how they can complement something such as CRT

Well that sounds quite familiar. Reminds me of a topic yesterday where a certain user felt we needed something apart from "government" in order to "work together" but he never even bothered to qualify what such a system would entail.

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CRT, wokeness and cancel culture are three distinct concepts. It sounds as if he's trying to make one big strawman out of them

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I imagine he's cashing in on the right-wing circus, much like Jordan Peterson did. Right-wingers pay a lot to have people with the right "credentials" saying the things they like.

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I have not and will not watch the video, but is my assumption that this guy's voice is extremely irritating to listen to correct?

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Compsognathus posted...

I have not and will not watch the video, but is my assumption that this guy's voice is extremely irritating to listen to correct?

I gave him three seconds and his voice is fine.

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Compsognathus posted...

I have not and will not watch the video, but is my assumption that this guy's voice is extremely irritating to listen to correct?

Probably. Hell if I'm dignifying him with a click to find out.

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This topic is giving me Pim Tool vibes. Like someone on this board seriously tried selling me on him because I mentioned I'd never heard of him, like "oh he's a leftist but he criticizes the left, he's a well-rounded left leaning moderate" at one point. Before that, just before he rightfully became a laughingstock, some fuckface did the same thing with Ben Shapiro.

When I hear some fucking tool go "good video explaining [right wing talking point of the month], really insightful, goes into all the points and establishes a well-rounded point of view", I can't trust that shit because there are people on this board who've said the same thing about Ben Shapiro and Tim Pool who've turned out to instantly be massive shitstains. There's a really insidious cloying nature to it that seems to appeal to reasonably critical users, with the idea that it's a more moderate take on the issue and that taking it on board gives you a more robust take on the topic. Appealing to a person's better nature by going "well you can't make an objective judgement call until you take this point of view into account", even if the point of view is fallacious and full of shit.

You know they're trying to funnel you towards one of these alt-right shitstains because it's always whatever flavour of the month right-wing sticking point that they're going on about, that they're trying to sell a "moderate" viewpoint on. Wokeness has been a constant right-wing talking point for a couple of years now, and critical race theory is a recent topic they've chosen to bastardize until it doesn't mean anything any more - like whatever this take is, it's almost certainly some alt-right shit, because the topics chosen are the sort of shit that gets a lot of engagement in alt-right spaces. Marrying the two is a no-brainer in that context. It's preaching to the choir, but users like TC will dress it up as moderate.

I think the real goal of it is to try and legitimise the right-wing point of view as a genuine good-faith argument, something worth taking on board as a valid counterpoint to whatever the left is saying about it - which it usually never is, or is tangential at best or some shit like that. And that lays the groundwork for these disingenuous grifting fucks to start with their ideological poison.

It's the principle behind "redpilling" - legitimise one shitty, flawed point of view in the eyes of a reasonable and self-assured person who doesn't want to be wrong, and you're opening the doors for whatever warped take on reality these fuckfaces have lined up next as long as it's congruent with the last nugget they fed you.

When posters like TC try to drop this shit, it's always a fucking trap.

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Compsognathus posted...

I have not and will not watch the video, but is my assumption that this guy's voice is extremely irritating to listen to correct?

It's not irritating just boring.

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CRT is yesterday's news. The right wing media has already moved on to the next boogeyman, vaccinations.

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MrMallard posted...

This topic is giving me Pim Tool vibes. Like someone on this board seriously tried selling me on him because I mentioned I'd never heard of him, like "oh he's a leftist but he criticizes the left, he's a well-rounded left leaning moderate" at one point. Before that, just before he rightfully became a laughingstock, some fuckface did the same thing with Ben Shapiro.

When I hear some fucking tool go "good video explaining [right wing talking point of the month], really insightful, goes into all the points and establishes a well-rounded point of view", I can't trust that shit because there are people on this board who've said the same thing about Ben Shapiro and Tim Pool who've turned out to instantly be massive shitstains. There's a really insidious cloying nature to it that seems to appeal to reasonably critical users, with the idea that it's a more moderate take on the issue and that taking it on board gives you a more robust take on the topic. Appealing to a person's better nature by going "well you can't make an objective judgement call until you take this point of view into account", even if the point of view is fallacious and full of shit.

You know they're trying to funnel you towards one of these alt-right shitstains because it's always whatever flavour of the month right-wing sticking point that they're going on about, that they're trying to sell a "moderate" viewpoint on. Wokeness has been a constant right-wing talking point for a couple of years now, and critical race theory is a recent topic they've chosen to bastardize until it doesn't mean anything any more - like whatever this take is, it's almost certainly some alt-right shit, because the topics chosen are the sort of shit that gets a lot of engagement in alt-right spaces. Marrying the two is a no-brainer in that context. It's preaching to the choir, but users like TC will dress it up as moderate.

