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Xeybozn 12/01/21 1:23:13 PM #51:	Not_an_Owl posted... If only there had been some way to prevent this. Something like, oh I don't know, packing the court. Packing the court wouldn't solve the problem. The Republicans would just do the same thing in a few years. (Unless you're saying the Democrats should start rigging the election system so they never lose again, which would certainly be something.) --- Congrats to 2020 GotD Guru champ azuarc! <cite>Xeybozn posted [p:960524179] in Politics C... [t:79786697]...</cite> <quote>Not_an_Owl posted...</cite> <quote>If only there had been some way to prevent this. Something like, oh I don't know, packing the court. </quote> Packing the court wouldn't solve the problem. The Republicans would just do the same thing in a few years. (Unless you're saying the Democrats should start rigging the election system so they never lose again, which would certainly be something.)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peace___Frog 12/01/21 1:29:01 PM #52:	The Republicans have already packed the court. That's a bullshit excuse. --- ~Peaf~ <cite>Peace___Frog posted [p:960524358] in Politics C... [t:79786697]...</cite> <quote>The Republicans have already packed the court. That's a bullshit excuse. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroDelTiempo17 12/01/21 1:29:42 PM #53:	Xeybozn posted... Packing the court wouldn't solve the problem. The Republicans would just do the same thing in a few years. (Unless you're saying the Democrats should start rigging the election system so they never lose again, which would certainly be something.) "Democrats should also gerrymander the hell out of maps" is the current politically savvy take so --- I definitely did not forget to put the 2020 GOTD Guru winner, azuarc in my sig! <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:960524376] in Politics C... [t:79786697]...</cite> <quote>Xeybozn posted... </cite> <quote>Packing the court wouldn't solve the problem. The Republicans would just do the same thing in a few years. (Unless you're saying the Democrats should start rigging the election system so they never lose again, which would certainly be something.)</quote> "Democrats should also gerrymander the hell out of maps" is the current politically savvy take so </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Inviso 12/01/21 1:29:56 PM #54:	The voters ultimately don't care that the Republicans packed the courts, but they damn sure don't want the Democrats packing them in retaliation. The voters in this country suck. --- Touch fuzzy. Get fuzzier. Inviso <cite>Inviso posted [p:960524384] in Politics C... [t:79786697]...</cite> <quote>The voters ultimately don't care that the Republicans packed the courts, but they damn sure don't want the Democrats packing them in retaliation. The voters in this country suck. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoomTheGyarados 12/01/21 1:30:55 PM #55:	Democrats kind of have to gerrymander the hell out of maps considering that's apparently how this is going to work. Like, unfortunately, you can't keep playing by imaginary rules. --- Sir Chris <cite>DoomTheGyarados posted [p:960524406] in Politics C... [t:79786697]...</cite> <quote>Democrats kind of have to gerrymander the hell out of maps considering that's apparently how this is going to work. Like, unfortunately, you can't keep playing by imaginary rules. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoomTheGyarados 12/01/21 1:31:07 PM #56:	Inviso posted... The voters ultimately don't care that the Republicans packed the courts, but they damn sure don't want the Democrats packing them in retaliation. The voters in this country suck. But yes, this. --- Sir Chris <cite>DoomTheGyarados posted [p:960524414] in Politics C... [t:79786697]...</cite> <quote>Inviso posted... </cite> <quote>The voters ultimately don't care that the Republicans packed the courts, but they damn sure don't want the Democrats packing them in retaliation. The voters in this country suck.</quote> But yes, this. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 12/01/21 1:32:43 PM #57:	Inviso posted... The voters ultimately don't care that the Republicans packed the courts, but they damn sure don't want the Democrats packing them in retaliation. The voters in this country suck. DoomTheGyarados posted... But yes, this. Kinda seems like an utterly pointless thing to even say. The voters suck, if we do something to head off Republicans theyre gonna be mad, so might as well let Republicans do awful shit? Just do the good shit, for fucks sake. If the voters get mad, they get mad, does it matter when the alternative is they get mad anyway?? --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:960524468] in Politics C... [t:79786697]...</cite> <quote>Inviso posted... </cite> <quote>The voters ultimately don't care that the Republicans packed the courts, but they damn sure don't want the Democrats packing them in retaliation. The voters in this country suck.</quote> DoomTheGyarados posted... </cite> <quote>But yes, this.</quote> Kinda seems like an utterly pointless thing to even say. The voters suck, if we do something to head off Republicans theyre gonna be mad, so might as well let Republicans do awful shit? Just do the good shit, for fucks sake. If the voters get mad, they get mad, does it matter when the alternative is they get mad anyway?? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HanOfTheNekos 12/01/21 1:33:17 PM #58:	Things are gerrymandered to hell and the Dems still can fight. Gerrymander it the other way, and theoretically, the GOP could never claw back. --- "Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic <cite>HanOfTheNekos posted [p:960524492] in Politics C... [t:79786697]...