Poll of the Day > Justin Trudeau says anyone FIRED for being UNVACCINATED will NOT get EI!! Fair!

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Employment Minister, Carla Qualtrough says that people who lose their jobs for not complying with the employer's COVID-19 vaccine policy will NOT be eligible for employment insurance!!

She said "It's a condition of employment that hasn't been met. And the employer choosing to terminate someone for that reason would make that person ineligible for EI. I can tell you that's the advice i'm getting and that's the advice i'll move forward with"

This doesn't apply where someone has a medical exemption or "valid reason" for not being vaccinated as all individuals who lose their jobs through no fault of their own for example due to shortage of work, seasonal or mass lay offs are available for and able to work, but can't find a job.

EI pays 55% of their average weekly earnings of up to 595 per week

This comes as a number of workplaces are requiring mandatory vaccinations including those people in parliament

The Toronto Police Service unvaccinated officers will be placed on UNPAID LEAVE with hundreds of nurses losing their jobs at hospitals as well

An employment lawyer in Ottawa however disagrees with EI and vaccines as he tells his clients to just get vaccinated but says you cannot force an employee to get vaccinated and then fire them while not getting EI as well.

A spokesperson said that the fundamental principal of EI was claimants must lose employment through no fault at their own and employees not complying with rules of their employer on vaccination is not eligible for regular EI benefits

This also comes as Canada's $2000 monthly CERB benefit is coming to an end where individuals won't receive benefits any longer and must find a job in Canada's wide open employment market

Do you think this is fair?

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Oh no!

Anyway

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So they want to create another group of poor, jobless people because they comply?

Comply or die?

That'll do wonders for their economy and crime.

BEERandWEED posted...

Comply or die?

Well, yes, if you don't get a vaccine your odds of dying are drastically increased. But also if you aren't getting vaccinated, you're not just making a choice for yourself, you're making the choice to put everyone around you in danger. Not getting vaccinated is the moral low ground.

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Wow, that's very inhumane.

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Not fair because you pay into EI prior to the regulation; Now, if they grandfather in everyone's EI from before March 2021 or whenever then it's ok

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papercup posted...

Well, yes, if you don't get a vaccine your odds of dying are drastically increased. But also if you aren't getting vaccinated, you're not just making a choice for yourself, you're making the choice to put everyone around you in danger. Not getting vaccinated is the moral low ground.

Considering that the unvaccinated are more likely to get sick and steer clear of others or have developed natural immunity and that the vaccinated are likely to be spreading covid unknowingly, I'd rather be in a room full of not ill unvaccinated than a room of vaccinated people.

Also, why are the vaccinated so afraid of the unvaccinated? Doesn't the vaccine work?

BEERandWEED posted...

Considering that the unvaccinated are more likely to get sick and steer clear of others or have developed natural immunity and that the vaccinated are likely to be spreading covid unknowingly, I'd rather be in a room full of not ill unvaccinated than a room of vaccinated people.

Also, why are the vaccinated so afraid of the unvaccinated? Doesn't the vaccine work?

lolwut? If you are vaccinated your odds of spreading are DRASTICALLY reduced. Literally everything about your reasoning is ass backwards lol

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papercup posted...

lolwut? If you are vaccinated your odds of spreading are DRASTICALLY reduced. Literally everything about your reasoning is ass backwards lol

And drastically reduces your chances of knowing you're ill enough to be spreading.

Being "ill enough" whatever that means doesn't really matter either. Even if you don't display symptoms, you can still be spreading. And even if you're vaccinated, while rare, you can still come down with an infection, a breakthrough case. But the more people around you who are also vaccinated, the less likely that becomes, on top of your own vaccination, and the less likely it becomes for a mutation to occur and be immune to the vaccine. Because the fewer vectors a virus has to spread to, the fewer chances it gets to mutate. Being in a room full of "not ill unvaccinated" is not safe.

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papercup posted...

lolwut? If you are vaccinated your odds of spreading are DRASTICALLY reduced. Literally everything about your reasoning is ass backwards lol

Vaccinated still spread the virus just like unvaccinated. The best cure is two masks wrapped on your face and social distancing.

papercup posted...

Well, yes, if you don't get a vaccine your odds of dying are drastically increased.

Only ones who need the vaccine are alcoholics, drug abusers, obese people and others who damage their body since their immune systems can't fight anything off.

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Obviously. Which is why we're seeing perfectly healthy young people dying from the virus. Seriously what are you even talking about?

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They say a young fat person was perfectly 'healthy' and died of Covid. What are YOU talking about?

