Current Events > "If this is what being cancelled feels like, I love it."Dave Chappelle

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Clutch
10/15/21 10:04:06 AM
#152:


CyricZ posted...
Well if you mean "Who is pouring stuff on trans peoples' heads" what you're really asking is...

Who is legislating against trans people?

Who is killing trans people?

I mean I guess it's not "similar". In fact it's quite worse.

Its pretty crazy that someone can look at the history of slavery and Jim Crow and conclude that not being able to use the bathroom you want is quite worse.


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Solid Snake07
10/15/21 10:04:16 AM
#153:


gunplagirl posted...
He went on to say they're white and use white privilege. He said this after mentioning a white lady who called the cops on him. And he finished the special saying LGBT people need to stop punching down on his people.

It's not even a matter of things he said and drawing inferences, it's that it was tacitly implied.


The story was about a gay white man calling the police. And I'm pretty sure the "punching down on my people" line was about comedians, not black people. Since he had just finished saying that he considered his transgender friend to be a part of his tribe(comedians) not theirs.

Seems like you're the one drawing inferences that aren't there and pretty poorly remembering the special you're being so highly critical of.

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RchHomieQuanChi
10/15/21 10:06:01 AM
#154:


CyricZ posted...
Can I save all this and reference it later? It's really good.

Agreed.

Like I said before, he's made some really funny trans jokes. The ones in this special felt like he was feeling the heat from the last few specials and the jokes are noticeably more bitter this time around, which is never a good look for comedy.

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Clutch
10/15/21 10:06:04 AM
#155:


RchHomieQuanChi posted...
Okay....?

Exactly.

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RchHomieQuanChi
10/15/21 10:07:01 AM
#156:


Clutch posted...
Its pretty crazy that someone can look at the history of slavery and Jim Crow and conclude that not being able to use the bathroom you want is quite worse.

You're being very disingenuous if you're claiming the only problem they face is not being able to use the bathroom they want.

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Jaded_Dragon
10/15/21 10:07:17 AM
#157:


Clutch posted...
This is Daves point. Who is doing something similar to this to trans people? Youre equating stand up to Jim Crow, and you see nothing wrong with that.

https://www.hrc.org/news/new-study-reveals-shocking-rates-of-attempted-suicide-among-trans-adolescen

https://www.forbes.com/sites/dawnstaceyennis/2021/05/19/terrible-time-for-trans-youth-new-survey-spotlights-suicide-spike---and-hope/?sh=4ec2cc2f716e

Yeah, they're only being harassed and bullied into suicide at a far higher rate than other people in the same age groups. Are you asserting that because there aren't more stories of transgender people being banned from restaurants that they aren't facing massive discrimination in other ways? FFS people don't want them to be able to use either bathroom and there's legislation in place to force them to have their genitals inspected. What the fuck are you even talking about?

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RchHomieQuanChi
10/15/21 10:08:47 AM
#158:


Clutch posted...
Exactly.

You realize you're talking to a black man right now. I fully understand what's happened to black people in this country and I don't need you to tell me.

But I think we should keep that same energy for all marginalized groups rather than trivializing their problems. Precisely because it sickens me when people do it towards blacks.

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CyricZ
10/15/21 10:08:53 AM
#159:


Clutch posted...
Its pretty crazy that someone can look at the history of slavery and Jim Crow and conclude that not being able to use the bathroom you want is quite worse.
So now it's the Oppression Olympics with you.

Going for another gold are we?

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masterpug53
10/15/21 10:09:24 AM
#160:


Jaded_Dragon posted...
Here's why I truly have a problem defending Chappelle on this one, despite being a big fan of his.

Famously one of the reasons he stopped doing the Chappelle Show was because of this particular sketch that he's speaking on here. In that moment it became clear to him that there were certain people that were no longer laughing with him, but at him, and by extension, at black people. He's talked about this many times over the years since the show ended.

I've always wished that the show kept going, and as a white dude, it really pissed me off that anybody would laugh at Dave and the rest of the guys on the show instead of with them. At the end of the day though, I completely understood and respected his decision to call it quits. This is obviously not the only reason he ended the show, as he also famously gave the "Baboon and the salt" analogy; but this was the very first reason he ever gave as to why he ended the show.

My point is this: if Dave can be so keenly aware of racism that he was able to determine that white people were no longer laughing with him, but at him, and that his jokes were doing more harm than good at that particular moment to the black community; but he doesn't see how punching down on a marginalized community would do the same thing in this instance, well, that's either being purposefully obtuse, or completely ignorant about the situation.

He's either, at best, horrendously misinformed, or at worst, punching down and having no issues with it because it doesn't effect him. IE: he didn't want people laughing at black people, because he's black; but has no issues with people laughing at trans people, because he's not trans.

