Current Events > Remember all those antiwork threads I made? Why did you not take them seriously?

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Now you should realize how this greedy culture actually costs lives as Amazon required workers to work during a tornado because Bezos simply is not rich enough.

read the topic title as "artwork" and was really confused by the first post

Found the coastal.
Tornadoes aren't something you have a week or so warning about, like hurricanes.

Questionmarktarius posted...

Found the coastal.
Tornadoes aren't something you have a week or so warning about, like hurricanes.

https://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-worker-not-allowed-leave-facility-as-tornado-approached-girlfriend-2021-12

An Amazon worker who was killed in the Edwardsville, Illinois, warehouse collapse wasn't allowed to leave as a tornado was approaching, his girlfriend told the New York Post. Larry Virden, who started working for Amazon five months ago, was among the six employees who died in the destruction.

"He always tells me when he is filling up the Amazon truck when he is getting ready to go back I was like 'OK, I love you.' He's like, 'well Amazon won't let me leave until after the storm blows over,'" she told the Post.
Jones told the Post that Virden texted her 16 minutes before the tornado was said to have touched down. She said this was enough time to get back to their house in nearby Collinsville, which she said was a 13-minute drive away.
"We heard the tornado didn't touch down until 8:39 so he had 20 minutes to get home," she told the Post.

@Questionmarktarius

Well... where are you going to go? Outside, where the tornado is?

A tornado warning doesn't mean "okay everyone dogpile onto the highway" - it means "get your ass into a shelter, NOW!"

Questionmarktarius posted...

Well... where are you going to go? Outside, where the tornado is?

A tornado warning doesn't mean "okay everyone dogpile onto the highway" - it means "get your ass into a shelter, NOW!"

Jones told the Post that Virden texted her 16 minutes before the tornado was said to have touched down. She said this was enough time to get back to their house in nearby Collinsville, which she said was a 13-minute drive away.

Can you not read or does corporate brain really make this so incomprehensible?

Why was there not a tornado bunker in a state that has regular tornados?

WingsOfGood posted...

Can you not read or does corporate brain really make this so incomprehensible?

It's really fun to use 20/20 hindsight in an argument.

A tornado warning is not an advance warning at all.
"I had sixteen minutes" could just as easily be "I had sixteen seconds".

Questionmarktarius posted...

it means "get your ass into a shelter, NOW!"

So it does not mean stay and work in shitty building because we can't miss our deadline??
@Questionmarktarius

I live in Oklahoma, but I imagine in that area they just never expected that, so honestly I could see this happening with any company in that situation.

On the flip side, I don't care about the corporation or want to defend them, so basically disregard this post, fuck em. The corporations have no interest in playing fair with us, so playing fair with them only helps them

wait...why would the employee be allowed to leave during a tornado watch or warning? that's the WORST thing you can do!

the question is did this building have some place lower to the ground for people to hide.

at my place we go down to the first floor and into the center hallway, and preferably sit, away from all windows.

yeah, idk...how would everyone feel if they allowed him to leave and the tornado strikes his vehicle? how can you know beforehand that you'd get home before it strikes? who'd even know the tornado would hit the warehouse?

CommonGrackle posted...

the question is did this building have some place lower to the ground for people to hide.

You go to the place made of cinderblocks and preferably underground, and even then that's just a "less likely to die here" space.

Warehouses generally don't have basements, though. The best option was probably a back office or restroom or something.

CommonGrackle posted...

at my place we go down to the first floor and into the center hallway, and preferably sit, away from all windows.

Do you really think Amazon was like "work is over guys, we must prioritize your safety" ?

but see he had 16 minutes to get home. the magic of the internet knows exactly when and where tornadoes will strike.

WingsOfGood posted...

Do you really think Amazon was like "work is over guys, we must prioritize your safety" ?

I don't know. do they?

krazychao5 posted...

yeah, idk...how would everyone feel if they allowed him to leave and the tornado strikes his vehicle? how can you know beforehand that you'd get home before it strikes? who'd even know the tornado would hit the warehouse?

You wouldn't hear about it because then amazon has allowed them to either go find an adequate shelter or leave the area. So those options are no longer amazon's fault.

Telling them to stay in an unsafe building and work and people die is indeed their fault.

The issue is making sure there is somewhere in the building that can withstand severe weather events.

"But he said he could make it home in 15 minutes" is not a defense any company is going to want to use when asked why they sent people home during an imminent tornado threat.

WingsOfGood posted...

Telling them to stay in an unsafe building and work and people die is indeed their fault.

Where's the part that says this? What makes you think they were working when the tornado hit?

When I worked at Target, a tornado warning meant everybody moved to the back wall, employees and customers alike, to be as far away from windows and doors as possible until the warning ended.

krazychao5 posted...

yeah, idk...how would everyone feel if they allowed him to leave and the tornado strikes his vehicle? how can you know beforehand that you'd get home before it strikes? who'd even know the tornado would hit the warehouse?

