Poll of the Day > Kyle Rittenhouse is the kind of youth this country needs

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Ozmose
11/24/21 5:18:02 PM
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KodyKeir posted...
Revelation34 posted...
No prosecution in any state can appeal a not guilty verdict.

Not entirely true, in cases of Judicial misconduct (like denying clear evidence of premeditation) a not guilty verdict can be appealed.

Revelation34 posted...
Gage's suit is going to go nowhere after he admitted it was his own fault.

Perhaps, Kyle will still have to fight it in court, plus the families of his other two victims.

There is no evidence of premeditation. He had plenty of opportunities to shoot looters all night, but he didn't. He didn't shoot anyone until he was attacked. It was cut and dry self defense.

Even if he does lose the civil suits (which I doubt he will). It will be a drop in the bucket compared to what he's going to win from suing CNN and MSNBC.

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KodyKeir
11/24/21 5:55:22 PM
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Ozmose posted...
There is no evidence of premeditation.

There was plenty of evidence, the judge disallowed it from being entered into the record. DoJ is investigating. I expect federal charges will be laid.

Ozmose posted...
He had plenty of opportunities to shoot looters all night, but he didn't.

Until he did. By his own admission.

Ozmose posted...
It was cut and dry self defense.

Shooting a defenceless person, lying on the ground, in the back is not self defence. This verdict flies in the face of past precedent as set by the Supreme Court in Tennessee v. Garner (1985).

Ozmose posted...
Even if he does lose the civil suits (which I doubt he will). It will be a drop in the bucket compared to what he's going to win from suing CNN and MSNBC.

Evidentiary threshold for civil suits is lower than in a criminal case, it is unlikely the civil trial judge will disallow the evidence of premeditation like Schroeder did.

I hope he does sue the media, and Joe Biden, the counter-suit will bankrupt him. He'll end up settling out of court at the low cost of paying everyone's legal fees though; after he is deposed by opposing council, his lawyers will sit him down and (finally) explain what type of barrel he is over and how bad it will be for him to take the case to trial.

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chelsea_wtf
11/24/21 7:20:33 PM
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do you guys think mario eats pussy

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ArvTheGreat
11/24/21 7:47:34 PM
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Arv got modded for being pro Kyle

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Revelation34
11/25/21 1:10:42 AM
#55:


KodyKeir posted...


Not entirely true, in cases of Judicial misconduct (like denying clear evidence of premeditation) a not guilty verdict can be appealed.

Perhaps, Kyle will still have to fight it in court, plus the families of his other two victims.

Voters are not the issue, DoJ is involved now.


I said a not guilty verdict. Judicial judgement would only apply if the judge had thrown out the lawsuit or did something similar. Kyle has nothing to fight in court since he's not the one getting sued. The city itself and the police are. I cannot find a single article talking about the Department of Justice and Bruce Schroeder.

KodyKeir posted...
Until he did. By his own admission.


That never happened. Unless you're saying that all 3 of them were looters which there's no evidence of.

KodyKeir posted...
Shooting a defenceless person, lying on the ground, in the back is not self defence.


That didn't happen either. He got shot in the back as he was falling down from the initial burst of fire.
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KodyKeir
11/25/21 1:43:58 AM
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Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee Jerry Nadler said on Friday he was referring the matter to the DoJ, it'll be radio silence from the DoJ until a determination is made on whether charges should be laid.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/kyle-rittenhouse-verdict-doj-review-b1961147.html

Revelation34 posted...
That never happened.


He admitted to shooting three people, it was Judge Schroeder that insisted on calling them "looters" (inadvertently nullifying his own reasons for tossing out the evidence of premeditation) and barred the prosecution from calling the victims, victims.

Revelation34 posted...
He got shot in the back as he was falling down from the initial burst of fire.

Still not covered under Tennessee v. Garner, you can not shoot a fleeing individual and claim self defence. You also must have missed the evidence where Kyle fired again as the victim was on the ground.

The only way that the trajectories of the gunshot wounds to the right side of the head and the back make sense is if hes more horizontal to the ground and that is occurring at the time the last two gunshot wounds are heard on the video, Kelley responded.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/kyle-rittenhouse-fatally-shot-man-was-horizontal-position-kenosha-prot-rcna4959

EDIT: want to add it was a semi automatic rifle, they do not fire in bursts like an automatic unless it was also equipped with a bump stock.

