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Wondering

Somehow...

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Palpatine

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Wasn't great, but wasn't bad. Force Awakens is easily the best of the 3.

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It didn't have enough intrigue

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Also because Jedi are ficking annoying

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I didn't.

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Also what does "was bad spoilers" have to do with anythibg

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Well, bringing back Emperor Palpatine for starters.

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they managed to steer a trainwreck into bigger pile of trainwreck.

also the knife. that was dumb AF.

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Rei didn't have to train to use a lightlaber. She just picked one up and was immediately an expert. Same for the Stormtropper. Force is supposed to be something that takes years of practice and discipline.
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Beveren_Rabbit posted...

Rei didn't have to train to use a lightlaber. She just picked one up and was immediately an expert. Same for the Stormtropper. Force is supposed to be something that takes years of practice and discipline.

Ayanami?

I don't understand why we didn't see the Palpatine transmission the opening crawl talks about.

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Oh, man... So many things. Just off the top of my head

• Palpatine brought back with absolutely no reason given beyond ''Sith cloning/Somehow Palpatine returned''
• We're somehow expected to believe the Death Star had pieces just laying around on some random planet despite watching the whole FUCKING thing explode in RotJ.
• Kylo's ship violently spins out of control, crashes and EXPLODES after he tries to run Rey down with it and he somehow gets out 2 seconds later without a scratch on him.
• ''They fly now?!'' Meanwhile, we've literally had jetpacks in-universe since way back in the prequel days with Jango Fett.
• ''I am all the Sith/I am all the Jedi'' was such a shit way to try to copy the MCU. Not to mention it sounds cringe as fuck
• Rey and Kylo spend the whole trilogy trying to kill each other and then all of a sudden they kiss because reasons. I guess she really liked him shirtless?
• Palpatine is so unbelievably stupid when facing Rey and Kylo. He was previously shown to effortlessly ragdoll them and then all of a sudden he forgets he has a brain and just spams his lightning which is clearly not working and ends up killing himself
• Finn's big secret he was gonna tell Rey when he thought they were dying is literally never actually revealed in the movie. You have to go seek an outside interview to know wtf he was gonna say.
• Kylo has absolutely no reason to see Han as a ghost or whatever the fuck that was. Han's not a force user so he absolutely cannot just come back from the grave. If this was some hallucination brought out by Kylo's own guilt it's just him forgiving himself which is a really funny and dumb way for him to be ''redeemed''
• Speaking of redeemed Ben, he really didn't even get to do jack shit. He turned good, ran off to face Palpatine and died immediately after. What a waste.
• The Knights of Ren still got absolutely no explanation of any kind. They were just absent in the trilogy up until now and then show up with no force powers or even lightsabers just to be fodderized by Ben to make him look good

There are sooo many other things, I'm sure, but I only saw the movie twice and have tried my best to forget it exists.

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I enjoyed it.

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BeyondWalls posted...

I don't understand why we didn't see the Palpatine transmission the opening crawl talks about.

It was made for Fortnite, so they probably had control over reusing it in the movie.

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BipBapBam posted...

You have to go seek an outside interview to know wtf he was gonna say.

wait
what did he say

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BipBapBam posted...

Oh, man... So many things. Just off the top of my head

* Palpatine brought back with absolutely no reason given beyond ''Sith cloning/Somehow Palpatine returned''
* We're somehow expected to believe the Death Star had pieces just laying around on some random planet despite watching the whole FUCKING thing explode in RotJ.
* Kylo's ship violently spins out of control, crashes and EXPLODES after he tries to run Rey down with it and he somehow gets out 2 seconds later without a scratch on him.
* ''They fly now?!'' Meanwhile, we've literally had jetpacks in-universe since way back in the prequel days with Jango Fett.
* ''I am all the Sith/I am all the Jedi'' was such a shit way to try to copy the MCU. Not to mention it sounds cringe as fuck
* Rey and Kylo spend the whole trilogy trying to kill each other and then all of a sudden they kiss because reasons. I guess she really liked him shirtless?
* Palpatine is so unbelievably stupid when facing Rey and Kylo. He was previously shown to effortlessly ragdoll them and then all of a sudden he forgets he has a brain and just spams his lightning which is clearly not working and ends up killing himself
* Finn's big secret he was gonna tell Rey when he thought they were dying is literally never actually revealed in the movie. You have to go seek an outside interview to know wtf he was gonna say.
* Kylo has absolutely no reason to see Han as a ghost or whatever the fuck that was. Han's not a force user so he absolutely cannot just come back from the grave. If this was some hallucination brought out by Kylo's own guilt it's just him forgiving himself which is a really funny and dumb way for him to be ''redeemed''
* Speaking of redeemed Ben, he really didn't even get to do jack shit. He turned good, ran off to face Palpatine and died immediately after. What a waste.
* The Knights of Ren still got absolutely no explanation of any kind. They were just absent in the trilogy up until now and then show up with no force powers or even lightsabers just to be fodderized by Ben to make him look good
There are sooo many other things, I'm sure, but I only saw the movie twice and have tried my best to forget it exists.