Most companies don't let employees leave for this very reason. If they send employees home during a tornado warning and they get killed in transport, the company could be held liable for their lives because they allowed them to leave during work hours.

My employer did the same thing when we ran out of power and were under a tornado watch. We were all sitting in the dark with no access to our computers and we get a mass text saying no one is allowed to leave until the storm passes over us. This was explained to me later by an attorney why it was done that way.

Still horrible that the decision is a legal one vs. a moral one (company doesn't want to get sued for negligence) but this isn't unique to Amazon.

Pepys Monster posted...

Why was there not a tornado bunker in a state that has regular tornados?

Also this mindset only exists because of greed.

Like Texas not winterizing their powergrid.

If we tackle the stupid notions of our culture that say saftery measures are too expensive and can't be made cause they cut into profits, then yes indeed a tornado bunker would exist in such a state.

Zanzenburger posted...

Still horrible that the decision is a legal one vs. a moral one (company doesn't want to get sued for negligence) but this isn't unique to Amazon.

If it is so horrible then you would not just accept it and tell society to also not accept it.
But here we are??

Fighting profit over people is the spirit of all these threads. Please help me and the others who are trying.

That candle factory did have a "shelter" area, but it got obliterated anyway.
Tornadoes don't fuck around.

Gobstoppers12 posted...

When I worked at Target, a tornado warning meant everybody moved to the back wall, employees and customers alike, to be as far away from windows and doors as possible until the warning ended.

was gonna say, i was at a kohl's last year when we got a tornado warning and had to shelter in place with the employees. it was their policy to keep safe employees and customers. employees could not leave, but they allowed us to leave if we wanted to. i wanted to buy my shit on sale so i stayed

krazychao5 posted...

but they allowed us to leave if we wanted to.

this is big difference

Pepys Monster posted...

Why was there not a tornado bunker in a state that has regular tornados?

That would have cost Bezos some money

Not letting him leave during an active tornado warning is an entirely reasonable decision that I don't hold against Amazon. My office would have done the same

AngelicRadiance posted...

That would have cost Bezos some money

Turns out you can buy tornado shelters right on amazon: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B089KN8PBF/

Questionmarktarius posted...

Turns out you can buy tornado shelters right on amazon: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B089KN8PBF/

SMH, Jeff Bezos wanted to save a couple bucks and wouldn't even buy these.

Pepys Monster posted...

SMH, Jeff Bezos wanted to save a couple bucks and wouldn't even buy these.

smh

WingsOfGood posted...

this is big difference

the employees couldn't leave, the shoppers could. there is no difference

krazychao5 posted...

the employees couldn't leave, the shoppers could. there is no difference

difference in the shoppers vs. the employees

Remember all those antiwork threads I made? Why did you not take them seriously?

I don't take them seriously because you're so over the top about it. You have the anger, but not any direction or insight. Plus, you regularly lash out at people who are just trying to get by like somehow they're you're enemy.

You asked, so I answered.

NecroFoul99 posted...

I don't take them seriously because you're so over the top about it. You have the anger, but not any direction or insight. Plus, you regularly lash out at people who are just trying to get by like somehow they're you're enemy.

You asked, so I answered.

none of this is true

TC hates work like shab hates land lords lmao

WingsOfGood posted...

none of this is true

Okay. :shrugs:

Were they actually working through the tornado?

So the real solution is, if there is a Tornado Watch issued then workers should be allowed to go home.

During a Tornado Warning, I can fully understand why they didn't let them go because a Warning means a Tornado is expected or has formed in the affected area. However a Tornado Watch just means the conditions are possible for a Tornado to form.

Since a Tornado does not announce its exact grid or path, leaving during a Warning could actually result in you driving directly into (the path of) a Tornado and getting hurt or killed when staying at work would have resulted in you being safe.

Veggeta_MAX posted...

TC hates work like shab hates land lords lmao

I hate work is called a strawman

good job mischaracterizing

if it makes you feel any better, I still don't take them seriously

I don't blame Amazon for this, and it looks like many others don't either TC. So there's your answer.

FL81 posted...

if it makes you feel any better, I still don't take them seriously

After this topic I certainly don't. TC's using a once-in-a-lifetime monster tornado to further his sociopolitical agenda with the same level of intelligence and worldliness that your average Christian fundie displays when blaming natural disasters on gay people.

Prismsblade posted...

I don't blame Amazon for this, and it looks like many others don't either TC. So there's your answer.

Well, nobody knows how stout the shelter area was, or if it even existed.

WingsOfGood posted...

I hate work is called a strawman

good job mischaracterizing

Yeah yeah Shab also thinks he's being completely rational and reasonable with his crusade against land lords.