Current Events > Everyone at work is so excited that we have kid's COVID vaccines

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Why does it feel like an alt and a main are having a spirited round of agreement with themselves

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Yes, people not taking time to engage with a clearly disingenuous troll is definitely why anti-vaxx people are anti-vaxx.


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SergeantGander posted...

This. I think folks should get vaxxed for sure.

The point I'm making has to do with people response to Feline here.

In any subject, when someone is trying to gain knowledge about a topic they're undecided or uninformed about and one side comes at them screaming their opinions, REGARDLESS of how correct they are, the response from the person seeking knowledge usually isn't going to be to fall right into line with that person shouting at them.

My point is that over the entire vaccine discussion worldwide if people chose to educate and inform about vaccines in a more polite/respectful manner I think we'd have seen less push back from folks

It's fucked up that we ever treated it as a discussion with bunches of equally valid opinions in the first place. Present-day discourse is the result of not challenging lies and incorrect beliefs hard enough.

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hockeybub89 posted...

It's fucked up that we ever treated it as a discussion with bunches of equally valid opinions in the first place. Present-day discourse is the result of not challenging lies and incorrect beliefs hard enough.

this is the issue educate people. Dont see it as some sort of fight needing to be challenge. If you just name call people you disagree with they are less likely to want to side with you and push them further away from the truth.

WeeWeiWiiWie posted...

Yes, people not taking time to engage with a clearly disingenuous troll is definitely why anti-vaxx people are anti-vaxx.

i already asked you to show me a post I was providing wrong information or intentionally misleading and you didnt respond.

WeeWeiWiiWie posted...

Yes, people not taking time to engage with a clearly disingenuous troll is definitely why anti-vaxx people are anti-vaxx.

Nope not what I said.

A lot of the anti-vaxx crowd is Republican. On average, Republicans are generally less educated. As someone who came from a highly uneducated area if there is anything people hate is condescension. Don't treat them like they are dumb, if you do you lost them already, no matter what you're discussing with them.

From day 1 of vaccine rollout I've seen vaccine advocates talking down to people who are hesitant. All this does is cause them to dig their heels in harder.

When engaging with people the way you present your message is nearly as important as the message your presenting. I think as a whole that mark has been missed here and in many other areas of politics today

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shockthemonkey posted...

The issue is people like you who continue to lie and obfuscate issues deliberately despite education

now I feel like Im the one being trolled

Actually read the topic and respond to what I am actually saying not what you think I am trying to do in your head.

WeeWeiWiiWie posted...

Yes, people not taking time to engage with a clearly disingenuous troll is definitely why anti-vaxx people are anti-vaxx.

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SergeantGander posted...

Nope not what I said.

A lot of the anti-vaxx crowd is Republican. On average, Republicans are generally less educated. As someone who came from a highly uneducated area if there is anything people hate is condescension. Don't treat them like they are dumb, if you do you lost them already, no matter what you're discussing with them.

From day 1 of vaccine rollout I've seen vaccine advocates talking down to people who are hesitant. All this does is cause them to dig their heels in harder.

When engaging with people the way you present your message is nearly as important as the message your presenting. I think as a whole that mark has been missed here and in many other areas of politics today

intentionally i feel in some cases.

Feline posted...

this is the issue educate people. Dont see it as some sort of fight needing to be challenge. If you just name call people you disagree with they are less likely to want to side with you and push them further away from the truth.

'If we stop calling the people taking Ivermectin horse paste lovers, then they'll start taking the vaccine! We just have to treat them with respect.'

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hockeybub89 posted...

It's ****ed up that we ever treated it as a discussion with bunches of equally valid opinions in the first place. Present-day discourse is the result of not challenging lies and incorrect beliefs hard enough.

@hockeybub89

Definitely. My big point here that I made at end of my last point is we should seek to educate people in a manner that doesn't cause more polarization.

100000% challenge lies and incorrect beliefs but I believe the manner in which it is done is extremely important. If I had the answer for how to better educate the whole Qanon or anti-vaxx population, I wouldn't be here posting about it I'd be out working on it.

I think that is the question we need to answer, how can we overcome the variety of education/cultural backgrounds/polarization to educate people about risks like covid rn but also whatever else the future throws at us

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SergeantGander posted...

@hockeybub89

Definitely. My big point here that I made at end of my last point is we should seek to educate people in a manner that doesn't cause more polarization.

100000% challenge lies and incorrect beliefs but I believe the manner in which it is done is extremely important. If I had the answer for how to better educate the whole Qanon or anti-vaxx population, I wouldn't be here posting about it I'd be out working on it.

I think that is the question we need to answer, how can we overcome the variety of education/cultural backgrounds/polarization to educate people about risks like covid rn but also whatever else the future throws at us

Because people dont want to educate
. They just want to be right. As per the responses in this topic so far.

Just beyond belief the way some people are. Still can't believe the amount of idiots there are.

Well done to those virtue signalling too.

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Post 12 was when you should have just stopped giving the benefit of the doubt and marked him.

"700k Americans have died from Covid, but I'm just not sure what the adverse effects are! Oh, but this one person got blood clots from the vaccine. That's something that concerns me..."


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Feline posted...

Because people dont want to educate
. They just want to be right. As per the responses in this topic so far.

Better to believe in facts than to be nice. If I idiots have the self-awareness to deliberately ignore the truth out of spite, then they have the ability to choose to be correct too. It is on them to change or get left in the dust and dragged along to progress.

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Hmm, well... if Covid has a 1% chance of killing a child, and the vaccine reduces that to 0,02% but at the 0,0004% chance of causing an adverse reaction, it hink taking the vaccine is the less risky option.

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Mods actually on watch today.
Keep up the good job!

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