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who is they

provide some examples, please.
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Your beautiful mainstream media likes to show fat young people being hauled off on stretchers.

They need the shots and monthly boosters.

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can you please provide some form of proof that "they" are calling fat people healthy?

also, can you please explain who "they" is?

thank you.
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Adam_Savage posted...

can you please provide some form of proof that "they" are calling fat people healthy?

also, can you please explain who "they" is?

thank you.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/health/2021/10/02/10-year-old-daughter-dies-covid-parents-intv-newsroom-vpx.cnn


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Dark_SilverX posted...

https://www.cnn.com/videos/health/2021/10/02/10-year-old-daughter-dies-covid-parents-intv-newsroom-vpx.cnn

what a sad thing to happen

anyways, no one called anyone who appeared in that video healthy.

the father referred to his deceased 10 year old child as healthy, which she very well likely was, and since we aren't given any evidence to the contrary, this example provided is useless.
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Adam_Savage posted...

what a sad thing to happen

anyways, no one called anyone who appeared in that video healthy.

the father referred to his deceased 10 year old child as healthy, which she very well likely was, and since we aren't given any evidence to the contrary, this example provided is useless.

Daughter wasn't healthy, she was big for her age.

I agree though. Fat people should be the first in line for the shots and monthly boosters.

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https://imgur.com/HZboDuz

i wouldn't call her fat, but she does look fairly healthy. also seemed like a pretty happy and good kid.

so yeah, your example sucked. also, "they" in this instance being the literal father of the girl.
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She possibly inherited underlining diseases from her parents and couldn't fight off COVID, but we won't know since HIPAA law.

Hopefully her mom and dad got jabbed up. They look like they really need it and should go to Canada to replace the fired workers there.

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Dark_SilverX posted...

Only ones who need the vaccine are alcoholics, drug abusers, obese people and others who damage their body since their immune systems can't fight anything off.

Why do people still believe this nonsense? It's been almost two years.

BEERandWEED posted...

So they want to create another group of poor, jobless people because they comply?

EI has never covered people that quit their jobs voluntarily. Why should this be an exception?

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adjl posted...

EI has never covered people that quit their jobs voluntarily. Why should this be an exception?

They didn't quit voluntarily.

They were fired unjustly and immorally.

they aren't though

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BEERandWEED posted...

They didn't quit voluntarily.

They were fired unjustly and immorally.

If you voluntarily refuse to fulfill a condition of your employment and are fired as a result, you're leaving that job voluntarily.

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adjl posted...

If you voluntarily refuse to fulfill a condition of your employment and are fired as a result, you're leaving that job voluntarily.

And the covid vaccine shouldn't be a condition for employment. Full stop.

Dark_SilverX posted...

Daughter wasn't healthy, she was big for her age.

I agree though. Fat people should be the first in line for the shots and monthly boosters.

Thats how I got vaccinated probably earlier than other people my age. Im getting the Moderna booster as soon as I can too. Im taking care of my old mother (shes the only one of us that can operate a gas chainsaw) and am pudgy. Im going to protect the only family I have left in any way possible.

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BEERandWEED posted...

And the covid vaccine shouldn't be a condition for employment. Full stop.

Why not?

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adjl posted...

Why not?

Because it's completely unnecessary, first. Second, creating more unemployed is more detrimental to society.

BEERandWEED posted...

Because it's completely unnecessary,

How so?

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BEERandWEED posted...

And the covid vaccine shouldn't be a condition for employment. Full stop.

MMR, now shut the fuck up.

BEERandWEED posted...

Because it's completely unnecessary, first. Second, creating more unemployed is more detrimental to society.

Nah, government just needs to round up the antivaxxers and ship them to an island where they can be on their own. Prison colony, bitches. It's what you deserve.

Lokarin posted...

Not fair because you pay into EI prior to the regulation

doesn't matter because you are effectively choosing to lose your job. auto insurance doesn't apply if you blow up your car on purpose either.

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Sahuagin posted...

doesn't matter because you are effectively choosing to lose your job. auto insurance doesn't apply if you blow up your car on purpose either.

well, I'll give an extreme counter-example

If they repeal handicapped laws and a business no longer needs to provide any wheelchair access and they switch to stairs... a handicapped employee would be out their previous years of EI


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Lokarin posted...

well, I'll give an extreme counter-example

If they repeal handicapped laws and a business no longer needs to provide any wheelchair access and they switch to stairs... a handicapped employee would be out their previous years of EI

Being handicapped isn't a choice, though.

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adjl posted...

Being handicapped isn't a choice, though.

