Current Events > Meat eaters experience lower levels of depression and anxiety compared to vegans

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this thread just makes me a bit upset tbh
look im a meat eater and I'm also a supporter of sustainable dolphin/whale hunting for cultural reasons.

when that faroe news broke about them killing 1k pilot whales on the beach i saw A LOT of animosity from other fellow meat eaters. That shit is so hypocritical. made me realize that meat eaters are just too damn inconsistent with their ideologies.

I respect vegans way more as I believe they are in a much better position to be upset over animal abuse and they usually stick to their morals.

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Strider102 posted...

That explains my happiness as I bite into a delicious cheeseburger.

Yessir

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Ratchetrockon posted...

meat eaters are just too damn inconsistent with their ideologies.

I seem to recall a peta billboard making the social media rounds with animals on it and "where do you draw the line". One one side you had a dog and cat, the other was a cow and pig.

The best response was the one that outlined different lines for disaster situations.

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Reminder that PETA trespasses onto people's properties to kidnap and euthanize children's pets.

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Ignorance is bliss, etc

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i love being natural, that's why i base my diet around pills created by pharmaceutical companies

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Guerrilla Soldier posted...

i love being natural, that's why i base my diet around pills created by pharmaceutical companies

yeah but those only hurt animals during testing

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Guerrilla Soldier posted...

i love being natural, that's why i base my diet around pills created by pharmaceutical companies

Lorkhaj posted...

Yes, taking a fucking multivitamin is "replacing a lot of your diet with pills" lmao. Good grief.

And to add onto that, veganism isn't about "being natural." Funny anyways, since appeals to nature are the typical carnist playbook.

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thronedfire2 posted...

yeah but those only hurt animals during testing

Are you under the impression that most vitamins, especially vitamin brands specifically catering to vegans, are testing on animals?

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Revnir posted...

Meat eaters don't give a fuck. Generally, people who don't give a fuck have less anxiety than people who try to make the world a better place.

They hated him because he spoke the truth

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to absolutely no ones surprise

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Irony posted...

Reminder that PETA trespasses onto people's properties to kidnap and euthanize children's pets.

They also support the terrorist group Animal Liberation Front.

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Crazyman93 posted...

They also support the terrorist group Animal Liberation Front.

bro meat eaters were supporting Sea Shepherd lmao

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Esrac posted...

Nobody wants to eat your disgusting, dystopian cockroach protein gel bars.

take your pills, sweaty

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NeonOctopus posted...

I love meat in my mouth. It feels so good

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Crazyman93 posted...

They also support the terrorist group Animal Liberation Front.

I didn't like PETA before but I do now

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if you other meat eaters support sustainable dolphin/whale hunting them you are ok in my book (this includes faroe pilot whale hunting which is sustainable)

vegans are ok in my book as well.

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s0nicfan posted...

It's almost like humans evolved as omnivores over hundreds of thousands of years.

Shhh the vegans dont like science, history and the facts of our evolution as a species.

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SSJPurple posted...

Shhh the vegans dont like science, history and the facts of our evolution as a species.

if you truly want to live like our ancestors you wouldn't be using the internet. also if you were truly a science fanatic you'd understand that correlation does not equal causation even the article states that.

anyways it seems like people don't really need to eat meat these days. all of the nutrients from meat can be consumed from pills these days. protein can be had from protein powders or nuts i guess.

btw do you support sustainable whale/dolphin hunting?

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Ratchetrockon posted...

if you truly want to live like our ancestors you wouldn't be using the internet

can you point me to the part where I said that?

F*** that. My point is humans eventually learning to hunt and fish played a huge roll in our survival and growth as a species.

Im all for technological advancements and doing whats good for us and our planet however the idea that our entire species can just go vegan overnight is unrealistic and not even viable for everybody.

Being able to switch to healthy all vegan diet is a privilege.

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SSJPurple posted...

Being able to switch to healthy all vegan diet is a privilege.

For some. Im not giving up all those yummy cheeses
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SSJPurple posted...

can you point me to the part where I said that?

F*** that. My point is humans eventually learning to hunt and fish played a huge roll in our survival and growth as a species.

Im all for technological advancements and doing whats good for us and our planet however the idea that our entire species can just go vegan overnight is unrealistic and not even viable for everybody.

Being able to switch to healthy all vegan diet is a privilege.

it seems like people in poverty can go on a vegetarian diet at least. 1/3 of people in india dont eat meat

do you support pilot whale hunting? if you do then ill stop pestering. i am a strong supporter of sustainable dolphin/whale hunting but it seems like a lot of meat-eaters from developed countries have animosity towards it for some reason and it just pisses me off

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Ratchetrockon posted...

it seems like people in poverty can go on a vegetarian diet at least. 1/3 of people in india dont eat meat

do you support pilot whale hunting? if you do then ill stop pestering. i am a strong supporter of sustainable dolphin/whale hunting but it seems like a lot of meat-eaters from developed countries have animosity towards it for some reason and it just pisses me off

Honestly when it comes to India or Whaling I am simply too uninformed to really make a meaningful opinion.

