Current Events > Breaking: Supreme Court leaves Texas abortion law in place

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abortion is a DAMN SIN

Yeah people need to calm TF down. Many people ITT are just having hyperbolic reactions to this. This is not the Handmaid's Tale.

Sin is an imaginary concept that you are free not to commit of you like.

No, but it is a step on the road towards it and that is exact end goal that evangelical conservatives have in mind.

I remember you bringing the Handmaiden's Tale up before, something to the effect that because people were proclaiming it you didn't need to consider the pro choice concerns seriously. Now that Texas has passed this law (still active) do you feel the same?

You've completely misunderstood my argument.

People can have hyperbolic reactions to something that is still a real problem.

As has been pointed out by others, this specific ruling isn't necessarily a bad thing for pro choice laws. People are misunderstanding what this ruling even is. People need to calm their outrage a bit and make a better attempt at understanding what is actually going on at this stage of the process.

This law is not a ban on abortion. It severely restricts abortion access. There are many ways a pregnancy can be prevented beyond abortion. Abortion should always be the last resort. Birth control methods prevent the vast majority of pregnancies. It is always advised to use various methods of birth control before ever resorting to an abortion. Abortions are not procedures without risk to the one receiving it either.

I guess I'd describe it like a seatbelt analogy. You should always use a seatbelt. I'd probably not drive a car without a seat belt, but at least I'd reduce my driving of that vehicle to reduce the risk I expose myself to.

The thing is though is that my seatbelt actually does very little. It's only really useful if you get into a crash. Decision making skills on the road are significantly more important to keeping me safe. I will always do everything I can to make sure my seat belt is just a redundant tool to make me more safe, but ultimately if I didn't have a seat belt I'm still more than capable of keeping myself safe by engaging in safe driving practices. Although of course I will still feel more comfortable with a seat belt on than otherwise. It's why I always wear one beyond it being required by law in my state.

I remember you going into detail about other "preventative measures" before, and I think most people agreed abortion should be a last resort. But
A) Texas and many states have cut funding to sex education/places that give free condoms/etc. This was brought up in past topics, I might have missed your response. If steps a b c etc are being weakened, isn't keeping step g (or whatever) even more important?
B) Are you saying that people are overly outraged over this specific law? Given that it also encourages private lawsuits to further weaken access?

Dont tell us to ****ing calm down! Dont tell us to read past the headlines!

those no good gosh darn Democrats are in control and they let this happen!

*flips table*

Democrats! REEEEEEEEEEE!!!

trash court
trash country

I remember you bringing the Handmaiden's Tale up before, something to the effect that because people were proclaiming it you didn't need to consider the pro choice concerns seriously. Now that Texas has passed this law (still active) do you feel the same?

I see way too many Handmaid's memes about this and "women literally have no rights" comments here and elsewhere. There is a lot more nuance to this and so many other political issues and events that people gloss over so severely.

I would argue that cutting funding to sex education and birth control access should be a significantly bigger focus rather than abortion itself. You can counter this by both fighting to give them proper funding and establishing charitable organizations that can help provide access.

I think abortion just upsets people a lot more than birth control access and ultimately a lot of this is about manufacturing outrage for clicks. There is much more nuance to this type of thing than most are willing to acknowledge.

And yeah the private lawsuit part is terrible and I feel people should be concerned this may apply to other hot button issues. Look at what Newsom is looking to do with gun control laws in California. Though I wouldnt say that is nearly as problematic as this itself, but this is setting a precedent that could be used for things well beyond abortion laws.

@TommyG663513
A) So you didn't answer my question (for the second time) - you believe people are overreacting to this law?
B) You agree sex education etc should be funded....but they aren't. So (for the second time) if one safety measure is NOT being improved, why aren't you concerned that another is being limited?
C) What nuance about THIS specific abortion law are people missing? It is currently active...
D) In previous topics where you said people were overreacting, you said believed women should access to abortion. Do you still believe that?

There is a lot more nuance to this and so many other political issues and events that people gloss over so severely.

One of the worst lies our insanely partisan and politically driven society has told people.

You said a bunch of nothing with the word nuance mixed in. Classic gish gallop.

ButteryMales posted...

You said a bunch of nothing with the word nuance mixed in. Classic gish gallop.

Accusing someone of saying nothing while saying nothing.

Nice bro

You know people can see the nuance of my post? I'd argue that the important part is the gish rather than the gallop I was responding to. At the end of the day the real impact is gish and people blow the gallop out of proportion. Basically this is just really pointless.

Says the most black and white thinker I've ever seen on these boards. Do you have a real counter to this or are you just gonna call it a lie? I've never once seen you acknowledge nuance in anything ever so that is on you.

Uh, I'm literally saying a lot of things are not as nuanced as people think and that's why we have bullshit like people thinking there can be a compromise on abortion, or that facts and science are a matter of perspective. Everyone wants to think they are right and that their opinions matter.

In many situations in life, there are only a few possible outcomes and oftentimes they are mutually exclusive.