Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 380: Manchin Ease Theater

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Jakyl25 posted...

How is this even mathematically possible

I guess youre slightly more likely to be dead by age 12 than by age 7 so there might be slightly more 2nd graders than 7th graders

But still the bulk?

There are 10 grade levels in elementary school (counting 2 years of kindergarten), and 4 years of high school. So that would be how it is mathematically possible

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Rittenhouse Trial Update

Ahead of today's proceedings, the Judge denied a Motion to Dismiss regarding the possession charge. So I'm not sure how people can possibly say this Judge is biased at all.

The first witness was just a bore. He put together slowed down video he put together on Sunday for the Prosecution and... I guess they just wanted to show slow-mo version of Kyle shooting Rosenbaum? It was pretty inconsequential.

The next took up the majority of the time and he was a Forensic Examiner. He didn't help Prosecution at all and he proved that Rosenbaum's hand was reaching out to grab the rifle, despite Prosecution's best efforts to not get that answer. So basically, he was brought in to show gross pictures to the Jury and then... just helped the Defense say that Kyle's weapon was about to be grabbed before he shot.

It's lunch time and they asked for the curfew charge to be dropped, which is reasonable tbh but it's such an inconsequential charge. The Judge said he'll consider it, or allow the Prosecution to have a chance to provide proof he violated it. Supposedly there was no actual punishable curfew set up. I'm not sure the details. But no officers enforced it so it's difficult. They also plan to do more Motion to Dismiss charges, so we'll see how those go.

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BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

There are 10 grade levels in elementary school (counting 2 years of kindergarten), and 4 years of high school.

Middle school doesn't exist? Or are you just unfamiliar because you never made it that far yourself?
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Wouldn't the curfew charge also apply to the other people involved?

At any rate, it's good to see there's some semblance of justice, despite the MSM best efforts to subvert it. I don't agree with Rittenhouse's politics, or his (admittedly par for the course) American style of gun fetishism, but it was clear from the day it happened that he CLEARLY acted in self defense against a bunch of violent rioters.

Hope the admins and "ACAB" crew on the Board 8 discord are absolutely losing their shit right now given their absolute hard on for the people supporting the BLM riots last year.

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BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

Wouldn't the curfew charge also apply to the other people involved?

At any rate, it's good to see there's some semblance of justice, despite the MSM best efforts to subvert it. I don't agree with Rittenhouse's politics, or his (admittedly par for the course) American style of gun fetishism, but it was clear from the day it happened that he CLEARLY acted in self defense against a bunch of violent rioters.

Hope the admins and "ACAB" crew on the Board 8 discord are absolutely losing their shit right now given their absolute hard on for the people supporting the BLM riots last year.

It should apply to everyone who was there, and there's an argument they didn't apply it to ANYONE. There's other weirdness like Grosskuertz that didn't get charged for it and his gun charges were all dropped too.

I know it's a case of "Yeah but," but there's a lot of evidence the officers didn't attempt to enforce the curfew at all.

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Oh hey curfew charge dismissed because Prosecution couldn't find a legitimate legally binding curfew order. Judge gave them a chance on lunch to present something and they didn't.

So why the fuck was he charged with it?

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Here's a hot take, every single person participating in the violence, whether rioters or "vigilantes" should have been arrested and thrown in jail for 6 months

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Even the police?

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Xeybozn posted...

Middle school doesn't exist?

Can't speak for them, but presonally not where I lived no.

Elementary school was k-7. High school was 8-12.

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The police were keeping the peace. None of the videos I saw from the riots showed excess force, and the "ACAB" screechers on Twitter/Reddit only contributed to the root problem with their lack of critical thinking.

The whole situation is solved in 3 easy steps:

1. Eliminate police unions to increase accountability
2. Enforce body cameras and strict penalties for not following guidelines (i.e. turning off or blocking them)
3. Arrest each and every person using police brutality as a justification to rob their local Target

Police brutality in the US is a lack of accountability issue, not a racism issue

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I had k-8 then 9-12

[ontario]

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Also, the protests should have been centered on Breona Tayler which was an egregious and unacceptable level of incompetence that everyone understands, rather than on George Floyd.

