Current Events > If Rittenhouse walks, it will embolden far-right militias greatly.

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DuranOfForcena posted...

left leaning people don't generally support vigilantism

he had no right to be there, no right to be carrying that weapon, no right to decide any person's fate that night, no legal authority whatsoever

Would you support it if the target was a Republican? Or Trump?

And yeah, but that's because the police definitely wouldn't have been allowed to do anything.

... Actually, don't most left leaning people support Spider-Man and other Marvel moves? Marvel fans are more likely to be left than right.

Those characters are vigilantes. But they're supported.

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PoundGarden posted...

And? He still could not legally own that weapon. Virtually every state you need to be 21 to obtain a handgun or any firearm with a pistol grip.

Okay, and?

I'd have to do some checking to make sure, but that's about the only problem here. Every other claim is false in this case. "Murder", etc.

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Vanished posted...

That is...

wow. That's a post.

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He will walk, he's innocent. He was just defending himself from terrorists.

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DuranOfForcena posted...

i do give a shit about the evidence though. and the evidence says that he was carrying a weapon he was not legally allowed to be carrying, he was exerting authority he didn't legally have to "defend" a business, he inserted himself into a situation he had no legal right to insert himself into, and he used deadly force to kill people that he wasn't justified in using. so yeah, you're goddamn right it's not worth engaging anyone who thinks he's in the right for killing those people and who have demonstrated they're not going to change their views on that.

Yeah, that explains it. You're on the "Kyle is a murderer" train.

Anyways, he did have the right because they were trying to steal the gun from him. He would have died and then his death would have been covered up or not mentioned if Kyle didn't pull the trigger. It would have just been a "peaceful protest" that night.

It's so easy to complain about "deadly force" in hindsight and how we should care for the lives of murderers, and when you're not in that situation or any situation where you are dealing with someone who definitely plans to harm you.

Not to mention that the police, I don't think, were doing anything that night but I could be wrong.

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WeeWeiWiiWie posted...

That is...

wow. That's a post.

What? "That's so stupid"?

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DuranOfForcena posted...

i have no words

you've broken my brain

with how ridiculous of a post you made

How the hell is it ridiculous?

Do I have to make your counterarguments for you?

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It was self defense. This time. But I don't think this will be the last time Rittenhouse will go to a protest hoping for riots to break out to play hero.

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DuranOfForcena posted...

lmfao the detachment from reality is astounding

Right, so, mockery mode. Nothing more to add, just want to mock and mock and think you're contributing.

I assume the excuse is "you're not worth the time", just like the others? It's just an excuse so you don't have to try. That's all there is to it. You got proven wrong, so you're refusing to admit it. Simple.

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creativerealms posted...

It was self defense. This time. But I don't think this will be the last time Rittenhouse will go to a protest hoping for riots to break out to play hero.

It's a good thing that random speculation isn't taken into consideration in criminal trials.

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Vanished posted...

... Actually, don't most left leaning people support Spider-Man and other Marvel moves? Marvel fans are more likely to be left than right.

Those characters are vigilantes. But they're supported.

Puff puff pass, bro. Don't bogart the good shit.

Vanished posted...

Okay, and?

I'd have to do some checking to make sure, but that's about the only problem here. Every other claim is false in this case. "Murder", etc.

Ok and I don't feel bad for an idiot who fucked around with a firearm he shouldn't have had in the first place.

It's almost as if the laws exist because it was agreed upon that maybe letting kids have pistols and automatic rifles may not be a great idea. Since they tend to do dumb shit. Like pretend they're cops.

Do you not think gun control and serious firearm violations are important?

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DuranOfForcena posted...

lool cry moar

@Gobstoppers12 BTW, this is who you're dealing with. it's another "if you prove me wrong, you aren't worth my time, I don't have to explain how you're wrong because I've deemed you're not worth the time" person. Go ahead and put them on block, they'll descend into the typical mockery the moment they lose.

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TheOtherMike posted...

Puff puff pass, bro. Don't bogart the good shit.

The point is still true. If it's wrong, feel free to explain why.

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PoundGarden posted...

Ok and I don't feel bad for an idiot who fucked around with a firearm he shouldn't have had in the first place.

It's almost as if the laws exist because it was agreed upon that maybe letting kids have pistols and automatic rifles may not be a great idea. Since they tend to do dumb shit. Like pretend they're cops.