So which is it? Is he a hypocrite who has no problems making fun of people, as long as he's making fun of people that don't fit his particular demographic; or is everything fair game and he was full of shit for quitting his show when he did, for the reason he did? Because you really can't have it both ways. If you quit your show because you saw the damage your jokes were apparently doing to your own community, but have no issue joking about another marginalized community, then you're full of shit. And if you're fine with the reason he gave as to why he left his show, but also don't see a problem at making jokes at the expense of trans people, then you are also full of shit, because Chappelle is literally saying "I'm fine with making fun of everyone except for ME!" to the point where he walked away from $60 million dollars.

This man literally cancelled himself because he felt like his jokes were painting black people in a bad light, but trans people are fair game? All I'm asking for is consistency. If he felt like his jokes were punching down on black people and stopped, then why should punching down on an even more marginalized community be OK with him or anyone else? Either marginalized communities are off limits for jokes because jokes have the potential to be damaging to a community, or they aren't. Pick one.

Well spoken.

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gunplagirl
10/15/21 10:11:54 AM
#161:


Solid Snake07 posted...
Are you talking about the "I knew your father and he was a wonderful woman?" line?

Because it's pretty humorously absurd that someone who identified as woman is the biological father to child? Also felt like tongue in cheek hat tipping tribute to his dead friend, who was also a comedian.
That's not absurd unless you have a narrow idea of what parenthood is. She was the sperm donating parent, she's still a mother.

SoggyBottomBoy posted...
Explain why its okay for you to erase other trans peoples existence when its convenient for your argument.
You never answered my question, and as your question is not to clarify anything about my question it is invalid. Learn to have a discussion.

Moreover, if you're going to accuse me, the person who keeps mentioning trans people, of erasing trans people? You'd better have some fucking examples ready.

As such, I will block you barring your next post at or mentioning me both answering my question AND providing examples with definitive evidence. That is to say, nothing that you merely inferred.

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Solid Snake07
10/15/21 10:14:35 AM
#162:


gunplagirl posted...
That's not absurd unless you have a narrow idea of what parenthood is. She was the sperm donating parent, she's still a mother.


As I said earlier, you don't have to like the joke. But the intention of the joke was pretty clearly not to be negative or hateful.

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CyricZ
10/15/21 10:15:36 AM
#163:


Solid Snake07 posted...
But the intention of the joke was pretty clearly not to be negative or hateful.
That's your interpretation.

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gunplagirl
10/15/21 10:19:43 AM
#164:


Solid Snake07 posted...
As I said earlier, you don't have to like the joke. But the intention of the joke was pretty clearly not to be negative or hateful.
Intent does not negate harm.

If Jim Bobford drives drunk from the bar, he's just intending to get home. He never intended to swerve and hit a family that was walking home from the bus stop. But just because he didn't intend to hurt anyone doesn't mean he didn't.

And that's the thing. No, maybe Chappelle isn't physically hurting people. But he's saying the same bigoted stuff that people saying we should be banned from public do. He's not trans, so there's nothing tongue in cheek about him saying trans people are freaks and have fake vaginas. There's no irony.

For fucks sakes, Chappelle didn't show up to any of her memorial services and there were 3. One proper funeral, then one large one on each coast. He never reached out to the family following her death. He's not a friend. But he sure as hell will use her as his "I'm no bigot, I have a trans friend who is a woman but I call a man" punching bag.

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CyricZ
10/15/21 10:21:02 AM
#165:


gunplagirl posted...
But he sure as hell will use her as his "I'm no bigot, I have a trans friend who is a woman but I call a man" punching bag.
And he's a little too comfortable to use "she'd probably agree with me if she were alive" energy.

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Clutch
10/15/21 10:25:54 AM
#166:


RchHomieQuanChi posted...
You're being very disingenuous if you're claiming the only problem they face is not being able to use the bathroom they want.

They arent being lynched or enslaved, either. Comparing what trans people are facing to Jim Crow is absurd and offensive to blacks.

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RchHomieQuanChi
10/15/21 10:28:15 AM
#167:


Clutch posted...
They arent being lynched or enslaved, either. Comparing what trans people are facing to Jim Crow is absurd and offensive to blacks.

So because they aren't dealing with the exact same forms of oppression that black people dealt with, their problems don't matter?

Is this the hill you're going to die on?

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Clutch
10/15/21 10:29:01 AM
#168:


Jaded_Dragon posted...
https://www.hrc.org/news/new-study-reveals-shocking-rates-of-attempted-suicide-among-trans-adolescen

https://www.forbes.com/sites/dawnstaceyennis/2021/05/19/terrible-time-for-trans-youth-new-survey-spotlights-suicide-spike---and-hope/?sh=4ec2cc2f716e

Yeah, they're only being harassed and bullied into suicide at a far higher rate than other people in the same age groups. Are you asserting that because there aren't more stories of transgender people being banned from restaurants that they aren't facing massive discrimination in other ways? FFS people don't want them to be able to use either bathroom and there's legislation in place to force them to have their genitals inspected. What the fuck are you even talking about?