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BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

Also, the protests should have been centered on Breona Tayler which was an egregious and unacceptable level of incompetence that everyone understands, rather than on George Floyd.

I mean, George Floyd was literally legally murdered too

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https://twitter.com/BrettMmurphy/status/1458082591144304651?t=vkYAmorgUzEfWVOYZ6bbAQ&s=19

Nothing wrong with the police, guys, they're just *checks notes* consistently and systematically removing all "good apples" from their ranks by firing them, jailing them, or forcing them into psychiatric institutions.

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Peace___Frog posted...

https://twitter.com/BrettMmurphy/status/1458082591144304651?t=vkYAmorgUzEfWVOYZ6bbAQ&s=19

Nothing wrong with the police, guys, they're just *checks notes* consistently and systematically removing all "good apples" from their ranks by firing them, jailing them, or forcing them into psychiatric institutions.

If they remove all the best apples then the worst apples will look less bad by relative comparison to their fellow officers.

That's some 5D chess right there.

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BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

Police brutality in the US is a lack of accountability issue, not a racism issue

wow

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Again, the only reason these things happen is because police are not accountable to anyone, and corrupt labour unions are to blame. Why do police need a union? The only purpose a union serves in 2021 is to make sure that none of their members ever have to face any personal responsibility, so you can see how adding this to the occupation that is supposed to protect and serve will cause major ramifications if left unchecked.

Eliminate police unions and suddenly cops have personal responsiblity again. Enforce body cameras to make sure they are behaving appropriately, and it will serve both the purpose of protecting citizens, but also protecting the police against bogus claims. It is literally win-win, and cops will benefit from never having to give part of their paycheque up to a bunch of corrupt jerk union reps

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Speaking of our police system...

In the Rittenhouse trial, the Prosecution just got fucking annihilated and exposed for trying to get someone to change their statement during investigation. Literally said "We never asked you to change your statement, right?" "Yes you did." "Is it possible you misheard us?" "No, you were extremely clear." Absolutely fucking disgusting behavior. Throw the entire prosecution and the Kenosha police in the fucking trash.

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https://www.sfgate.com/national-politics/amp/Kamala-Harris-approval-rating-poll-history-Biden-16602512.php

I take sick pleasure in knowing the KHive amounted to lower approval than Mike fucking Pence.

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BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

Eliminate police unions and suddenly cops have personal responsiblity again. Enforce body cameras to make sure they are behaving appropriately, and it will serve both the purpose of protecting citizens, but also protecting the police against bogus claims. It is literally win-win, and cops will benefit from never having to give part of their paycheque up to a bunch of corrupt jerk union reps

This isn't win-win for the cops because they don't want to protect people and behave appropriately, they want to be able to control and hurt people with impunity.

but yeah otherwise your plan to "just hold the police accountable guys!!!!!" is great

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Dems don't have the same immutable wall of support that Republicans do so yeah

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I mean, what has she done?

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BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

Again, the only reason these things happen is because police are not accountable to anyone, and corrupt labour unions are to blame. Why do police need a union? The only purpose a union serves in 2021 is to make sure that none of their members ever have to face any personal responsibility, so you can see how adding this to the occupation that is supposed to protect and serve will cause major ramifications if left unchecked.

Eliminate police unions and suddenly cops have personal responsiblity again. Enforce body cameras to make sure they are behaving appropriately, and it will serve both the purpose of protecting citizens, but also protecting the police against bogus claims. It is literally win-win, and cops will benefit from never having to give part of their paycheque up to a bunch of corrupt jerk union reps

Who enforces body cameras in this scenario? The police?


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Jakyl25 posted...

Who enforces body cameras in this scenario? The police?

What could go wrong?

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It's not like body cameras aren't used now. Amazingly they seem to always malfunction at just the wrong time.
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kevwaffles posted...