I think the real goal of it is to try and legitimise the right-wing point of view as a genuine good-faith argument, something worth taking on board as a valid counterpoint to whatever the left is saying about it - which it usually never is, or is tangential at best or some shit like that. And that lays the groundwork for these disingenuous grifting fucks to start with their ideological poison.

It's the principle behind "redpilling" - legitimise one shitty, flawed point of view in the eyes of a reasonable and self-assured person who doesn't want to be wrong, and you're opening the doors for whatever warped take on reality these fuckfaces have lined up next as long as it's congruent with the last nugget they fed you.

When posters like TC try to drop this shit, it's always a fucking trap.

You forgot joenumbnuts' hero Jordan Peterson.

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I think it's been proven that the "CRT controversy" was started by one random Republican journalist and spread from there

Background_Guy posted...

I think it's been proven that the "CRT controversy" was started by one random Republican journalist and spread from there

yeah. I linked an article about it on the first page

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Didn't watch the video.

All children should be taught to oppose this country on the grounds of its treatment of racial minorities, which might be CRT, or it might be something even worse to conservatives, and also media should be more "woke" because apparently that's good too. Goodbye.

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joe40001 posted...

But it's a video where he describes this thing we don't have a great word for. Some people call it "CRT" some people call it "wokeness" or "cancel culture".

People like you , use CRT,Woke, and Cancel culture, like people use to use Political correctness a few years ago. If it something lefter then Trump then it is on of those things, doesn't matter what it is.

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12 minutes in and I'm just not really sure this guy even understands what he's saying.

At the risk of hating myself, at 1:05 Ben Shapiro here has a much more accurate, concise, and understood definition of Critical Race Theory.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwgsbZ1MsAE

Pay close attention to that part, "Neutral systems are racist"

Stop and frisk: no mention of race anywhere in the law. Black people still stopped 10x more often.
https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/aclu-analysis-dc-stop-and-frisk-data-reveals-ineffective-policing-troubling-racial

Black & Latino almost always sentenced harsher than white people of the same status for the same crime (and more):
https://www.opensocietyfoundations.org/publications/racial-disparity-sentencing

Minority children disproportionately represented in foster care & child welfare systems:
https://www.ncsl.org/research/human-services/disproportionality-and-race-equity-in-child-welfare.aspx

I could go on forever here but at the end of the day there's no denying CRT is a sound fundamental for how to examine racism baked into our society even as we look at things that ostensibly are not supposed to even factor in race.

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WeeWeiWiiWie posted...

I imagine he's cashing in on the right-wing circus, much like Jordan Peterson did. Right-wingers pay a lot to have people with the right "credentials" saying the things they like.

Especially if they are black.

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The main point to grasp from the 10 minutes I sped through (played at x2) is that CRT academic discourse to the point where people are socially shamed and attacked for having any alternate, much less opposing perspectives to the CRT ideology. It has become a religion where you're expected to adhere to it and you're an outcast if you don't in academia. You can see the consequences of this ideology's dominance in joe's last topic of his alma matter spending $50K to remove a boulder because some students complained it was offensive on the basis of some news article decades ago referencing it in a derogatory manner regarding black folks in the area. And now McWhorter is claiming they're challenging physics to allow and encourage subjective answers instead of physics being solely objectively.

soulunison2 posted...

They dont even teach CRT in schools lmao

That's what they want to ensure. We just had a topic several months back on parents being insanely critical against a school administration as they were considering teaching CRT in schools. Posters were laughing at them as a number of parents could not accurately define CRT.

Error1355 posted...

Does anyone even watch the videos in topics that are like "here's a lengthy video of some random-ass person stating a political opinion I agree with, discuss".

I will do full topic and write up before I post my Cryptographic Truth video next time. Thank you for the advice.

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Godnorgosh posted...

This guy seems like a bit of a nut

What? That is perfectly rational and exactly what has happened in the United States. Don't you remember in the early 90s when all those anti-racists were going around not hanging majorities from trees. It wasn't a bloodbath anywhere in the streets! It wasn't madness at all!
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Catho Ray Tubes? >_>

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joe40001 posted...

I guess I don't want to wrongly put words into his mouth because he does a better job describing it that I can.

But it's a video where he describes this thing we don't have a great word for. Some people call it "CRT" some people call it "wokeness" or "cancel culture". But whatever it is called he does a really good job of summing up what it is in a way palatable and understandable to the types that I think would often dismiss the existence of such a problem.

