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JonThePenguin 11/18/21 8:11:47 PM #1: |
First three episodes are up now on Amazon Prime
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Not Dave 11/18/21 8:18:17 PM #2: |
Nice. Excited to check it out tomorrow.
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KingButz 11/18/21 9:24:34 PM #3: |
Much of what I've seen about it so far has looked questionable. Yeah it's an adaption and they have to make changes, I just think they made some weird ones. But maybe it's just not for me.
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LeonhartFour 11/18/21 10:55:00 PM #4: |
just watched the first episode
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UshiromiyaEva 11/18/21 10:56:50 PM #5: |
I've never read a page of the book, so I'm really just interested in how it is in a vacuum.
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Anagram 11/18/21 11:00:12 PM #6: |
I've only read the first book. What changes were made?
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LeonhartFour 11/18/21 11:01:41 PM #7: |
Anagram posted...
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NFUN 11/18/21 11:02:48 PM #8: |
most of the changes make sense. spoilers for the first four or so books and the first episode:
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KingButz 11/18/21 11:07:53 PM #9: |
Fridging is super lame
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NFUN 11/18/21 11:20:40 PM #10: |
KingButz posted...
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CoolCly 11/18/21 11:21:51 PM #11: |
First episode watched. I think its awesome - though moving too fast. They should spend more time here. Strongly disliked the first minute of exposition especially.
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Radix 11/19/21 2:19:24 PM #12: |
first ep watched! some things i liked, some things i didnt like, but overall not bad. not sure if ill watch more today or spread it out
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Mac Arrowny 11/19/21 2:44:33 PM #13: |
I've watched the first episode and a half. It's pretty solid so far. Atmosphere is good. I think Mat might be the best done character of the younger ones? Moiraine and Lan are good too.
The Perrin stuff made me burst out laughing. Felt very silly to me and it's a bit strange it hasn't been more focused on. One Power effects are pretty good, but Moiraine moves way too much IMO. Not a fan of her dancing to use it. Mat's parents' issues felt a bit silly too. The other changes all seem fine, though I wasn't a fan of how easily Valda was able to kill an Aes Sedai - should've had her be unconscious imo. The songs haven't been amazing. I hope they do the --- All the stars in the sky are waiting for you. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Radix 11/20/21 1:50:07 PM #14: |
ep 2 watched
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MysteriousStan 11/20/21 8:12:01 PM #15: |
Never read the books but I'm liking this!
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Tom Bombadil 11/20/21 8:51:41 PM #16: |
Radix posted...
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LeonhartFour 11/20/21 10:12:44 PM #17: |
Just finished the second episode. Yeah, that one was a lot better.
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LeonhartFour 11/20/21 11:19:28 PM #18: |
Finished episode 3 now
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NFUN 11/21/21 12:12:42 AM #19: |
Tom Bombadil posted...
cancelling my pre-orderLan hasn't called Rand a sheepherder once! --- Kneel... or you will be knelt ... Copied to Clipboard!
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azuarc 11/21/21 10:31:48 AM #20: |
That's unfortunate. The thing that really set Wheel of Time apart from other works in its mold is that the main character wasn't a clueless, backwater farm boy.
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Mac Arrowny 11/26/21 2:26:10 PM #21: |
Ep 4 good, despite being a bit fillery. They sure do kill a lot of
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Seanchan 11/29/21 12:20:28 AM #22: |
Finally got a chance to watch the first 4 episodes. Here are my thoughts as I went along:
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Leonhart4 11/29/21 12:23:53 AM #23: |
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Seanchan 11/29/21 6:59:44 AM #24: |
Forgot to mention one big headscratcher, the insistence that the Dragon Reborn could be either male OR female.
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Leonhart4 11/29/21 7:48:21 AM #25: |
Yeah, that was another thing that felt like they were doing drama for the sake of drama.
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JonThePenguin 11/29/21 8:14:24 AM #26: |
The showrunner addressed that on a Reddit AMA, as it happens.
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Maniac64 11/29/21 9:09:27 AM #27: |
I dont feel like that works as an explanation in this case. Moraine obviously believes in the dragon reborn, she has dedicated her life to it. And believing that Lews Therin will be reborn but not as a male channeler doesnt really make sense. Only way that works is if they are going to make being reborn as the wrong sex but with your original power source a naturally occurring thing, which would be a huge change.
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redrocket 11/29/21 9:32:27 AM #28: |
Granted its been a while since Ive read the books, but it seems like hes really downplaying how much distrust/disbelief in ancient prophecy is already present in the series.
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redrocket 11/29/21 9:36:02 AM #29: |
Also, the way hes wording that explanation is a bit off. Hes literally saying that their interpretation is more true to the world than what Jordan originally wrote!