It's not like body cameras aren't used now. Amazingly they seem to always malfunction at just the wrong time.

sometimes they'll even just use the body cams to stage a scene

fun remembering the time a cop got caught because he didn't realize the cams start recording 30 seconds before turning them on, so it showed him stashing contraband, leaving, turning the camera on, then going back and "finding" it

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The only purpose a union serves in 2021 is to make sure that none of their members ever have to face any personal responsibility, so you can see how adding this to the occupation that is supposed to protect and serve will cause major ramifications if left unchecked.

No, a unions purpose is to protect workers from management.

The reason unions dont work for police is that the management are other cops who already provide protection for their guys, aka The Thin Blue Line.

Its a totally different dynamic, and why Unions are good but police Unions are not.

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End of Rittenhouse Trial Stuff Today

The Prosecution could not find any official actually binding curfew order, so the curfew charge has been dropped for Kyle Rittenhouse.

The Prosecution rested their case after a few final questions to their last witness. I cannot believe this is the Prosecution's entire case. There was NOTHING here to justify things. But it got so much worse.

The Prosecution brought on some guy who worked at the car lot and he said those Indian brothers who ran it and completely contradicted everything they said. He said they were asked to be there (Kyle included) and the one brother drove them there and he said Kyle wasn't starting any trouble or anything. Prosecution cross was pretty solid here. They established that the guy didn't feel terribly unsafe. But Defense came back and asked if he was attacked, threatened, chased, etc. So it's a bit moot. Those Indian brothers are going to get their asses sued.

Then they got some old lady who was watching the car lot as well. She maintained that Kyle didn't try to start anything and that Rosenbaum was shouting racist stuff and throwing things at them, told them he was going to cut their hearts out, and was trying to get them to come after him, saying he was "bitchy". She also testified that after Kyle fired the shots, he came back to the car lot and said "I was attacked. I had to shoot. My life is over now." This doesn't sound like a kid who was out there looking to murder people. I don't care what edgelord shit he says to his friends to sound cool, there is nothing that night that indicates he wanted to actually shoot his gun or started trouble, and everything indicates he didn't actually want this to happen. Then they all abandoned the car lot to escape and Kyle went to turn himself in after that (in which he was maced and told to fuck off by the police).

Prosecutor tried to catch her in some issues and she just told him off and emasculated him. Literally went "The FBI Investigator said that you told him this..." "I didn't say that. I remember that conversation vividly and I didn't say that at all." And then the Prosecutor just shrinks and moves five pages to get to his next point.

And then this is where it all went somehow even worse for the Prosecution.

They brought on some guy who seemed like he had autism who was taking pictures and was there for the second set of shootings. And he was a solid witness and then the Defense asks about when he gave a statement to the Prosecutor. He said that they asked him to change his statement and he felt very uncomfortable.

So the Prosecutor comes up there on cross and then goes in on this dude, saying "So we showed you a video to refresh your memory and asked if you remember anything else. But we never asked you to change your statement, right?" "Yes you did." "Is it possible you misheard us?" "No, you were very clear." And then he goes "Hey, but you remember when you came in I was really nice and told you that you were a great photographer, right?" "Yes, before you asked me to change my statement." And so this fucking Prosecutor starts just being such an unrelenting asshole to him, trying everything he can to discredit him and getting shitty because his answers are "I didn't mention this in my statement because I didn't know it was important. And I didn't tell anyone this because I didn't think it was important. I'm sorry I didn't say it, but I didn't know what you considered important."

Just absolute fucking corruption here. They tried to run this investigation illegitimately. Completely disgusting, and whatever political spectrum you're on, you need to be completely fucked off that this trial happened, and that the prosecution was willing to try and rig it however they could to throw an innocent boy in jail. I don't care if you think he's a white supremacist, as far as I understand that's not far off. The Prosecution here tried to rig our system.