He has a way of communicating clearly that goes from one thing to another so it's not as clipable to share, but honestly I think if people just watched a few minutes of it they'd get a much better sense of what people are talking about when they talk about this kind of issue.

Obviously not if you are unable to articulate his points back.
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Sad_Face posted...

The main point to grasp from the 10 minutes I sped through (played at x2) is that CRT academic discourse to the point where people are socially shamed and attacked for having any alternate, much less opposing perspectives to the CRT ideology.

that... is a lie.

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averagejoel posted...

that... is a lie.

I have him tagged as Qanon Stooge, so it doesn't surprise me to hear that he's lying about shit.

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MrMallard posted...

I have him tagged as Qanon Stooge, so it doesn't surprise me to hear that he's lying about shit.

I assumed that his description of the video was accurate. I mean that, if it is, the person in the video is lying

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MrMallard posted...

I have him tagged as Qanon Stooge, so it doesn't surprise me to hear that he's lying about s***.

You can watch the bloody video to verify my post and you'll hear the same thing. "CRT dominates this discourse and it has gotten to the point where the new generation is religious about it and will discourage and shame any opposing views".

Takes 5 minutes to do so.

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Sad_Face posted...

You can watch the bloody video to verify my post and you'll hear the same thing.

Fair enough. I misinterpreted the post I quoted, so I apologize for making a comment about you that was uncalled for given the circumstances.

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MrMallard posted...

Fair enough. I misinterpreted the post I quoted, so I apologize for making a comment about you that was uncalled for given the circumstances.

Thank you, that is quite humble of you. Honestly I don't understand how else someone is supposed to interpret averagejoel's comment other than how you interpreted it, hence why I ignored it.

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Sad_Face posted...

Thank you, that is quite humble of you. Honestly I don't understand how else someone is supposed to interpret averagejoel's comment other than how you interpreted it, hence why I ignored it.

the point, as you described it, is false information

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averagejoel posted...

the point, as you described it, is false information

So you're calling the authenticity McWhorter's claim into question? Alright, now that makes more sense. Why do you say this?

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Sad_Face posted...

So you're calling the authenticity McWhorter's claim into question? Alright, now that makes more sense. Why do you say this?

first, because Critical Race Theory isn't an "ideology"

second, because people are not "socially shamed and attacked for having any alternate, much less opposing perspectives" to it

edit: those aren't the only pieces of false information in your summary of the video. they're just the first ones

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justaguy3492 posted...

I mean the fact that Joe numbers is even allowed here after all the covid misinformation is nutty, but yeah not much mods can do about this particular shit topic.

our hands are tied is the go to claim for the mod staff for anything thats right wing nowadays.

anti vaxx mod spews legit conspiracy shit and nothing happened besides the mods closing every topic talking about them.

there are definitely lead mods/admins who share those same opinions, because the only time they ever do anything is when it gets to the point the website could be sued.

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Smackems posted...

I still have a crt and I'm woke I can't sleep for shit it's 6 in the fuckin morning

they just don't make televisions like they used to

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I guess trolling about covid is too risky for TC now so he had to switch it up.

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TheRadiant posted...

I guess trolling about covid is too risky for TC now so he had to switch it up.

Joenumbers in shambles.

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TheRadiant posted...

I guess trolling about covid is too risky for TC now so he had to switch it up.

Nah he had a giant meltdown yesterday about ivermectin and wasnt even modded for it

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Also id love to see either joenumbers or the qanoner explain what they think CRT is lmao

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Cancel culture doesn't even exist

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hockeybub89 posted...

Cancel culture doesn't even exist

Oh it exists, only it comes from the side thats always screaming about it

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So summary of those 10 minutes TC suggests because nobody else is going to provide one

• Suggestion that universities are against free speech
• This is wrong - we can never have a complete dedication to free speech - some things are just not going to be discussed
• Some things "should never come up in a classroom" and some people feel persecuted by their ideas not being given a proper attention - and this isn't a particlarly useful way to address these issues.
• Pretends CRT is more than conservative culture war BS
• Defines CRT as "power Differentials should be the only thing we focus on in America (in this case, racial power differentials)
• Whites in America are on top and there are systemic issues unjustly pushing down non-white people
• Power differentials is not a single thing you can directly address - but CRT says these differentials need to be front and center.
• If you study literature - the more interesting thing is its implications for power differentials NOTHING ELSE (this is absolutely BS) and the only things schools these days focus on
• "popular idea" that music theory is white supremacists' (legit never heard this before). There's apparently some academic who has argued that Beethoven is only just okay and the fact that he's arguing that is somehow a problem.
• "Look at history" and frame history as supremacist and pretends that all of American Hstory has been about oppressing Black people (though he admits that's a pretty big part)
• Argues wokeness is pushing power differentials above any other analysis
• Claims woke-ness is a religion - if you don't agree with Racial power differentials being the only acceptable way of looking at something you're a bad person (who TF says this?)