That's why accommodations are made, I said it's an extreme counter-example.. not a sensible one

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Lokarin posted...

That's why accommodations are made, I said it's an extreme counter-example.. not a sensible one

But the central issue here is that people are unvaccinated as a matter of choice (outside of the rare instances where people genuinely cannot be vaccinated, which are excepted for that reason). Something that isn't voluntary isn't analogous to that and therefore is not a valid counter-example.

A valid contemporary counter-example would be Hooters' new uniform: That was a change to the conditions of employment which many current employees chose to object to. In that case, because threatening people's livelihoods if they refuse to dress in skimpier clothing than they signed on for is frowned upon by a large portion of society, Hooters made the change optional for PR purposes. In this case, there are clear societal benefits to keeping the unvaccinated isolated from the general public, so this change is going ahead.

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Of course, I fully support vaccination - but I'm also a legal curmudgeon and think any change in conditions they should still be allowed EI for their pay in prior to the change in condition.

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Lokarin posted...

any change in conditions they should still be allowed EI for their pay in prior to the change in condition.

hmmm, I think no but not sure. if there are conditions of employment that you choose not to meet, that is not a valid reason for failing to find (or hold) a job. you are then outside of the safety net that insurance provides. you are choosing to be unemployed as opposed to being unemployed against your own wishes.

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I'll agree to disagree; since we seem to get each other

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Leftist segregation once again. Hate, racism, and segregation are the hallmark of leftist policy.

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SantaKhala posted...

Leftist segregation once again. Hate, racism, and segregation are the hallmark of leftist policy.

That, or you just don't get EI for voluntarily leaving a job. Why are people so desperate to make this more than that?

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adjl posted...

That, or you just don't get EI for voluntarily leaving a job. Why are people so desperate to make this more than that?

They ARE NOT voluntarily leaving. They are forced out. The covid vaccine doesn't help people do their job.

Hes the biggest piece of pretentious shit around. Im not surprised he would do this. Good thing it looks like the federal justice department doesnt agree with him on most of his erroneous beliefs.



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papercup posted...

lolwut? If you are vaccinated your odds of spreading are DRASTICALLY reduced. Literally everything about your reasoning is ass backwards lol

I called health authorities and asked about this because of something someone else said (the same thing) and I was told that this is not true. Have no idea why #7 got deleted. Another case of I dont like the words., no doubt. I was told that all the vaccine does is maybe help people not end up in the hospital. Although people like my moms neighbour still do.

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zebatov posted...

I called health authorities and asked about this because of something someone else said (the same thing) and I was told that this is not true.

Cool story bro

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In my 25 years of employment, I've never needed proof of any vaccine, why would we start that now?

Being controlled much?

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BEERandWEED posted...

They ARE NOT voluntarily leaving

adjl posted...

If you voluntarily refuse to fulfill a condition of your employment and are fired as a result, you're leaving that job voluntarily.

Saying "nuh-uh!" repeatedly doesn't make you any more right. You've already tried this line of reasoning and declined to defend it further than a simple "why?" was able to dismantle. If you're going to try it again, you should attempt to defend it more robustly.

BEERandWEED posted...

The covid vaccine doesn't help people do their job.

It helps them do their job more safely, which is a typical condition of employment. A chef who refused to ever wash their hands would be fired pretty quickly.

SunWuKung420 posted...

In my 25 years of employment, I've never needed proof of any vaccine, why would we start that now?

Because the rest of your 25 years of employment hasn't contended with the greatest public health crisis in a century, a crisis which is conveniently responsive to vaccination. Had it, you would have need proof of the corresponding vaccines, just like those working in health care are already required to provide proof of vaccines to diseases that could put their clientele at risk.

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Ok...

I live in Canada, no where near the US border

There is a parade of about 20 guys outside the Boston Pizza protesting Fauci and the Vaccine

Fauci... Canada... Fauci? CANDADA!!!

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zebatov posted...

I called health authorities and asked about this because of something someone else said (the same thing) and I was told that this is not true. Have no idea why #7 got deleted. Another case of I dont like the words., no doubt. I was told that all the vaccine does is maybe help people not end up in the hospital. Although people like my moms neighbour still do.

obviously we can't expect everyone to actually be educated about everything, so your scientific ignorance gets a pass for once.

What you were told can only possibly be true of people who are infected, i.e. unvaccinated individual contracts the virus, or a vaccinated individual has a breakthrough infection.

And because it is less likely for a vaccinated individual to have a breakthrough infection than an unvaccinated individual to become infected (given the same extent of exposure), we can definitely say the vaccine reduces transmission.

Thanks for listening!

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