</cite> <quote>Things are gerrymandered to hell and the Dems still can fight. Gerrymander it the other way, and theoretically, the GOP could never claw back. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoomTheGyarados 12/01/21 1:33:30 PM #59:	no, but we all know the democrats just won't do that. I'd wave a wand if I could. --- Sir Chris <cite>DoomTheGyarados posted [p:960524498] in Politics C... [t:79786697]...</cite> <quote>no, but we all know the democrats just won't do that. I'd wave a wand if I could. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroDelTiempo17 12/01/21 1:38:59 PM #60:	HanOfTheNekos posted... Things are gerrymandered to hell and the Dems still can fight. Gerrymander it the other way, and theoretically, the GOP could never claw back. Well, the obstacle remains the Senate and the fillibuster. But overall the point remains there's no getting out of this scenario without playing hardball. --- I definitely did not forget to put the 2020 GOTD Guru winner, azuarc in my sig! <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:960524654] in Politics C... [t:79786697]...</cite> <quote>HanOfTheNekos posted... </cite> <quote>Things are gerrymandered to hell and the Dems still can fight. Gerrymander it the other way, and theoretically, the GOP could never claw back.</quote> Well, the obstacle remains the Senate and the fillibuster. But overall the point remains there's no getting out of this scenario without playing hardball. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 12/01/21 1:41:21 PM #61:	Things are fair and the Republicans have just managed to finally undo decades of Democrat gerrymandering and court packing stretching back to FDR. Also, I'm pretty doubtful they actually overturn Roe v. Wade. Think it's more likely they find a way to limit it without actually taking the final step of overturning it. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:960524719] in Politics C... [t:79786697]...</cite> <quote>Things are fair and the Republicans have just managed to finally undo decades of Democrat gerrymandering and court packing stretching back to FDR. Also, I'm pretty doubtful they actually overturn Roe v. Wade. Think it's more likely they find a way to limit it without actually taking the final step of overturning it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 12/01/21 1:59:25 PM #62:	HeroDelTiempo17 posted... "Democrats should also gerrymander the hell out of maps" is the current politically savvy take so Theres currently a norm against court packing that is preventing either side from doing it. Such a norm does not exist for gerrymandering, so if one side restrains themselves they just get screwed. For gerrymandering I think most of us agree that it would be preferable if such a norm did exist, so I find it interesting that so many people here are so pro-packing when both sides pack is pretty clearly worse than neither side packs (especially with a huge structural advantage for the GOP in the Senate!) red sox 777 posted... Also, I'm pretty doubtful they actually overturn Roe v. Wade. Think it's more likely they find a way to limit it without actually taking the final step of overturning it. From what Ive been reading that seems to be what Roberts wants, but all of the other justices seem willing to kill it (thread): https://twitter.com/ameliatd/status/1466088902234710019?s=21 Nothings for certain until the ruling is issued, of course, but Im not optimistic. --- Congrats to azuarc, GotD2 Guru champ! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:960525236] in Politics C... [t:79786697]...</cite> <quote>HeroDelTiempo17 posted... </cite> <quote>"Democrats should also gerrymander the hell out of maps" is the current politically savvy take so</quote>Theres currently a norm against court packing that is preventing either side from doing it. Such a norm does not exist for gerrymandering, so if one side restrains themselves they just get screwed. For gerrymandering I think most of us agree that it would be preferable if such a norm did exist, so I find it interesting that so many people here are so pro-packing when both sides pack is pretty clearly worse than neither side packs (especially with a huge structural advantage for the GOP in the Senate!) red sox 777 posted... </cite> <quote>Also, I'm pretty doubtful they actually overturn Roe v. Wade. Think it's more likely they find a way to limit it without actually taking the final step of overturning it.</quote>From what Ive been reading that seems to be what Roberts wants, but all of the other justices seem willing to kill it (thread): https://twitter.com/ameliatd/status/1466088902234710019?s=21 Nothings for certain until the ruling is issued, of course, but Im not optimistic. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Xeybozn 12/01/21 2:02:43 PM #63:	If the Democrats really wanted to, it'd be easy enough to gerrymander themselves a unbreakable Senate majority by creating new blue states. Probably not good for democracy, but it'd be very effective at keeping the right out of power. --- Congrats to 2020 GotD Guru champ azuarc! <cite>Xeybozn posted [p:960525312] in Politics C... [t:79786697]...</cite> <quote>If the Democrats really wanted to, it'd be easy enough to gerrymander themselves a unbreakable Senate majority by creating new blue states. Probably not good for democracy, but it'd be very effective at keeping the right out of power.