Even the worst things you can come up with dont compare to what black folks went through with during the Jim Crow era, not to mention slavery.

You really, really shouldnt even be trying to make this comparison. Its terribly offensive.

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RchHomieQuanChi
10/15/21 10:29:43 AM
#169:


Clutch posted...
Even the worst things you can come up with dont compare to what black folks went through with during the Jim Crow era, not to mention slavery.

You really, really shouldnt even be trying to make this comparison. Its terribly offensive.

It's not the Oppression Olympics, for fuck's sake. It doesn't matter who "had it worse".

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CyricZ
10/15/21 10:30:11 AM
#170:


Clutch posted...
They arent being lynched or enslaved, either. Comparing what trans people are facing to Jim Crow is absurd and offensive to blacks.
"And now over to the Oppression Olympics judges to see their scores."

...

"Oooo, Lithuanian judge gave it a three, bad luck there."

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Clutch
10/15/21 10:30:30 AM
#171:


RchHomieQuanChi posted...
So because they aren't dealing with the exact same forms of oppression that black people dealt with, their problems don't matter?

Is this the hill you're going to die on?

Yes, I will die on the hill that acknowledges there are different degrees of oppression

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RchHomieQuanChi
10/15/21 10:31:38 AM
#172:


Clutch posted...
Yes, I will die on the hill that acknowledges there are different degrees of oppression

Sure.

Why not address all of them, rather than attempting to downplay what one group deals with in service to another?

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RickyTheBAWSE
10/15/21 10:31:40 AM
#173:


Shablagoo posted...

RickyTheBAWSE posted...
I don't believe most comedians agree that it's bitter old White men that's "killing comedy."

Huh? Whyd you add a word to what I said? I dont get the meaning of this post.


unless I'm misunderstanding your post, you're saying bitter old White men are having one of the most negative effects on comedy, correct?

if that's what you're saying, the culture of comedy disagrees with you. comedians typically blame fake wokeness and social media.

is there something I'm misunderstanding about your post, or...?
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Clutch
10/15/21 10:32:50 AM
#174:


RchHomieQuanChi posted...
Sure.

Why not address all of them, rather than attempting to downplay what one group deals with in service to another?

Im not the one who brought up the comparison. Saying that trans people arent going through the same things back folks went through isnt downplaying what they are dealing with.

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RchHomieQuanChi
10/15/21 10:35:27 AM
#175:


Clutch posted...
Im not the one who brought up the comparison.

Yeah, but the point is that you completely missed the point.

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RickyTheBAWSE
10/15/21 10:38:51 AM
#176:


if you have to say "I didn't say that" more than once to the same person in the same conversation, they're likely DEDICATED to misconstruing anything you say that doesn't directly support whatever argument they're making.

so... take a hint about their character.
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ReignFury
10/15/21 10:47:54 AM
#177:


The extra controversy has made The Closer his biggest hit despite it not being one of his best specials.

Dave also knows that you can't cancel a standup comic for making jokes.

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CyricZ
10/15/21 10:49:16 AM
#178:


ReignFury posted...
Dave also knows that you can't cancel a standup comic for making jokes.
Ask Michael Richards.

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voldothegr8
10/15/21 10:51:45 AM
#179:


CyricZ posted...

Ask Michael Richards.

He didn't make jokes he responded to a person in the crowd with racist hatred.
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CyricZ
10/15/21 10:57:28 AM
#180:


voldothegr8 posted...
He didn't make jokes he responded to a person in the crowd with racist hatred.
Well that's your interpretation.

And... also the interpretation of most anyone else who watched that, myself included.

Most anyone else, anyway.

Which is kind of my point. You can very much "cancel" a comedian for what they say on stage. Also we've established that "jokes" is something that is very much dependent on the witness.

At the end of the day, sometimes comedians suck. The stage does not protect you, and it never did.

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Clutch
10/15/21 10:58:36 AM
#181:


CyricZ posted...
Well that's your interpretation.

No, youre just wrong.


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420TwiZtiD420
10/15/21 11:02:48 AM
#182:


gunplagirl posted...
Fuck Dave Chappelle, the sooner he fucks off the better.

Could say the same about you.

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ReignFury
10/15/21 11:03:10 AM
#183:


CyricZ posted...
Well that's your interpretation.

And... also the interpretation of most anyone else who watched that, myself included.

Most anyone else, anyway.

Which is kind of my point. You can very much "cancel" a comedian for what they say on stage. Also we've established that "jokes" is something that is very much dependent on the witness.

At the end of the day, sometimes comedians suck. The stage does not protect you, and it never did.