Do you not think gun control and serious firearm violations are important?

Okay, well, I DO feel bad if the police are incompetent or aren't trying or are forced to stand down.

If you can correct me, go ahead.

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Gobstoppers12 posted...

It's a good thing that random speculation isn't taken into consideration in criminal trials.

Won't be a good think if it happens.

He went there hoping for some action hoping the protest was one of the few that turned into a riot.
This time it was self defense. So yes he will walk and deserves to but you are deluding yourself if you think that will be the end of it. This is only the beginning. And that is bad. Because all we can do is watch and hope nothing happens.

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Vanished posted...

The point is still true. If it's wrong, feel free to explain why.

You're seriously trying to argue that people on the left should support vigilantism because you believe most fans of fictional comic book vigilantes are on the left.

Hes innocent

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BlackOmnimon posted...

It sets a precedent that they can just go around murdering people if they are smart about it.

That precedent was already set with Zimmerman

Vanished posted...

Okay, well, I DO feel bad if the police are incompetent or aren't trying or are forced to stand down.

If you can correct me, go ahead.

Gladly. Seems to me the police were controlling the situation as best they could right up until an idiot with a gun showed up to play cop and folks got shot.
Shittenhouse's presence added nothing of value and exacerbated things.

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DuranOfForcena posted...

you didn't prove shit though lmfao

also since we're broadcasting to others who exactly they're dealing with, @Vanished is the dude who posted the topic about Paul Gosar's alarming murder-fantasy Attack on Titan edit about killing AOC that he'll likely face no consequences for, and then starts spouting some shit about some comparable fanfic that was posted about AOC killing some republican, though you can't confirm that AOC or her staff had anything to do with it like Gosar's media team did or that AOC herself even shared it like Gosar did or who it was targeting, or who made it, or when:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/79751282

Oh, I did, your logic was crushed and destroyed which is why you resorted to mockery. That's what it looks like, no "nuh uh" is going to save you.

And no, I am free to do that because they are arguing with you, and I'm telling them to not waste their time if you're going to resort to mockery the moment you deem it "not worth it".

This is nowhere near the same thing.

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DuranOfForcena posted...

so you are admitting that you don't understand the difference between reality and fiction

Yeah, I figured this is what your reasoning was. Which is why I was pushing you to say it.

This is moving the goalposts, btw. Point is there but it's still moving the goalposts.

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DuranOfForcena posted...

so you are admitting that you don't understand the difference between reality and fiction

To be fair, there was that one story arc where Spider-Man was feeling lazy and just shot a couple vandals in the head.

Oh wait...

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PoundGarden posted...

Gladly. Seems to me the police were controlling the situation as best they could right up until an idiot with a gun showed up to play cop and folks got shot.
Shittenhouse's presence added nothing of value and exacerbated things.

Can you help me with a source, Bing/Google is not doing me any favors.

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This may well be true TC but it should have no bearing on the trial

Either Rittenhouse is guilty or he is innocent. You can't start factoring in how other people would react as a factor

Remember they did that with OJ Simpson and it was pathetic.

Imagine you were accused of stealing a car and crashing into a flower shop. Would you be happy if how other people would react to your verdict was being considered for whether or not you were guilty?

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AssultTank posted...

Otherwise a 17 year old girl getting assaulted in a bar and shooting her attacker who is trying to rape her with an illegally held gun is a murderer.

More comparable is a girl who deliberately attempts to get herself into a rape situation so that she is justified in murdering a man.

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DuranOfForcena posted...

lmfao you really believe this, don't you

i don't even know who you are or remember seeing any of your posts before today. but in just two topics, in a handful of posts, you have distinctly demonstrated that you have absolutely no grasp whatsoever on what it is to think logically or employ logic in your arguments at all.

Why shouldn't I believe this? You resorted to acting like a Twitter user, including the "lmfaos" and disrespect and thinking what you just did is somehow the same thing as me tagging someone and telling them not to bother with you for a good reason. You've given me no reason to believe otherwise.

Okay, cool, that's just your wrong opinion, made from an excuse so you can justify to yourself why you don't have to explain. And everything else you said on Kyle is opinions as well, I know you're on the "Kyle is a murderer" train so your opinion was technically invalid for a while.