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Not_an_Owl 12/01/21 2:09:21 PM #64:	Xeybozn posted... Packing the court wouldn't solve the problem. The Republicans would just do the same thing in a few years. (Unless you're saying the Democrats should start rigging the election system so they never lose again, which would certainly be something.) Okay, but in your hypothetical if we assume Biden gets 2 terms then we'd have 8 years of conservative-dominated SCOTUS followed by however many more years of conservative-dominated SCOTUS, whereas if Dems just fucking packed the court we would have 8 years of liberal-dominated SCOTUS followed by however many years of conservative-dominated SCOTUS. Which sounds better to you? --- Besides, marijuana is far more harmful than steroids. - BlitzBomb I headbang to Bruckner. <cite>Not_an_Owl posted [p:960525485] in Politics C... [t:79786697]...</cite> <quote>Xeybozn posted... </cite> <quote>Packing the court wouldn't solve the problem. The Republicans would just do the same thing in a few years. (Unless you're saying the Democrats should start rigging the election system so they never lose again, which would certainly be something.)</quote>Okay, but in your hypothetical if we assume Biden gets 2 terms then we'd have 8 years of conservative-dominated SCOTUS followed by however many more years of conservative-dominated SCOTUS, whereas if Dems just fucking packed the court we would have 8 years of liberal-dominated SCOTUS followed by however many years of conservative-dominated SCOTUS. Which sounds better to you? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 12/01/21 2:20:46 PM #65:	https://twitter.com/goodpoliticguy/status/1466110246544461829?s=21 --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:960525836] in Politics C... [t:79786697]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/goodpoliticguy/status/1466110246544461829?s=21 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
masterplum 12/01/21 2:22:00 PM #66:	Xeybozn posted... If the Democrats really wanted to, it'd be easy enough to gerrymander themselves a unbreakable Senate majority by creating new blue states. Probably not good for democracy, but it'd be very effective at keeping the right out of power. How many dictators throughout history overthrew a corrupt system before becoming corrupt themselves? Ill take a secession before I go along with overthrowing democracy to prevent the other guys from overthrowing democracy --- https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BdWiElvIQAAQpBt.jpg <cite>masterplum posted [p:960525878] in Politics C... [t:79786697]...</cite> <quote>Xeybozn posted... </cite> <quote>If the Democrats really wanted to, it'd be easy enough to gerrymander themselves a unbreakable Senate majority by creating new blue states. Probably not good for democracy, but it'd be very effective at keeping the right out of power.</quote> How many dictators throughout history overthrew a corrupt system before becoming corrupt themselves? Ill take a secession before I go along with overthrowing democracy to prevent the other guys from overthrowing democracy </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
masterplum 12/01/21 2:23:13 PM #67:	Also, from a completely heartless perspective, overturning Roe is probably one of the only things that could prevent them from getting slaughtered in 2022 --- https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BdWiElvIQAAQpBt.jpg <cite>masterplum posted [p:960525923] in Politics C... [t:79786697]...</cite> <quote>Also, from a completely heartless perspective, overturning Roe is probably one of the only things that could prevent them from getting slaughtered in 2022 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 12/01/21 2:33:29 PM #68:	LordoftheMorons posted... Theres currently a norm against court packing that is preventing either side from doing it. Such a norm does not exist for gerrymandering, so if one side restrains themselves they just get screwed. For gerrymandering I think most of us agree that it would be preferable if such a norm did exist, so I find it interesting that so many people here are so pro-packing when both sides pack is pretty clearly worse than neither side packs (especially with a huge structural advantage for the GOP in the Senate!) From what Ive been reading that seems to be what Roberts wants, but all of the other justices seem willing to kill it (thread): https://twitter.com/ameliatd/status/1466088902234710019?s=21 Nothings for certain until the ruling is issued, of course, but Im not optimistic. I mean, if you believe in originalism (the words in the Constitution mean what they would have meant to a reasonable person reading them at the time they were written), Roe is pretty obviously not rooted in the Constitution. So if they want to attack it, it's quite easy. But if they think as much about politics as many liberals think they do, well, the timing of this case is really bad. In June they will only be 7 months away from a Senate that ought to be in GOP control for decades based on the inherent advantage of small states there. The only thing endangering the triumph of the conservative vision of the Constitution would be for the Democrats to pack the courts before then. And overturning Roe would dramatically increase the probability of that happening I think. From something very low to something that is still kinda low but feels risky. The smart thing to do politically would be to kick the can down the road for now and then move forward with major precedential decisions after January 2023. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:960526261] in Politics C... [t:79786697]...