Very cohesive list. I agree with all your points.

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BipBapBam posted...

Finn's big secret he was gonna tell Rey when he thought they were dying is literally never actually revealed in the movie. You have to go seek an outside interview to know wtf he was gonna say.

I'm too lazy to read through the rest of this nonsense but if it wasn't completely obvious to you...lmao? Did you even pay attention to the movies?

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_BlueMonk posted...

wait
what did he say

That he was force sensitive. I guess it was teased in the movie, just never actually stated. Like all those times he said ''Just a feeling'' when asked how he knew something in the final battle

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It felt like the whole movie was Lucasfilm being really bitter that TLJ was so controversial that they decided to half-assedly respond to every bad faith criticism as if they were saying "This is the ****ing Star Wars you ****ing deserve"

Bitter incels literally bully the actress who plays Rose off of the internet for the crime of being in The Last Jedi? Well **** her she's demoted to "one of literally 2 rebels with a line"

Rey is a nobody and anyone can be a Jedi since the entire world isn't about the Skywalkers? lol nope Rey is a Palpatine and her parents abandoned her on a ****hole out of the goodness of their hearts and that somehow makes sense.

Poe needs to take a step back and thing about the bigger picture for a minute if he wants to be a great leader? well **** it now he does nothing.

Finn has learned how important the rebel cause actually is? lol no he's Rey's sidekick again.

Teenagers on twitter are having fun shipping Finn and Poe? they both get completely unneccesarry no-homo girlfriends that serve no point to the plot aside to keep them doing something else.

Bitter Incel Kylo Ren is now running the first Order? lol nope we want to tread old water so he needs to be redeemed (which he'll barely need to actually earn) so Palpatine is just back so we have a generic bad guy for Rey to beat. What about that really obvious bitterness between Kylo and Hux? lol naw Hux is just gonna die and we'll throw a generic Imperial guy in his spot.

Lol its a running joke that "why didn't Chewie get a medal?" Yeah well fine he gets one, but its completely pointless, serves no purpose and just stops the scene dead for no reason.

Chewie dies? lol nope! C3P0 dies? lol nope! R2D2 dies? lol nope! Rey dies? lol nope (okay this one I think is fine) Kylo Ren dies? lol nope, wait, yes, wait, nope, wait, yes.

That last kiss between Rey and Kylo is maybe the most awkward thing in the entire series, and one of the most famous scenes in this series is a triumphant kiss between 2 siblings.

etc...

The main problem is that it was rushed, and the plot points it followed to get to the climax were super arbitrary--the whole "sith dagger" thing is just outright silly. Who the fuck made the dagger? It couldn't have been more than ~30 years old, either, so it's weird to treat it as some kind of ancient Sith artifact.

Another major problem, plot-wise, is that the saga was clearly not intended to end this way. Most of these plot details were clearly cooked up in the writing room for episode 9 and nowhere before that. Nothing in 7 or 8 hinted at Palpatine, the little tidbits about Rey's parents had no payoff at all, and the whole 'force dyad full of life energy' was just a weird route to take. Most of the "payoff" in 9 felt weird and unsatisfying.

However, there are some good points. Rey being a Palpatine is actually interesting (rather, it had the potential to be), and the lightsaber fights are all really fucking cool. I love Adam Driver, and he's great in this movie like the others. The one scene with Luke walking out of the burning ship with his lightsaber in hand was some good shit. Kylo Ren becoming Ben again was awesome, and his attitude was perfect in the brief time we saw him as his 'real' self.

But...other characters were woefully underused, or used in ways that did their development no favors. Finn and Poe basically could have been any random Resistance soldiers; nothing about their characterization reaches any kind of logical conclusion or finality to their arcs. They just kind of exist. Furthermore, they exist and are weirdly super hostile toward one another for no fucking reason at all. Why is Poe way more of an asshole in RoS than he was in either TFA or TLJ?