I do know my country has food deserts where even getting fresh vegetables is a challenge so for those people it would be difficult and possibly not even healthier or nutritional. Living off of bread and Ramen is doable, but not exactly healthy.

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SSJPurple posted...

Honestly when it comes to India or Whaling I am simply too uninformed to really make a meaningful opinion.

I do know my country has food deserts where even getting fresh vegetables is a challenge so for those people it would be difficult and possibly not even healthier or nutritional. Living off of bread and Ramen is doable, but not exactly healthy.

Fair enough. I'm no vegetarian or vegan so I'd be a hypocrite making people eat that type of diet. I just want other meat-eaters to be less antagonistic towards sustainable whale hunters >.>

Vegans/Vegetarians can be mad all they want tho and I respect them for that.

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SSJPurple posted...

F*** that. My point is humans eventually learning to hunt and fish played a huge roll in our survival and growth as a species.

Our ability to adapt plays a huge roll in our continued survival, which at one point did include those things. Hunting and fishing were just a means to an end during a time when it was necessary, a time when we had a much smaller population whose actions were far more localized (however, even back then we were wiping out species through over-hunting). Now, there's no way we can hunt wild animals to meet our current demand for meat. There simply aren't enough animals and that's why we have factory farming, which is wildly unsustainable both because of resources required and effects on the environment. Our oceans are over-fished to the point of being dangerously close to depletion, something that will have catastrophic ramifications for our planet. Our ability to adapt to our current situation - which now includes drastically reducing demand for meat - can ensure our survival again.

Im all for technological advancements and doing whats good for us and our planet however the idea that our entire species can just go vegan overnight is unrealistic and not even viable for everybody.

Not a lot of people expect everyone to go vegan overnight, nor do they want anyone to go vegan if it will somehow harm them, and I don't think I've ever seen anyone advocate that starving people go hungry instead of eating animals that are the only thing available to them. What we want is a) for everyone who can do it to honestly examine their habits then change accordingly and b) to overhaul our food systems to be less reliant on animal products so that everyone can eventually can go vegan.

Being able to switch to healthy all vegan diet is a privilege.

So is being able to eat meat on demand. Most humans in the history of this planet have never seen a small fraction of the amount of meat consumed by those in developed nations. As living conditions improve, so does consumption of meat, and we're not talking about people eating every last bit of an animal they raised themselves. A vast majority of meat on this planet comes from factory farmed animals that are presented to the consumer in a tidy package at their convenience.

As conditions get worse for humans, and they will, we'll start to see more of what is the real privilege. Look at the taste of it we got earlier on in the pandemic, when factory farm workers were sacrificed to coronavirus to keep overfed Americans supplied with meat. Privilege, and lunacy.

But privilege isn't necessarily a bad thing. I'm a working class stiff who makes barely above the poverty line from a working class family with nothing but working class friends and I don't know anyone who couldn't eat the diet I do if they really wanted to. I eat whole food plants with very little of the processed stuff. It's extremely affordable and accessible, to the point that I've even been able to grocery shop at the dollar store for my most important items (rice, beans, spices, and canned vegetables) when times were tough. I invested in an instant pot and batch cook a couple of times week when I have a spare moment. I used my privilege to be able to choose my diet to change my privileged habits of eating meat 3x a day.

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Is this account made solely to advocate for a vegetarian diet?
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Sadly doesnt apply to me

OrangeWizard posted...

Is this account made solely to advocate for a vegetarian diet?

No. I dislike modern vegetarianism.

So someone here gives a shit about dolphin and whale hunting

Cool why is that relevant to anything

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PlantBased posted...

No. I dislike modern vegetarianism.

Is this account made solely to advocate for a vegan diet then?
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It makes sense to me.

If you're vegan, you dont only eat non animal products for health reasons, but for caring about life and planet sustainability. Meaning you probably care way too much about everything. Meaning you're already susceptible to anxiety and maybe depression. And the other way round with meat eaters...they're the always confident chads, ignorant of whats wrong around them and dont care.

Also a vegan lifestyle unless supplemented will miss some important minerals and vitamins that could aide in the production of feel good hormones and neuro transmitters.

Also chicken and some other animals have tryptophan which aides in the production of serotonin which makes us feel good and content.

So it makes complete sense to me. Ive also been very anxious all my life and recently have become mostly vegan out of health reasons.

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Gamerguymass posted...

Reality is a bad take?

This has nothing to do with "reality", he literally did the one thing the study told him not to do.
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Is there even any real benefits to cutting meat out of a diet? Humans are omnivores for a reason and a balance is best.

OrangeWizard posted...

Is this account made solely to advocate for a vegan diet then?

No. Advocating for "a vegan diet" is too vague, only describing what one doesn't eat and saying nothing about what they do eat. One person could take that to mean eating nothing but oreos and chocolate almond milk, while another could take it to mean nothing but eating iceberg and tomato salads with no dressing. I support neither of those things.

PlantBased posted...

No. Advocating for "a vegan diet" is too vague, only describing what one doesn't eat and saying nothing about what they do eat. One person could take that to mean eating nothing but oreos and chocolate almond milk, while another could take it to mean nothing but eating iceberg and tomato salads with no dressing. I support neither of those things.