</cite> <quote>LordoftheMorons posted... </cite> <quote>Theres currently a norm against court packing that is preventing either side from doing it. Such a norm does not exist for gerrymandering, so if one side restrains themselves they just get screwed. For gerrymandering I think most of us agree that it would be preferable if such a norm did exist, so I find it interesting that so many people here are so pro-packing when both sides pack is pretty clearly worse than neither side packs (especially with a huge structural advantage for the GOP in the Senate!) From what Ive been reading that seems to be what Roberts wants, but all of the other justices seem willing to kill it (thread): https://twitter.com/ameliatd/status/1466088902234710019?s=21 Nothings for certain until the ruling is issued, of course, but Im not optimistic.</quote> I mean, if you believe in originalism (the words in the Constitution mean what they would have meant to a reasonable person reading them at the time they were written), Roe is pretty obviously not rooted in the Constitution. So if they want to attack it, it's quite easy. But if they think as much about politics as many liberals think they do, well, the timing of this case is really bad. In June they will only be 7 months away from a Senate that ought to be in GOP control for decades based on the inherent advantage of small states there. The only thing endangering the triumph of the conservative vision of the Constitution would be for the Democrats to pack the courts before then. And overturning Roe would dramatically increase the probability of that happening I think. From something very low to something that is still kinda low but feels risky. The smart thing to do politically would be to kick the can down the road for now and then move forward with major precedential decisions after January 2023. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 12/01/21 2:46:50 PM #69:	Irish Joe in action: https://twitter.com/owillis/status/1466112468879609859?s=21 --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:960526710] in Politics C... [t:79786697]...</cite> <quote>Irish Joe in action: https://twitter.com/owillis/status/1466112468879609859?s=21 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peace___Frog 12/01/21 3:14:29 PM #70:	masterplum posted... How many dictators throughout history overthrew a corrupt system before becoming corrupt themselves? Ill take a secession before I go along with overthrowing democracy to prevent the other guys from overthrowing democracy Lmfao what a fucking holier than thou centrist you are --- ~Peaf~ <cite>Peace___Frog posted [p:960527555] in Politics C... [t:79786697]...</cite> <quote>masterplum posted... </cite> <quote>How many dictators throughout history overthrew a corrupt system before becoming corrupt themselves? Ill take a secession before I go along with overthrowing democracy to prevent the other guys from overthrowing democracy</quote>Lmfao what a fucking holier than thou centrist you are </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peace___Frog 12/01/21 3:28:18 PM #71:	The party who tried to literally overthrow the government installed 1/3 of the branch that has life terms, and you think that's proper? But if the party that did not try to overthrow the government does an action that has already happened in our nation's history, that's just too far for you. --- ~Peaf~ <cite>Peace___Frog posted [p:960527993] in Politics C... [t:79786697]...</cite> <quote>The party who tried to literally overthrow the government installed 1/3 of the branch that has life terms, and you think that's proper? But if the party that did not try to overthrow the government does an action that has already happened in our nation's history, that's just too far for you. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
masterplum 12/01/21 3:35:58 PM #72:	Peace___Frog posted... The party who tried to literally overthrow the government installed 1/3 of the branch that has life terms, and you think that's proper? But if the party that did not try to overthrow the government does an action that has already happened in our nation's history, that's just too far for you. Yeah, I'm good with having Democracy. Shocking take. We might need a new constitution to get there, but there we go --- https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BdWiElvIQAAQpBt.jpg <cite>masterplum posted [p:960528254] in Politics C... [t:79786697]...</cite> <quote>Peace___Frog posted... </cite> <quote>The party who tried to literally overthrow the government installed 1/3 of the branch that has life terms, and you think that's proper? But if the party that did not try to overthrow the government does an action that has already happened in our nation's history, that's just too far for you.</quote> Yeah, I'm good with having Democracy. Shocking take. We might need a new constitution to get there, but there we go </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Paratroopa1 12/01/21 3:37:24 PM #73:	Only one of the two parties is pro-democracy <cite>Paratroopa1 posted [p:960528311] in Politics C... [t:79786697]...</cite> <quote>Only one of the two parties is pro-democracy </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