No the "interpretation" of the target audience is what matters.

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FortuneCookie
10/15/21 11:07:32 AM
#184:


Dude survives rape jokes and anti-trans humor. He may be uncancellable.
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CyricZ
10/15/21 11:07:50 AM
#185:


ReignFury posted...
No the "interpretation" of the target audience is what matters.
Well hang on.

What is "the target audience"?

Are they the only ones allowed to criticize or complain? I don't think that's how this works.

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Clutch
10/15/21 11:09:53 AM
#186:


420TwiZtiD420 posted...
Could say the same about you.

Did say the same.

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Unknown5uspect
10/15/21 11:11:31 AM
#187:


I like how this whole stupid ass fuckin' bullshit is basically

"Dave's new special makes shitty trans jokes."

And

"You're offended?! It's comedy! That's how it works! You can't say anything bad about comedy!"

Like why are y'all trying so hard to shut down the conversation?

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Gobstoppers12
10/15/21 11:13:08 AM
#188:


RchHomieQuanChi posted...
Trans people have literally been killed
People of all colors, genders, and orientations have literally been killed. This is a nothing statement.

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darkprince45
10/15/21 11:13:54 AM
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SoggyBottomBoy
10/15/21 11:15:35 AM
#190:


darkprince45 posted...
Lmfao

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gunplagirl
10/15/21 11:16:11 AM
#191:


darkprince45 posted...
Don't you have a body cam you could be turning off?

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SoggyBottomBoy
10/15/21 11:16:43 AM
#192:


CyricZ posted...
Are they the only ones allowed to criticize or complain? I don't think that's how this works.
Weird how you dont feel this way when the reverse is presented.

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EmbraceOfDeath
10/15/21 11:18:10 AM
#193:


It's nice that this has fully exposed the insanity of certain people on the left here so they can safely be ignored while losing nothing of value.

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Unknown5uspect
10/15/21 11:19:09 AM
#194:


SoggyBottomBoy posted...
Weird how you dont feel this way when the reverse is presented.
Weird how you say this while constantly trying to shutdown any opposing opinions of the special.

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DyingPancake
10/15/21 11:21:13 AM
#195:


Unknown5uspect posted...
I like how this whole stupid ass fuckin' bullshit is basically

"Dave's new special makes shitty trans jokes."

And

"You're offended?! It's comedy! That's how it works! You can't say anything bad about comedy!"

Like why are y'all trying so hard to shut down the conversation?

Ultimately its not a conversation worth having (here at least)

When numerous people here call you a racist or bigot for laughing at a joke then the only thing you need to tell those people is how they can fuck off

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RchHomieQuanChi
10/15/21 11:21:18 AM
#196:


Gobstoppers12 posted...
People of all colors, genders, and orientations have literally been killed. This is a nothing statement.

Everything becomes a nothing statement when you eliminate context.

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KTG2
10/15/21 11:22:07 AM
#197:


Solid Snake07 posted...
The thought of how much it makes these crybabies ass itch that they can't touch him is very amusing to me.

"I, a bad person, am very happy that people are upset that another bad person keeps being allowed to be a bad person"

Good to know

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Shablagoo
10/15/21 11:23:11 AM
#198:


RickyTheBAWSE posted...
unless I'm misunderstanding your post, you're saying bitter old White men are having one of the most negative effects on comedy, correct?

if that's what you're saying, the culture of comedy disagrees with you. comedians typically blame fake wokeness and social media.

is there something I'm misunderstanding about your post, or...?

Where is white coming from though lol, when I said bitter old men griping about progress I was talking about comedians like Dave doing what he did in his latest special. I liked all of his other Netflix specials but in the new one the theme is basically, Im old and dont get it haha isnt that funny? Its not funny though, its just lame and boring and hurtful and damaging. Hence, his comedy was ruined.

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ProjectSiolence
10/15/21 11:23:33 AM
#199:


hockeybub89 posted...
Sounds like an awful person
Found the transphobe
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xXfireglzXx
10/15/21 11:24:16 AM
#200:


People in this topic demeaning the act of stand-up comedy on this website when they can't even handle getting heckled on a message board without getting themselves suspended in retaliation is unironically the funniest thing I think I've ever seen some of them post.

In the timeless words of Gandhi, "It really do be like that sometimes."

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Unknown5uspect
10/15/21 11:24:29 AM
#201:


DyingPancake posted...
Ultimately its not a conversation worth having (here at least)

When numerous people here call you a racist or bigot for laughing at a joke then the only thing you need to tell those people is how they can fuck off
It's a matter of fact that the guy goes off for like over a half hour making variations of a joke South Park made in season 9.

And not only that, variations that he's literally told in previous specials.

It's dumb. It's lazy. It's fucking confusing. What's up with Dave and trans people?

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