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KingButz 11/29/21 9:44:37 AM #30: |
He probably believes that
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Mac Arrowny 11/29/21 9:45:41 AM #31: |
His explanation there isn't the best. He posted some other stuff about it too, as did Brandon Sanderson, who consulted on the show. I think the idea is that people can be reborn as the other gender in this version (not 100% sure about this part), which makes some people think the Dragon Reborn could be female, but that part's not true - the Dragon Reborn is guaranteed to be male.
KingButz posted... He probably believes that Edit: missed this earlier. If you look through more of what he's said, most of the changes are do to demands from studio executives, the cost of squishing it into 8 episodes (he wanted 10), and budget/actor/etc. issues. His original image of the show was more faithful to the books. --- All the stars in the sky are waiting for you. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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azuarc 11/29/21 11:09:58 AM #32: |
Ugh. Studio exec demands.
Anyway, the main thing that jumps at me is that canonically male channelers are stronger than female channelers -- which I can totally see being something they may want to remove -- but under that stipulation the Dragon basically has to be a male channeler. --- Only the exceptions can be exceptional. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Leonhart4 11/29/21 11:29:12 AM #33: |
redrocket posted...
Granted its been a while since Ive read the books, but it seems like hes really downplaying how much distrust/disbelief in ancient prophecy is already present in the series. Yeah, this is already an important plot point in the books, so there was no need to one-up it. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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NFUN 11/29/21 11:31:55 AM #34: |
azuarc posted...
Ugh. Studio exec demands.Logain was considerably stronger than Nynaeve in the books, so it looks like they probably are removing that --- Kneel... or you will be knelt ... Copied to Clipboard!
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redrocket 11/29/21 11:38:31 AM #35: |
I want to say though that despite the changes I am definitely still enjoying this!
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azuarc 11/29/21 11:40:22 AM #36: |
NFUN posted...
Logain was considerably stronger than Nynaeve in the books, so it looks like they probably are removing that Is that something they did(n't)? I'm just reading this thread from the sidelines. --- Only the exceptions can be exceptional. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mac Arrowny 11/29/21 11:45:21 AM #37: |
Logain is clearly weaker than Nynaeve in the show, yes. It's not 100% clear who's stronger in the books (there's one line about it from Nynaeve's perspective, and it's not like they actually fight to confirm it). On top of that, it was implied that
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NFUN 11/29/21 11:50:39 AM #38: |
nynaeve is canonically much weaker and
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Seanchan 11/29/21 12:04:45 PM #39: |
It's a silly point anyway (who the DR is going to be) considering it'll very, very likely be known who the DR is by the end of the first season, assuming it matches with what happens in the first book, timeline-wise.
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Mac Arrowny 11/29/21 12:08:30 PM #40: |
NFUN posted...
nynaeve is canonically much weaker and Both of these are false. --- All the stars in the sky are waiting for you. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Leonhart4 11/29/21 12:21:17 PM #41: |
Wasn't Nynaeve able to
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KamikazePotato 11/29/21 12:24:07 PM #42: |
Mac Arrowny posted...
If you look through more of what he's said, most of the changes are do to demands from studio executives,Oh no. --- It's Reyn Time. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Radix 11/29/21 12:34:40 PM #43: |
Leonhart4 posted...
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KamikazePotato 11/29/21 12:36:38 PM #44: |
I will say that male and female channelers being equal is a good change. I don't think there was any good reason for that plot point, and it didn't matter much in the books anyway
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KingButz 11/29/21 12:39:14 PM #45: |
It was about linking. Women can link and men cannot without a woman's help, plus the woman controls the link.
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Radix 11/29/21 12:40:09 PM #46: |
also the The Wheel of Time Companion book has power levels (depending on canonical it is)
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KamikazePotato 11/29/21 12:48:52 PM #47: |
KingButz posted...
It was about linking. Women can link and men cannot without a woman's help, plus the woman controls the link.Yeah but that's still not a fun form of balance, and in a fantasy story like these individual expression is important. The notion that someone like Nynaeve wouldn't have actually been a big deal compared to top male channelers is just kind of...lame? That's my best way of describing it. --- It's Reyn Time. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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NFUN 11/29/21 12:58:00 PM #48: |
Mac Arrowny posted...
Both of these are false. --- Kneel... or you will be knelt ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mac Arrowny 11/29/21 12:59:16 PM #49: |
Radix posted...
also the The Wheel of Time Companion book has power levels (depending on canonical it is) They're not canon at all - Lanfear's explicitly stated in the books to be stronger than all the Forsaken other than Ishamael, while this chart has her as weaker than all the male Forsaken (and also Narishma lol). --- All the stars in the sky are waiting for you. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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redrocket 11/29/21 12:59:18 PM #50: |
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