masterplum 12/01/21 3:39:16 PM #74:	Paratroopa1 posted... Only one of the two parties is pro-democracy No party that supports gerrymandering is pro democracy. It's literally voter suppression --- https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BdWiElvIQAAQpBt.jpg <cite>masterplum posted [p:960528367] in Politics C... [t:79786697]...</cite> <quote>Paratroopa1 posted... </cite> <quote>Only one of the two parties is pro-democracy</quote> No party that supports gerrymandering is pro democracy. It's literally voter suppression </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoomTheGyarados 12/01/21 3:40:02 PM #75:	masterplum posted... No party that supports gerrymandering is pro democracy. It's literally voter suppression BotH pArTiEs ArE tHe SaMe --- Sir Chris <cite>DoomTheGyarados posted [p:960528385] in Politics C... [t:79786697]...</cite> <quote>masterplum posted... </cite> <quote>No party that supports gerrymandering is pro democracy. It's literally voter suppression</quote> BotH pArTiEs ArE tHe SaMe </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 12/01/21 3:44:58 PM #76:	There was a much easier solution than packing the courts. Electing Hillary Clinton. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:960528501] in Politics C... [t:79786697]...</cite> <quote>There was a much easier solution than packing the courts. Electing Hillary Clinton. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Reg 12/01/21 3:45:46 PM #77:	This has been a good reminder of how wonderfully full of shit Plum is for anybody who forgot or isn't paying attention <cite>Reg posted [p:960528520] in Politics C... [t:79786697]...</cite> <quote>This has been a good reminder of how wonderfully full of shit Plum is for anybody who forgot or isn't paying attention </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 12/01/21 4:19:57 PM #78:	TheRock1525 posted... There was a much easier solution than packing the courts. Electing Hillary Clinton. this most important election in generations and the left blew it (i mean with plenty of help from comey, foreign disnformation campaigns, free media, etc. but at the end of the day too many just didn't show up) --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:960529579] in Politics C... [t:79786697]...</cite> <quote>TheRock1525 posted... </cite> <quote>There was a much easier solution than packing the courts. Electing Hillary Clinton.</quote>this most important election in generations and the left blew it (i mean with plenty of help from comey, foreign disnformation campaigns, free media, etc. but at the end of the day too many just didn't show up) </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TotallyNotMI 12/01/21 4:21:47 PM #79:	TheRock1525 posted... There was a much easier solution than packing the courts. Electing Hillary Clinton. I didn't wanna be the one to bring it up but yeah. McConnell denied Obama a Supreme Court nomination and voters rewarded him with 1/3 of the Supreme Court seats. This could have been easily avoided. --- I'm not sure who this MI guy is but he sounds sexy. <cite>TotallyNotMI posted [p:960529636] in Politics C... [t:79786697]...</cite> <quote>TheRock1525 posted... </cite> <quote>There was a much easier solution than packing the courts. Electing Hillary Clinton.</quote>I didn't wanna be the one to bring it up but yeah. McConnell denied Obama a Supreme Court nomination and voters rewarded him with 1/3 of the Supreme Court seats. This could have been easily avoided. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DeepsPraw 12/01/21 4:26:19 PM #80:	TheRock1525 posted... There was a much easier solution than packing the courts. not nominating Hillary Clinton. fixed --- pepsi for tv-game <cite>DeepsPraw posted [p:960529777] in Politics C... [t:79786697]...</cite> <quote>TheRock1525 posted... </cite> <quote>There was a much easier solution than packing the courts. not nominating Hillary Clinton.</quote>fixed </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroDelTiempo17 12/01/21 4:35:02 PM #81:	masterplum posted... Yeah, I'm good with having Democracy. Shocking take. We might need a new constitution to get there, but there we go Okay, so we both agree that if we overthrow the government for the express purposes of writing a new constitution founded on democracy, everything is good? Because the only way one gets written is the current one falling apart at the seams. --- I definitely did not forget to put the 2020 GOTD Guru winner, azuarc in my sig! <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:960530051] in Politics C... [t:79786697]...</cite> <quote>masterplum posted... </cite> <quote>Yeah, I'm good with having Democracy. Shocking take. We might need a new constitution to get there, but there we go</quote> Okay, so we both agree that if we overthrow the government for the express purposes of writing a new constitution founded on democracy, everything is good? Because the only way one gets written is the current one falling apart at the seams. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Not_an_Owl 12/01/21 4:36:51 PM #82:	TheRock1525 posted... There was a much easier solution than packing the courts. Electing Hillary Clinton. Well see here's the thing, I don't have a time machine. I can't go back in time and change the election of 2016. Nobody can. But you know what could be done today to mitigate the effects of Republicans fucking over the Supreme Court? Packing it with half a dozen 30-year old far-left law clerks with no unhealthy habits and living great grandparents. And if the Republicans do eventually win back enough elections to pack the court with their own ideologues, and the makeup of SCOTUS continues to swing wildly back and forth every electoral cycle to the extent that voters can no longer ignore the incredibly fucking stupid way it's designed and run, and reforms are made to the Supreme Court to make it difficult or impossible for any one party to fuck with and dominate for generations on end, that's a feature and not a bug. --- Besides, marijuana is far more harmful than steroids. - BlitzBomb I headbang to Bruckner. <cite>Not_an_Owl posted [p:960530103] in Politics C... [t:79786697]...