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FatalAccident
11/25/21 1:54:40 AM
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Itt if you murder someone you havent murdered someone lol

but yo lol the fact that a child can run around with an assault rifle and murder two people and get away with it is insane.

Let me tell you guys, that is not normal lol. Nothing about that situation is okay at all lol

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Revelation34
11/25/21 1:56:56 AM
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KodyKeir posted...
He admitted to shooting three people, it was Judge Schroeder that insisted on calling them "looters" (inadvertently nullifying his own reasons for tossing out the evidence of premeditation) and barred the prosecution from calling the victims, victims.


Then that never happened either. Schroeder's exact words were the defense could only call them that if they had evidence for it AND if it was relevant to the case itself. Don't get your information from people on Twitter. Read the actual articles or watch the actual videos.

Let's also see. I bet you think the gun crossed state lines.

KodyKeir posted...
Still not covered under Tennessee v. Garner, you can not shoot a fleeing individual and claim self defence. You also must have missed the evidence where Kyle fired again as the victim was on the ground.


Nobody fled except for McGinnis and the "Jumpkick Man".

KodyKeir posted...
The only way that the trajectories of the gunshot wounds to the right side of the head and the back make sense is if hes more horizontal to the ground and that is occurring at the time the last two gunshot wounds are heard on the video, Kelley responded.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/kyle-rittenhouse-fatally-shot-man-was-horizontal-position-kenosha-prot-rcna4959

EDIT: want to add it was a semi automatic rifle, they do not fire in bursts like an automatic.


He shot multiple times in a matter of seconds. Which is a perfectly normal thing to happen with a gun like that.
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KodyKeir
11/25/21 3:09:05 AM
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Revelation34 posted...
Schroeder's exact words were the defense could only call them that if they had evidence for it AND if it was relevant to the case itself.


"The word 'victim' is a loaded, loaded word. And I think 'alleged victim' is a cousin to it," Judge Bruce Schroeder said on Monday, asking prosecutors to instead use the terms "complaining witness" or "decedent" to refer to those shot by Rittenhouse. (Though not universal, it is not unheard of for judges to feel that the word "victim" presupposes the defendant's guilt.)
Meanwhile, the defense will be allowed to refer to the three people Rittenhouse shot as "arsonists," "looters" or "rioters" so long as they took part in those activities, Schroeder ruled a decision prosecutor Thomas Binger called "a double standard."

https://www.npr.org/2021/10/26/1049458617/kyle-rittenhouse-victims-arsonists-looters-judge-ruled

Revelation34 posted...
Nobody fled except

the ones who did

Revelation34 posted...
He shot multiple times in a matter of seconds. Which is a perfectly normal thing to happen with a gun like that.

Which is called careless use of a firearm, every shot fired must be considered before it is made, otherwise it is reckless endangerment, at the very least. (As seen in the wrongful death of India Kager by police in VA who fired thirty rounds in ten seconds)

TBF I'm from Canada where you actually have to account for every shot fired. A recent example is the conviction of Officer James Forcillo in the death of Sammy Yatim; Forcillo was found not guilty of murder for the first shot which was fatal, but was found guilty of attempted murder for every subsequent shot that was made into the dying body of Mr. Yatim.


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Revelation34
11/25/21 5:31:14 AM
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KodyKeir posted...


https://www.npr.org/2021/10/26/1049458617/kyle-rittenhouse-victims-arsonists-looters-judge-ruled\\

"so long as they took part in those activities" There you go.

the ones who did

Which is called careless use of a firearm, every shot fired must be considered before it is made, otherwise it is reckless endangerment, at the very least. (As seen in the wrongful death of India Kager by police in VA who fired thirty rounds in ten seconds)

TBF I'm from Canada where you actually have to account for every shot fired. A recent example is the conviction of Officer James Forcillo in the death of Sammy Yatim; Forcillo was found not guilty of murder for the first shot which was fatal, but was found guilty of attempted murder for every subsequent shot that was made into the dying body of Mr. Yatim.



Well that's obvious trolling.