I'm a little iffy here, because even the part of "some things are not going to be discussed" is a arbitrary line he makes up.

His definition of CRT also suggests he doesn't actually know what CRT is. CRT is a LENS which means when you look at a topic from this perspective you are literally looking at the racially focused power differentials. It doesn't mean this is the only acceptable option, its just another way of reading the topic.

But he also clearly understands the topic, because he uses an example of a class he took as a student and his teacher explaining potentially problematic themes in "My Fair Lady" - which he credits as a GOOD THING. But for some reason doing that now is bad.

Not to mention CRT isn't being treated as the only way of addressing things, by anyone except right-wing reactionaries. So his central argument just doesn't work.

If you want the conservative reactionary definition of CRT, this is pretty solid, but he's still wrong, because the conservative definition of CRT is an excuse to cover up their own racism/sexism/whatever they do people don't like.

Proto_Spark posted...

Suggestion that universities are against free speech

This one's always funny given the current efforts from the right to clamp down on academic freedom and free speech in the academy and education at large.

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The problem with CRT is that it's standard definition. It's worth having at least one CRT television though if you're into retro gaming and use a light gun.

Proto_Spark posted...

His definition of CRT also suggests he doesn't actually know what CRT is. CRT is a LENS which means when you look at a topic from this perspective you are literally looking at the racially focused power differentials. It doesn't mean this is the only acceptable option, its just another way of reading the topic.

averagejoel posted...

first, because Critical Race Theory isn't an "ideology"

This is what he acknowledged. But what he's arguing is that CRT has dominated and overcentralized the academic discourse (these were words I forgot in my first post at #68) to the point where it has evolved to being treated as the dominant religion that's the norm and they're now attempting to alter physics to allow subjective answers.

Remember, we've gotten to the point where people are constantly looking for reasons to be outraged about as evident by one school removing a boulder because a group of students were outraged that the boulder was referenced in an offensive manner to blacks in a newspaper article from almost a century ago. There has to be an explanation as to why this is acceptable and why a university would spend $50K facilitating their protests.

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Sad_Face posted...

This is what he acknowledged. But what he's arguing is that CRT has dominated and overcentralized the academic discourse (these were words I forgot in my first post at #68) to the point where it has evolved to being treated as the dominant religion that's the norm and they're now attempting to alter physics to allow subjective answers

sure. and that is a lie

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The only problem with CRT and Wokeness is that people like TC won't shut the fuck up about it.

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hockeybub89 posted...

Cancel culture doesn't even exist

Hmm that's odd. Just last night I was scrolling through episodes of Always Sunny on Hulu and there's like 6 episodes that are still missing from the platform because they were "problematic" for people who are too stupid to realize they could just NOT WATCH THE SHOW if they didn't like the content.

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I'm starting to realize why the anime/manga board hates it when someone just drops a +10 min video without giving a tl;dw descriptor of it or something.

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Heavy_D_Forever posted...

Hmm that's odd. Just last night I was scrolling through episodes of Always Sunny on Hulu and there's like 6 episodes that are still missing from the platform because they were "problematic" for people who are too stupid to realize they could just NOT WATCH THE SHOW if they didn't like the content.

Hmm that's odd. Almost like that's a result of the platform and/or creators making a choice and not the mob "canceling them"

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Shezarr posted...

Hmm that's odd. Almost like that's a result of the platform and/or creators making a choice and not the mob "canceling them"

Rob McElhenny the creator of the show has never publicly endorsed those episodes being removed and they are still available to purchase on Amazon Prime Video. Hulu obviously felt pressure from Social Media crying about it and caved in.

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Heavy_D_Forever posted...

Hulu obviously felt pressure from Social Media crying about it and caved in.

Yes, "obviously." That's what that word means. Couldn't be that Hulu made the proactive decision on this one, whether you agree with that decision or not.

And cool. Even if you think this is "cancel culture," then "cancel culture" from the left results in what, a few episodes of TV being wrongfully removed from a streaming platform? Cancel culture from the right results in people losing their jobs or being harassed or potentially killed.

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WeeWeiWiiWie posted...

Why do you think you only get super stoked about "controversies" that get super popular in right-wing circles?

Now I'm looking forward to joe"more liberal than most people here"40001 excitedly posting about progressive left wins

Doubt that will happen for some reason, but then again he did shoot Liberals Cry Twice

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