</cite> <quote>TheRock1525 posted... </cite> <quote>There was a much easier solution than packing the courts. Electing Hillary Clinton.</quote>Well see here's the thing, I don't have a time machine. I can't go back in time and change the election of 2016. Nobody can. But you know what could be done today to mitigate the effects of Republicans fucking over the Supreme Court? Packing it with half a dozen 30-year old far-left law clerks with no unhealthy habits and living great grandparents. And if the Republicans do eventually win back enough elections to pack the court with their own ideologues, and the makeup of SCOTUS continues to swing wildly back and forth every electoral cycle to the extent that voters can no longer ignore the incredibly fucking stupid way it's designed and run, and reforms are made to the Supreme Court to make it difficult or impossible for any one party to fuck with and dominate for generations on end, that's a feature and not a bug. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MarkS222222222222222 12/01/21 4:51:00 PM #83:	Not_an_Owl posted... to the extent that voters can no longer ignore the incredibly f*ing stupid way it's designed and run, and reforms are made There are plenty of things that run in an incredibly stupid way and do not get reformed --- This is quite a username I have here. <cite>MarkS222222222222222 posted [p:960530504] in Politics C... [t:79786697]...</cite> <quote>Not_an_Owl posted... </cite> <quote>to the extent that voters can no longer ignore the incredibly f*ing stupid way it's designed and run, and reforms are made</quote>There are plenty of things that run in an incredibly stupid way and do not get reformed </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 12/01/21 5:31:19 PM #84:	Not_an_Owl posted... Well see here's the thing, I don't have a time machine. I can't go back in time and change the election of 2016. I would argue building a time machine would be much, much easier than convincing a pro-life Democrat in a ruby red state to pack the court in order to save abortion rights. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:960531645] in Politics C... [t:79786697]...</cite> <quote>Not_an_Owl posted... </cite> <quote>Well see here's the thing, I don't have a time machine. I can't go back in time and change the election of 2016.</quote> I would argue building a time machine would be much, much easier than convincing a pro-life Democrat in a ruby red state to pack the court in order to save abortion rights. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 12/01/21 5:50:24 PM #85:	I remember in this topic being told we were "alarmist" for saying Roe was going to be overturned. --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:960532231] in Politics C... [t:79786697]...</cite> <quote>I remember in this topic being told we were "alarmist" for saying Roe was going to be overturned. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dancedreamer 12/01/21 6:01:05 PM #86:	If the court overturns Roe V Wade we should just ignore the supreme court from here on out. just pass whatever laws we want. Just absolutely ignore them. --- This isn't funny Dean, the voice says I'm almost out of minutes! ~Alexandra <cite>Dancedreamer posted [p:960532523] in Politics C... [t:79786697]...</cite> <quote>If the court overturns Roe V Wade we should just ignore the supreme court from here on out. just pass whatever laws we want. Just absolutely ignore them. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peace___Frog 12/01/21 8:31:30 PM #87:	Protip - that was the strategy of Republicans during Trump because it takes time to go to the court. In that time a lot of the effects of the policy can be implemented. --- ~Peaf~ <cite>Peace___Frog posted [p:960536820] in Politics C... [t:79786697]...</cite> <quote>Protip - that was the strategy of Republicans during Trump because it takes time to go to the court. In that time a lot of the effects of the policy can be implemented. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leafeon13N 12/01/21 9:03:39 PM #88:	xp1337 posted... I remember in this topic being told we were "alarmist" for saying Roe was going to be overturned. Vote third party because Dems will fuck you just as hard lol. <cite>Leafeon13N posted [p:960537810] in Politics C... [t:79786697]...</cite> <quote>xp1337 posted... </cite> <quote>I remember in this topic being told we were "alarmist" for saying Roe was going to be overturned.</quote>Vote third party because Dems will fuck you just as hard lol. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 12/01/21 9:09:46 PM #89:	red sox 777 posted... I mean, if you believe in originalism (the words in the Constitution mean what they would have meant to a reasonable person reading them at the time they were written), Roe is pretty obviously not rooted in the Constitution. So if they want to attack it, it's quite easy. But if they think as much about politics as many liberals think they do, well, the timing of this case is really bad. In June they will only be 7 months away from a Senate that ought to be in GOP control for decades based on the inherent advantage of small states there. The only thing endangering the triumph of the conservative vision of the Constitution would be for the Democrats to pack the courts before then. And overturning Roe would dramatically increase the probability of that happening I think. From something very low to something that is still kinda low but feels risky. The smart thing to do politically would be to kick the can down the road for now and then move forward with major precedential decisions after January 2023. Even if theyre political actors I dont think their top priority is Republicans being elected. Someone like Clarence Thomas cares far more about killing abortion rights for likely decades than who controls Congress for the next two years. --- Congrats to azuarc, GotD2 Guru champ! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:960537975] in Politics C... [t:79786697]...</cite> <quote>red sox 777 posted... </cite> <quote>I mean, if you believe in originalism (the words in the Constitution mean what they would have meant to a reasonable person reading them at the time they were written), Roe is pretty obviously not rooted in the Constitution. So if they want to attack it, it's quite easy. But if they think as much about politics as many liberals think they do, well, the timing of this case is really bad. In June they will only be 7 months away from a Senate that ought to be in GOP control for decades based on the inherent advantage of small states there. The only thing endangering the triumph of the conservative vision of the Constitution would be for the Democrats to pack the courts before then. And overturning Roe would dramatically increase the probability of that happening I think. From something very low to something that is still kinda low but feels risky. The smart thing to do politically would be to kick the can down the road for now and then move forward with major precedential decisions after January 2023.</quote>Even if theyre political actors I dont think their top priority is Republicans being elected. Someone like Clarence Thomas cares far more about killing abortion rights for likely decades than who controls Congress for the next two years. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
masterplum 12/01/21 9:12:12 PM #90:	Dancedreamer posted... If the court overturns Roe V Wade we should just ignore the supreme court from here on out. just pass whatever laws we want. Just absolutely ignore them. Thats already what Texas has been doing. ignoring them aint going to help states with no clinics though --- https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BdWiElvIQAAQpBt.jpg <cite>masterplum posted [p:960538034] in Politics C... [t:79786697]...</cite> <quote>Dancedreamer posted... </cite> <quote>If the court overturns Roe V Wade we should just ignore the supreme court from here on out. just pass whatever laws we want. Just absolutely ignore them.</quote> Thats already what Texas has been doing. ignoring them aint going to help states with no clinics though </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroicCrono 12/01/21 9:14:14 PM #91:	LordoftheMorons posted... Even if theyre political actors I dont think their top priority is Republicans being elected. Someone like Clarence Thomas cares far more about killing abortion rights for likely decades than who controls Congress for the next two years. Yes. If they decide this in early 2023 it has a better chance of sticking. --- This is Red Sox 777 on a mobile phone. <cite>HeroicCrono posted [p:960538076] in Politics C... [t:79786697]...</cite> <quote>LordoftheMorons posted... </cite> <quote>Even if theyre political actors I dont think their top priority is Republicans being elected. Someone like Clarence Thomas cares far more about killing abortion rights for likely decades than who controls Congress for the next two years.</quote> Yes. If they decide this in early 2023 it has a better chance of sticking. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kenri 12/01/21 9:16:48 PM #92:	Dancedreamer posted... If the court overturns Roe V Wade we should just ignore the supreme court from here on out. just pass whatever laws we want. Just absolutely ignore them. This should have been our strategy since like late 2015 tbh --- Congrats to BKSheikah, who knows more about years than anyone else. <cite>Kenri posted [p:960538140] in Politics C... [t:79786697]...</cite> <quote>Dancedreamer posted... </cite> <quote>If the court overturns Roe V Wade we should just ignore the supreme court from here on out. just pass whatever laws we want. Just absolutely ignore them.</quote>This should have been our strategy since like late 2015 tbh </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PrivateBiscuit1 12/02/21 1:31:37 PM #93:	Grotesque. https://twitter.com/TrackerTrial/status/1466445204844683264?t=Y29pTVUSGoDGkS_pfpxkRA&s=19 --- I stream sometimes. Check it out! www.twitch.tv/heroicbiz/ <cite>PrivateBiscuit1 posted [p:960555762] in Politics C... [t:79786697]...</cite> <quote>Grotesque. https://twitter.com/TrackerTrial/status/1466445204844683264?t=Y29pTVUSGoDGkS_pfpxkRA&s=19 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 12/02/21 2:29:07 PM #94:	Just saw a horrendous video of a cop in AZ shooting a man in a wheelchair who was moving away from him in the back, unloading basically the entire magazine. Dont recommend looking it up. --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:960557405] in Politics C... [t:79786697]...</cite> <quote>Just saw a horrendous video of a cop in AZ shooting a man in a wheelchair who was moving away from him in the back, unloading basically the entire magazine. Dont recommend looking it up. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Seanchan 12/02/21 3:00:58 PM #95:	ChaosTonyV4 posted... Just saw a horrendous video of a cop in AZ shooting a man in a wheelchair who was moving away from him in the back, unloading basically the entire magazine. Dont recommend looking it up. "I feared for my life" --- "That was unnecessarily dramatic". - NY Mets motto (courtesy of InnerTubeHero) Congratulations to azuarc, the guru of gurus and winner of GotD 2020! <cite>Seanchan posted [p:960558390] in Politics C... [t:79786697]...