Well that explains it since you don't understand American law.
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BUMPED2002
11/25/21 6:14:07 AM
#61:


King_Dilly posted...
He actually does meaningful contribution and isnt selfish. The acquittal was correct and anyone who is upset about it is ignoring or not aware of the facts. I should have not been moderated previously for calling a murderer a hero. Since he has officially been found not guilty in a court of law, the right thing to do is for the moderation team to apologize and reverse the penalty of my moderation.
I don't think any country needs armed teens roaming the streets taking the law into their hands. Be a teen and hang with your buddies and your gf not walking around toting weapons.

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Red04
11/25/21 6:30:10 AM
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BUMPED2002 posted...
I don't think any country needs armed teens roaming the streets taking the law into their hands. Be a teen and hang with your buddies and your gf not walking around toting weapons.
For sure, and we also dont need mobs of rioters threatening and attacking people, causing mayhem and leaving nothing but destruction in their wake.
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KodyKeir
11/25/21 1:25:09 PM
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Revelation34 posted...
you don't understand American law.

I understand it better then you.

You can not shoot a fleeing person in the back and call it self defence. That's settled law as per the SCOTUS.

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captpackrat
11/25/21 1:34:41 PM
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Revelation34
11/26/21 11:36:31 PM
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KodyKeir posted...


I understand it better then you.

You can not shoot a fleeing person in the back and call it self defence. That's settled law as per the SCOTUS.


How can you shoot a fleeing person who is already falling down from being shot from the initial burst of fire?
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KodyKeir
11/27/21 2:00:57 AM
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Revelation34 posted...
How can you shoot a fleeing person who is already falling down from being shot from the initial burst of fire?

Your question disregards care and control, this is not an automatic weapon, each shot after the disabling shot became a potential attempted murder charge the instant the firing pin hit the primer, the fact that one of those shots was fatal, makes the charge murder.

The onus is on the operator to only fire as needed to protect life and limb. Excessive force cannot be considered self defence.

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UnMead
11/27/21 2:03:56 AM
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Get rid of the fucking guns. Dont tell me it cant be done. Humans havent met a challenge yet that has stopped us. We can solve gun violence if we just try.

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Krazy_Kirby
11/27/21 2:25:37 AM
#69:


UnMead posted...
Get rid of the fucking guns. Dont tell me it cant be done. Humans havent met a challenge yet that has stopped us. We can solve gun violence if we just try.


and get killed when someone attacks you with blades/bats/etc
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UnMead
11/27/21 2:26:52 AM
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Krazy_Kirby posted...
and get killed when someone attacks you with blades/bats/etc

why is someone attacking you? Is someone planning on attacking you?

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Decoy77
11/27/21 2:43:52 AM
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Yeah I was modded many times in posts with him, the commie/leftists mods of this site are crazy, they can't dare have anything be said against their very WRONG groupthink.

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UnMead
11/27/21 2:56:15 AM
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Decoy77 posted...
Yeah I was modded many times in posts with him, the commie/leftists mods of this site are crazy, they can't dare have anything be said against their very WRONG groupthink.

lmao you complain more about moderations than anyone Ive ever seen

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Kanatteru
11/27/21 2:58:33 AM
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gamefaqs tos is incredibly centrist actually

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Revelation34
11/27/21 7:23:33 AM
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KodyKeir posted...


Your question disregards care and control, this is not an automatic weapon, each shot after the disabling shot became a potential attempted murder charge the instant the firing pin hit the primer, the fact that one of those shots was fatal, makes the charge murder.

The onus is on the operator to only fire as needed to protect life and limb. Excessive force cannot be considered self defence.


You claimed he was fleeing which there was no way he could have in the first place. You also ignored he only got got shot in the back from falling down. This is shit we knew from the very beginning. All you would need to do is have watched the videos back then. They were the same exact ones used during the trial.
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KodyKeir
11/27/21 9:10:40 AM
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Revelation34 posted...
All you would need to do is have watched the videos back then.

I did, it can not be considered self defence. He set out not to protect life and limb, but to protect property, high on fantasies of shooting his way into herodom, his presence inflamed tensions, resulting in lethal force being enacted beyond the care and control of a reasonable individual. He was little more then a soldier of fortune on a battlefield with no qualifications, operating off his own rules of engagement with wanton disregard for human life.

He's Jimbo from Southpark before they changed it to, "We're thinning the heard".

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