After getting completely furious and shitty with this kind person with autism and accusing him of only testifying to shill his photography career (in which someone else is just selling his photos on his behalf and he has a different career), Defense just asked him about how they never asked him to change his statement. Unbelievable. Go out of your way to watch this part to see how obscenely shitty this Prosecution is. Fire all of them. Completely pieces of trash.

They brought on their last witness for the day who got video from a distance of the shooting and he was there to say the Prosecution never asked him to testify even though he had a clear view of what happened (because they didn't want his testimony because it hurt their case).

Fuck the prosecution. Fuck the Kenosha police. CORRUPTION. This case is fucking over. There's no way a soul on that jury watches them try to go after that photographer who outright shows that they were corrupt and convicts Rittenhouse of anything.

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

No, a unions purpose is to protect workers from management.

The reason unions dont work for police is that the management are other cops who already provide protection for their guys, aka The Thin Blue Line.

Its a totally different dynamic, and why Unions are good but police Unions are not.

Yeah its not really a labor union. Their ACTUAL management is supposed to be the will of the public.

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Jakyl25 posted...

Their ACTUAL management is supposed to be the will of the public.

What do you mean "supposed to be"? Has it ever occurred to you that the majority of people might want the police to commit random acts of violence against minorities and the poor?
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Xeybozn posted...

What do you mean "supposed to be"? Has it ever occurred to you that the majority of people might want the police to commit random acts of violence against minorities and the poor?

You mean rich people. Because that's why they rig the union and elections in their favor with their funding and politicking. That's a part of the problem.

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PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

You mean rich people. Because that's why they rig the union and elections in their favor with their funding and politicking. That's a part of the problem.

I believe most people in the US do want the police to operate pretty much exactly how they do, cruelty and all. Maybe it's because the rich convinced them to think that way, but that's not really the important part.
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I had to suffer this mental imagery so now the rest of you do, too.

https://twitter.com/EoinHiggins_/status/1458194640692203526

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Yeah, people in the US love police cruelty as long as it's directed towards outside of their personal tribe.

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I mean, the history of policing in the US is deeply entwined with - to the surprise of no one - the slave patrols in the South and enforcing slavery and then later Jim Crow.

Like it's easy to think of the police as something that's just always been around but they weren't like, officially a publicly funded thing until the 1830s. Then the early 1900s saw a shift towards the militarization of policing and then things got even worse with LBJ's war on crime in the 1960s diverting funds away from social programs to the police (and you know, undoing that is basically something reformists have been asking for all this time)

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Jakyl25 posted...

Who enforces body cameras in this scenario? The police?

Like any other situation with the police, Internal Affairs and ultimately the rest of the criminal justice system. If a situation comes up that needs body cam footage, and none exists where there should be, stiff penalties (and jail time) for the offending cop, their superior, and whoever at their precinct is in charge of body cam compliance would all be brought to bear.

The only reason this painfully simple and obvious solution hasn't been implemented is because the people asking for change are asking for solutions that just make the problem worse, and no sane person would get behind. The whole "defund the police" 'movement' which thankfully has apparently died down, was advocating for the cutting/abolition of police forces, despite the fact that CRIME DISPROPORTIONATELY VICTIMIZES THE VERY MINORITIES THEY ARE TRYING TO PROTECT. Try to wrap your head around how "solving" the ~1000 police shootings against mostly criminals is worth adding on to the 16,000 or so homicides of mostly innocent every day people in the same year?

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Also lol @ the tankies pretending that a police union is "not a real union". This is as great as them claiming that every single incarnation of socialism/communism is "not real socialism/communism".

The sole purpose of a union in 2021 is to protect their members from personal responsibility. Nothing else. Unions were needed in the early 1900s because there were no government regulations or oversite in how labour was managed, resulting in exploitation. All of the good things unions wanted have been codified in laws, and they have outlived their usefulness.

Seriously, either you people have never had the displeasure of having to work in a union shop where the worst employees on the planet can't get fired and cause the entire workplace to suck. Either that or you are the said worst employees that noone likes and the reason you like unions so much is because they stop you from being deservedly fired.