Palpatine was a fucking meme, and even though his Bass Boosted lightning was awesome as fuck, he kind of felt like a footnote. If the writers were going to use him, they needed to use him in at least two movies. His surprise third act appearance was too sudden to be truly compelling. He never developed any kind of relationship to any of the other characters, and his dialogue never had any of the personal, specific impact that he had with Luke in RotJ or with Anakin in RotS.

Basically, Episode 9 was Palpatine's weakest showing as a character despite displaying his strongest feats with the force.

A lot of the issues with the movie can be summarized by it feeling clumsy. It's like it never quite knows what it wants itself to be. It's got some great action scenes (every saber fight is badass), it's got some great emotional moments involving Rey and Ben (both together and separately), and it's even got a few legitimately funny lines (most from C-3PO)

But it doesn't feel cohesive. It feels like something slapped together to tie up loose ends that weren't ready to be tied up. Honestly, the pacing of this trilogy would have been better served with more than three movies. You might ask: "How can a whole trilogy feel rushed?" Well, that's because its story was paced like an MCU project.

We got teased about the Knights of Ren. We got teased by the prospect of Kylo Ren having his training completed. We got teased about Rey's potential as a Palpatine. We get the briefest glimpse of Ben Solo in his redeemed, more Han-esque personality, and then ultimately he gets like two lines and one fight scene. We got teased by a ton of different things...and they all just kind of fizzled out in a climax that thought it was way more epic than it actually was.

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Oh yeah, I can't believe I also forgot to mention Rey stealing the Skywalker name at the end is incredibly stupid and makes zero sense.

First off, no, that's not your god damn name, you're a fucking Palpatine whether you like it or not. Second, who in the hell did she want to take after with said name? Luke? He's literally the only actual Skywalker she met and he spent their entire time together being a grumpy old man telling her the Jedi need to end. Rey was infinitely closer to Han as a father figure in TFA and Leia by the time of TRoS, but fuck the Solo name I guess. Leia never took up the Skywalker name since she hated Vader's guts. But I guess that would've made her kissing Ben Solo even more awkward if she took his name lmao? Oops.

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i'm not entirely sure what about it wasn't bad

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anime avatars and obsessing over hating star wars, name a more iconic duo

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Remember when Rebel was an actual legit poster when he would talk about Elder Scrolls lore instead of posting weak bait

I miss those days

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BipBapBam posted...

Oh yeah, I can't believe I also forgot to mention Rey stealing the Skywalker name at the end is incredibly stupid and makes zero sense.

First off, no, that's not your god damn name, you're a fucking Palpatine whether you like it or not. Second, who in the hell did she want to take after with said name? Luke? He's literally the only actual Skywalker she met and he spent their entire time together being a grumpy old man telling her the Jedi need to end. Rey was infinitely closer to Han as a father figure in TFA and Leia by the time of TRoS, but fuck the Solo name I guess. Leia never took up the Skywalker name since she hated Vader's guts. But I guess that would've made her kissing Ben Solo even more awkward if she took his name lmao? Oops.

Yeah of the 3 main characters from the original trilogy, Leia is obviously the one who had the best relationship with Rey, so if she took anyone's name, it should've been Organa.

But whatever, its not fanservice then cause the normies don't know what Leia's last name is.

BipBapBam posted...

Remember when Rebel was an actual legit poster when he would talk about Elder Scrolls lore instead of posting weak bait

I miss those days

I'm still happy to do so, but laughing at random alts crying about SW is always fun

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Ysmir posted...

I'm still happy to do so, but laughing at random alts crying about SW is always fun

"random alts"
>literally has only 6 karma

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Also, I could have sworn we just did this topic yesterday

(although tbf, that was mainly about Chewie, but it ended up being about the ST as a whole anyway)

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Didn't think it was terrible but have no desire to watch it again

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I thought it was bad because it was a rushed, disjointed macguffin quest. A character is believed to have died, and five minutes later they're reintroduced as alive without giving the audience any time to miss them. The villain's plot is entirely out of left field, they handwave Snoke as some insignificant pawn because they couldn't use him after TLJ, and characters like Keri Russell keep showing up and leaving in 10 minute increments.

The Rise of Skywalker was barely a movie, it literally just existed to wrap up an unplanned trilogy that went off the rails. They put two movie's worth of plot points into this movie, and everything suffered - the writing is breakneck, the character relationships are flat, and the plot is a game of connect the dots.

Also, John Boyega continues to get robbed, and Reylo fucking sucks

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I haven't seen any of them

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