</cite> <quote>ChaosTonyV4 posted... </cite> <quote>Just saw a horrendous video of a cop in AZ shooting a man in a wheelchair who was moving away from him in the back, unloading basically the entire magazine. Dont recommend looking it up.</quote> "I feared for my life" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Not_an_Owl 12/02/21 3:04:19 PM #96:	Seanchan posted... "I feared for my life" Can't wait for an internal investigation to recommend he get two weeks of paid administrative leave followed by no lasting repercussions. --- Besides, marijuana is far more harmful than steroids. - BlitzBomb I headbang to Bruckner. <cite>Not_an_Owl posted [p:960558486] in Politics C... [t:79786697]...</cite> <quote>Seanchan posted... </cite> <quote>"I feared for my life"</quote>Can't wait for an internal investigation to recommend he get two weeks of paid administrative leave followed by no lasting repercussions. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Seanchan 12/02/21 3:38:09 PM #97:	Not_an_Owl posted... Can't wait for an internal investigation to recommend he get two weeks of paid administrative leave followed by no lasting repercussions. "After a thorough investigation, Officer <insert name here> correctly followed all procedures and policies for <insert activity here>." --- "That was unnecessarily dramatic". - NY Mets motto (courtesy of InnerTubeHero) Congratulations to azuarc, the guru of gurus and winner of GotD 2020! <cite>Seanchan posted [p:960559467] in Politics C... [t:79786697]...</cite> <quote>Not_an_Owl posted... </cite> <quote>Can't wait for an internal investigation to recommend he get two weeks of paid administrative leave followed by no lasting repercussions.</quote> "After a thorough investigation, Officer <insert name here> correctly followed all procedures and policies for <insert activity here>." </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Seanchan 12/02/21 6:04:02 PM #98:	ChaosTonyV4 posted... Just saw a horrendous video of a cop in AZ shooting a man in a wheelchair who was moving away from him in the back, unloading basically the entire magazine. Dont recommend looking it up. Fuck me, I just saw this on Reddit. It's so much worse than I expected. The guy is near the front entrance of a Lowes/Home Depot and the cop is firing at practically point blank range. There was also a store employee in the general direction the shots were fired, so thank god is body absorbed all 8-9 shots... THEN, AFTER THE GUY SLUMPS OVER DEAD ONTO THE GROUND IN A POOL OF HIS OWN BLOOD, THE COP HANDCUFFS HIM! The FUCK is wrong with people?!? --- "That was unnecessarily dramatic". - NY Mets motto (courtesy of InnerTubeHero) Congratulations to azuarc, the guru of gurus and winner of GotD 2020! <cite>Seanchan posted [p:960563734] in Politics C... [t:79786697]...</cite> <quote>ChaosTonyV4 posted... </cite> <quote>Just saw a horrendous video of a cop in AZ shooting a man in a wheelchair who was moving away from him in the back, unloading basically the entire magazine. Dont recommend looking it up.</quote> Fuck me, I just saw this on Reddit. It's so much worse than I expected. The guy is near the front entrance of a Lowes/Home Depot and the cop is firing at practically point blank range. There was also a store employee in the general direction the shots were fired, so thank god is body absorbed all 8-9 shots... THEN, AFTER THE GUY SLUMPS OVER DEAD ONTO THE GROUND IN A POOL OF HIS OWN BLOOD, THE COP HANDCUFFS HIM! The FUCK is wrong with people?!? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 12/02/21 6:04:41 PM #99:	https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1466442419755487237 anime was a mistake --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:960563756] in Politics C... [t:79786697]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1466442419755487237 anime was a mistake </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PrivateBiscuit1 12/02/21 8:07:31 PM #100:	Seanchan posted... Fuck me, I just saw this on Reddit. It's so much worse than I expected. The guy is near the front entrance of a Lowes/Home Depot and the cop is firing at practically point blank range. There was also a store employee in the general direction the shots were fired, so thank god is body absorbed all 8-9 shots... THEN, AFTER THE GUY SLUMPS OVER DEAD ONTO THE GROUND IN A POOL OF HIS OWN BLOOD, THE COP HANDCUFFS HIM! The FUCK is wrong with people?!? I mean, this is all inexcusable and gross, but does anyone know what happened leading up to this? Like what were they trying to arrest this guy for? --- I stream sometimes. Check it out! www.twitch.tv/heroicbiz/ <cite>PrivateBiscuit1 posted [p:960567286] in Politics C... [t:79786697]...</cite> <quote>Seanchan posted... </cite> <quote>Fuck me, I just saw this on Reddit. It's so much worse than I expected. The guy is near the front entrance of a Lowes/Home Depot and the cop is firing at practically point blank range. There was also a store employee in the general direction the shots were fired, so thank god is body absorbed all 8-9 shots... THEN, AFTER THE GUY SLUMPS OVER DEAD ONTO THE GROUND IN A POOL OF HIS OWN BLOOD, THE COP HANDCUFFS HIM! The FUCK is wrong with people?!?</quote>I mean, this is all inexcusable and gross, but does anyone know what happened leading up to this? Like what were they trying to arrest this guy for? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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