What is your account made to advocate for, then?
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PlantBased posted...

So is being able to eat meat on demand.

Sure. But not eating plant based doesnt always mean just meat. Lots of cheaper foods that arent meat have animal byproducts. And I think theyre usually pretty cheap, AFAIK Which is why it can be a privilege to eat meat or have a plant-based diet

But it also depends on where you live. In the places Ive lived plant based diets are expensive Especially if youre going for the non-processed stuff
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PlantBased posted...

No. Advocating for "a vegan diet" is too vague, only describing what one doesn't eat and saying nothing about what they do eat. One person could take that to mean eating nothing but oreos and chocolate almond milk, while another could take it to mean nothing but eating iceberg and tomato salads with no dressing. I support neither of those things.

@PlantBased please PLEASE change your avatar to the swamp thing


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OrangeWizard posted...

What is your account made to advocate for, then?

Nothing. It's just something I saw on a package of chips I was eating while making this account. It was available. I took it.

Should I make this an advocacy account?

I think the meat distinction doesnt go far enough, personally. If youre eating poultry or fish the majority of the time, its almost a different class of carnivore.

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PlantBased posted...

Nothing. It's just something I saw on a package of chips I was eating while making this account. It was available. I took it.

Should I make this an advocacy account?

It appears that this is practically an advocacy account already, this is why I asked.

Your only active posts have to do with this one topic of a plant-based diet, with your first being a short essay on the subject. You don't appear to have any other interests, judging by your lack of other posts. Plus, your name is obviously linked to this same subject.

So, you might as well.

But it makes think you aren't exactly a "real person", like someone paid you to advocate for these things, so I find myself having a hard time trusting your personal anecdotes, as they are more likely to be made up.
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LinkPizza posted...

Sure. But not eating plant based doesnt always mean just meat. Lots of cheaper foods that arent meat have animal byproducts. And I think theyre usually pretty cheap, AFAIK Which is why it can be a privilege to eat meat or have a plant-based diet

But it also depends on where you live. In the places Ive lived plant based diets are expensive Especially if youre going for the non-processed stuff

There is a lot of nuance on the consumer side of things, which is why I'm not one to tell everyone to go vegan no matter their situation is. I only urge people to examine their circumstances and act accordingly if they want to change. And if they don't, just say so and stop using the limitations of others as a reason for their own choices.

DogOfPeace posted...

@PlantBased please PLEASE change your avatar to the swamp thing

Hah, good idea.

OrangeWizard posted...

It appears that this is practically an advocacy account already, this is why I asked.

Your only active posts have to do with this one topic of a plant-based diet, with your first being a short essay on the subject. You don't appear to have any other interests, judging by your lack of other posts. Plus, your name is obviously linked to this same subject.

So, you might as well.

But it makes think you aren't exactly a "real person", like someone paid you to advocate for these things, so I find myself having a hard time trusting your personal anecdotes, as they are more likely to be made up.

This is the first time I've ever posted about this subject here and the only other times I've posted at all were about an alt-right comedian who likes to race bait and cause problems here.

I don't really know how to respond to the accusation that I'm not a "real person." What do you imagine the person sitting on the other side of your screen typing this to be?

PlantBased posted...

What do you imagine the person sitting on the other side of your screen typing this to be?

I'm not saying you are for certain, but I would treat "single-issue accounts" as potentially being someone paid by an advocacy group or astroturf program to merely spread or argue against a viewpoint.

For example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State-sponsored_Internet_propaganda
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OrangeWizard posted...

I'm not saying you are for certain, but I would treat "single-issue accounts" as potentially being someone paid by an advocacy group or astroturf program to merely spread or argue against a viewpoint.

For example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State-sponsored_Internet_propaganda

I don't know what to do or say to assuage your suspicions.

I do have to ask, though, is there anything you find inherently unbelievable about what I said or is it just because of the perception that I'm a paid shill?

PlantBased posted...

I don't know what to do or say to assuage your suspicions.

You don't have to say anything. It's my problem, not yours.

PlantBased posted...

I do have to ask, though, is there anything you find inherently unbelievable about what I said or is it just because of the perception that I'm a paid shill?

Just the perception.
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SSJPurple posted...

Shhh the vegans dont like science, history and the facts of our evolution as a species.

hahahahahaha oh man.

Also wtf happened ITT

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this stupid topic was settled with the fourth post literally what has happened here jfc

Omnislasher posted...

this stupid topic was settled with the fourth post literally what has happened here jfc

The usual suspects started releasing their pent up sexual tension with each other.

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NeonOctopus posted...

I love meat in my mouth. It feels so good

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Kloe_Rinz posted...

Is there even any real benefits to cutting meat out of a diet? Humans are omnivores for a reason and a balance is best.

Plant-based diets are objectively healthier. Less trans fat, cholesterol, sodium

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TheHoldSteady posted...

Plant-based diets are objectively healthier. Less trans fat, cholesterol, sodium

Factually wrong.

None of the things you mentioned are "bad". They are in big doses of course, but there's nothing healthier than a balanced diet with BOTH vegetables/fruits and meat/protein.

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