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WeeWeiWiiWie posted...

More comparable is a girl who deliberately attempts to get herself into a rape situation so that she is justified in murdering a man.

Lefties continuously repeating this does not make it proveable, or even likely. Even with the famous excluded voice tape I don't think you could prove such intentions.

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WeeWeiWiiWie posted...

More comparable is a girl who deliberately attempts to get herself into a rape situation so that she is justified in murdering a man.

This actually wouldn't change anything because the man still tried to commit rape independently.

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DeadBankerDream posted...

Lefties continuously repeating this does not make it proveable, or even likely. Even with the famous excluded voice tape I don't think you could prove such intentions.

"You can't prove it hehehe" sounds a lot like "you're correct".

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Vanished posted...

Can you help me with a source, Bing/Google is not doing me any favors.

What are you asking me to prove? This isn't as complex as you're pretending it is.

There weren't mobs of people running around shooting at each other until Shittenhouse showed up.

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I don't think you are. I think the notion sounds Ludacris and isn't borne out by any evidence I've seen, excluded or otherwise.


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WeeWeiWiiWie posted...

More comparable is a girl who

My same thoughts, but I'm not going to risk a suspension arguing rape with a mod. What a terrible analogy lol


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ScazarMeltex posted...

This. One of the guys Rittenhouse shot was armed, he chose not to shoot. If Rittenhouse walks then hopefully the next guy in that situation will understand that no justice will be forthcoming except for what he delivers then and there.

Is every single person operating under the impression that Rittenhouse will do this again?

And yeah, he chose not to shoot because he was going for Rittenhouse's gun, wasn't he? Out of curiosity, did thee person shot own that gun legally?

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WeeWeiWiiWie posted...

"You can't prove it hehehe" sounds a lot like "you're correct".

Same as repeatedly resorting to "it's not illegal!".

"You can't touch me, the law doesn't let you catch me cuz it's not illegal hehehe"

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Do people think that If he's convicted, it won't just give these same right wing people the excuse to attack any anti-protestors that show up to their stuff?

They will use the same victim blaming shit the left has been saying. "Shouldn't have gone to a riot" "knew it was dangerous", "no right to be there", "just being there was provocation", "they looked threatening" etc.

It will also make it harder for people to prove self-defense in court because multiple people attacking you is not enough.

Anybody watching the trial can see it's a pointless waste of time and money. The prosecution barely has anything because it's obvious to anyone that hasn't had their brains melted from left vs right that it was self-defense.

Just look at how someone with a PhD posted this dishonest nonsense yesterday.

WeeWeiWiiWie posted...

Someone who crosses state lines with guns for the express purpose to shoot people probably shouldn't be labeled self defense. But what do I know?

It's irrelevant to bring up the state crossing because that part wasn't illegal and he lived on the border 20 miles away from Kenosha where his dad lives. It's less than going from Brooklyn to the Bronx or about the same as the bottom of Manhattan to the top.

Then he says "guns". So this guy's doesn't even have the story right since it was just one gun.

Then he says "express purpose to shoot people" when none of the evidence that has come out shows anything like that, ignoring how something that dumb can be used to fuck over everybody.

It's just surprising tbh since he's been getting modded for insulting people who have been posting false information about COVID vaccines.

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PoundGarden posted...

What are you asking me to prove? This isn't as complex as you're pretending it is.

There weren't mobs of people running around shooting at each other until Shittenhouse showed up.

I need you to prove that there was police on the scene that night, before Rittenhouse showed up.

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creativerealms posted...

This is only the beginning. And that is bad. Because all we can do is watch and hope nothing happens.

Gobstoppers12 posted...

It's a good thing that random speculation isn't taken into consideration in criminal trials.

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AssultTank posted...

And the dude would have still tried to rape a 17 year old. It's still self defense in that situation. Nothing changes.

Instant loophole in the law. Damn you're good, you just legalized serial killing.

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WeeWeiWiiWie posted...

Instant loophole in the law. Damn you're good, you just legalized serial killing.

Self defense is self defense. You're arguing something dangerously similar to the "asking for it" fallacy here.

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Gobstoppers12 posted...

Self defense is self defense. You're arguing something dangerously similar to the "asking for it" fallacy here.

No, no I'm not, and you'd need to be illiterate to think so. So my guess is the more likely option is just dishonest.

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