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Tl;Dr of police unions:

Regular unions protect employees from punishment from employer.

Police unions protect police when they unfairly punish citizens, who pay for the police with tax money, which funds them to keep them employed.

Police unions actively protect police from accountability when they are not fairly serving the citizens. You can say it boils down to "protecting them from doing a crappy job" but other unions protect against the employer. Police unions do not protect against the employer--because it's the citizens.

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Their employer is the municipal government. The general population doesn't employee the police, the municipality does because they need a force to stop people from messing with society. Government is a business, selling us services like infrastructure/police/fire and medical care in countries that aren't stupid. We pay for those services with taxes. In this relationship, we are the customer, not the business owner.

And 99% of the time these days, unions prevent companies from punishing employees that are useless and/or malicious and deserve to be fired/demoted/whatever

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BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

Government is a business, selling us services like infrastructure/police/fire and medical care in countries that aren't stupid. We pay for those services with taxes. In this relationship, we are the customer, not the business owner.

What a load of hoops to jump through to pretend that these arent socialist policies


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BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

Their employer is the municipal government. The general population doesn't employee the police, the municipality does because they need a force to stop people from messing with society. Government is a business, selling us services like infrastructure/police/fire and medical care in countries that aren't stupid. We pay for those services with taxes. In this relationship, we are the customer, not the business owner.

And 99% of the time these days, unions prevent companies from punishing employees that are useless and/or malicious and deserve to be fired/demoted/whatever

Who are police supposed to serve?

Who does the police union protect the police from?

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Jakyl25 posted...

What a load of hoops to jump through to pretend that these arent socialist policies

If we are the customer, why don't we get to choose how much product we want to buy?

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Thanks for all the write ups, Biscuit. I would have been extremely ignorant of all of this without you, and didn't even know the trial was going on until you began posting about it.

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https://twitter.com/MuellerSheWrote/status/1458139441151705091

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Peace___Frog posted...

Thanks for all the write ups, Biscuit. I would have been extremely ignorant of all of this without you, and didn't even know the trial was going on until you began posting about it.

You're welcome! I find a lot of trials interesting like these! Unfortunately I missed out on the George Floyd trial.

There's a frankly bizarre mainstream media spin that's happening that I'm constantly floored by each time I see a new article because it's like they aren't even watching the same trial.

These are just my opinions and readings of it, but I'm finding that a lot of people with a legal background are echoing the same thoughts, regardless of their politics.

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That media spin is identical to the internet reaction to the original videos getting posted on Twitter after the shootings happened. People were saying it was cold blooded murder and I was sitting there saying "Are you watching the same clip I am?" I do know there was an editted version of the video that removed the one guy coming at him with the skateboard that was making the social media rounds, so all I can assume is that people saw the heavily redacted video and due to their lack of critical thinking immediately made an incorrect judgement and ignored the voices of reason by calling anyone who disagreed a "racist".

That video getting posted on the Board 8 discord and me saying "well that was pretty clearly self defense" resulted in me getting banned from Discord, so it's especially delicious to see this case absolutely falling apart.

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The media is consistently bad. They are political hacks who don't realize that is what they are. Good journalists are few and far between these days. It doesn't pay well and is difficult, while bad journalism is way easier and pays just as well.

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TheRock1525 posted...

I had to suffer this mental imagery so now the rest of you do, too.

https://twitter.com/EoinHiggins_/status/1458194640692203526

lol @ either roger stone or laura loomer being part of "the freedom movement."

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BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

Also lol @ the tankies pretending that a police union is "not a real union". This is as great as them claiming that every single incarnation of socialism/communism is "not real socialism/communism".

yeah, lol @ people caring about distinctions and using words properly m i rite?

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Interesting lack of responses to the Rittenhouse trial in here.

Thanks for your report Biscuit. I truly didn't think it could get worse for the prosecution after the debacle yesterday.

I said from day one this was self defense and it was obvious to anyone with eyes, agenda or otherwise. Those who deluded themselves into thinking otherwise really need to examine themselves.

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