Current Events > US Cop who killed Australian woman had his murder verdict reversed

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metallica846 posted...

You can draw your weapon, point and fire, and it still be manslaughter. Like in this instance for example.

Not by the legal definition of manslaughter, but you're aware of that and you're just trolling to defend this objectively bad outcome.

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https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/609.195

(a) Whoever, without intent to effect the death of any person, causes the death of another by perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life, is guilty of murder in the third degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 25 years.

This is indisputably murder. The "justices" that reversed this decision need to be removed.

TheOtherMike posted...

https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/609.195

This is indisputably murder. The "justices" that reversed this decision need to be removed.

@metallica846

You never provided MN definition of murder like this poster did - do you still stand by your opinion that it was manslaughter? If so is there similar precedent to support it?

Wasn't that the Somali cop?

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metallica846 posted...

Manslaughter is an unlawful killing that doesn't involve malice aforethoughtintent to seriously harm or kill, or extreme, reckless disregard for life. ... In the state of Minnesota, manslaughter can be defined as a crime of extreme passion or negligence.

So you believe drawing your weapon, aiming, firing without being in danger... is negligence? Again do you have precedent to support this? A case where someone (not necessarily a cop) was found guilty of manslaughter and not murder in similar circumstances? Because the definition of murder *doesn't* require intent to kill (post 52). Depraved indifference sure seems to apply here..

metallica846 posted...

The officer testified to believing it was an ambush. He also said it was a mistake and he was premature in firing his weapon. I dont believe he had depraved indifference, I believe he was spooked and shot his gun negligently. Aka manslaughter.

Again, I'm asking you for proof beyond "I believe he was this mental state and not the other" - he is free to claim what he wants but "believing it was an ambush" doesn't mean he was justified in drawing his gun, as there are many procedures for such situations.
On a similar but distinct thread - you believe this falls under negligence? Because that sets a HUGE gulf for negligence.. there was a lot of active elements here, whereas negligence is.. not doing things (the definition of the word)

Australia should go to war with us. If we can't fix our police problem, maybe more progressive countries should.

metallica846 posted...

Really not sure what you want here. Im simply using his testimony. Thats all the proof anyone has.

A) I'm asking you (as I asked a few times before) for precedent where this falls under manslaughter. We had Botham Jean's killer claim she thought it was an ambush but was found guilty of murder.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Botham_Jean
B) I'm also asking you to support your belief of his statement given that his partner didn't act in the same way. Also, this from the article
"However, prosecutors urged the Minnesota Supreme Court to uphold the third-degree murder conviction, saying that nearly all killings by officers are directed at a specific person.
"If you maintain that a person cannot be convicted of third-degree murder if their actions are directed at a particular person, there is not going to be an officer-involved shooting that can be prosecuted under Minnesota's depraved-mind murder statute," Hennepin County prosecutor Jean Burdorf said during oral arguments in June."
C) The new question I posed was why you believe this falls into negligence... because generally negligent is firing accidentally while not aiming at someone etc. Here there were a LOT of active steps Noor took ...

Totally progressive metallica from the totally progressive former MAGA owner discord making some totally necessary and progressive points

metallica846 posted...

Im listening to Bob Dylan right now.

I'd imagine so. He is your hero.

Bill Cosby was not guilty.

I too enjoy some Bob Dylan from time to time.

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metallica846 posted...

Really not sure what you want here. Im simply using his testimony. Thats all the proof anyone has.

Thats the problem with treating this like manslaughter. Any shooting murder could be waved away as unintentional by the shooter if were going to take their word on what they intended.

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