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SiO4
12/14/21 1:35:22 PM
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...were even born. Before the Piano was invented, and when Bach was relatively young.
Bach passed about 20 years before the American Colonies even Declared Independence to put it all in perspective.

J.S. Bach truly is the GOAT of Western Music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0v4CckNE68

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Shotgunnova
12/14/21 1:56:30 PM
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Ehhh, it's okay. Needs more g-funk.

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SiO4
12/14/21 1:59:36 PM
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Shotgunnova posted...
Ehhh, it's okay. Needs more g-funk.

3/10


LOL, Marked

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Xavier_On_High
12/14/21 2:12:41 PM
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Bach, as a teenager, said "Okay guys we're doing music like this now" and 300 years later they're still doing it his way.

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SiO4
12/14/21 2:15:29 PM
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Xavier_On_High posted...
Bach, as a teenager, said "Okay guys we're doing music like this now" and 300 years later they're still doing it his way.


Basically.
Funny thing is, people thought he was old-fashioned at the time.
I've been studying him now for at least 20 year, and I get more amazed as time goes on.
...Like why where was this coming from. "He shouldn't be doing this that long ago" type of feelings.

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eston
12/14/21 2:16:51 PM
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That's cool and all but can he spit bars?

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Tyranthraxus
12/14/21 2:29:40 PM
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The only stuff older I can think of is all gospel music. I'm sure there's gotta be something from BCE that survived though.

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SiO4
12/14/21 2:29:48 PM
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eston posted...
That's cool and all but can he spit bars?


Actually, he did a lot of that instrumentally, which again wasn't normal for the time.

But also yes, I kinda did...though I don't believe he wrote most of his lyrics.

The first half of Singet dem Herrn ein neues Lied is pure fire once it gets going.
It translates into, Sing unto the Lord a new song, and starts on an ancient chord, and later finds itself in an almost psychedelic cacophony.

So, yes I guess he could.

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SiO4
12/14/21 2:32:59 PM
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Mr Hangman posted...
Vivaldi was his contemporary, just as good IMO, plenty of enduring pieces. Before either of them though, it's really hard to find any music good enough that someone today might recognize it. Greensleeves is at least 100 years older and pretty well known. Don't know of anything older than that.


Ya, he studied Vivaldi.
That and Buxtehude of course.

For even older music I like William Purcell and Thomas Tallis.

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SparkClark
12/14/21 2:33:06 PM
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what instrument did he write it for since there was no piano?

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SiO4
12/14/21 2:38:58 PM
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eston posted...
That's cool and all but can he spit bars?


Oh a little addendum to this...
There are stories that once Handle happened to be a town or so over from where Bach was at at the time.

They were trying to set up an Organ freestyle match, but Handle bitched out. Twice.

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ehhwhatever
12/14/21 2:40:19 PM
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He made the grade and no sad tales here.

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eston
12/14/21 2:42:42 PM
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SiO4 posted...
Oh a little addendum to this...
There are stories that once Handle happened to be a town or so over from where Bach was at at the time.

They were trying to set up an Organ freestyle match, but Handle bitched out. Twice.
I guess he couldn't

*puts on sunglasses*

*puts on second pair of sunglasses over first*

Handle it

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SiO4
12/14/21 2:42:56 PM
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SparkClark posted...
what instrument did he write it for since there was no piano?


Clavichord.

It is part of The Well-Tempered Clavier ((Das wohltemperierte Klavier))
It is a series of works that was initially written to prove that you could tune a Clavichord one way, it could play all keys, without retuning.

It was his tuning method, so he wrote a Prelude and Fugue in each key to show it can be done.
No it is one of land mark pieces of western music....There is a Book Two, written about 20 years later.

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SiO4
12/14/21 2:44:04 PM
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ehhwhatever posted...
He made the grade and no sad tales here.


He made the grade, but his life wasn't as happy as could be, he suffered great loss.

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SiO4
12/14/21 2:45:19 PM
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eston posted...

I guess he couldn't

*puts on sunglasses*

*puts on second pair of sunglasses over first*

Handle it


Hehe, basically. Though Handle was good, just not on Bachs level...but that's true for everyone.

Why did Bach have 20 children?....

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Tyranthraxus
12/14/21 2:46:08 PM
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eston posted...
I guess he couldn't

*puts on sunglasses*

*puts on second pair of sunglasses over first*

Handle it

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eston
12/14/21 2:46:48 PM
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SiO4 posted...
Hehe, basically. Though Handle was good, just not on Bachs level...but that's true for everyone.

Why did Bach have 20 children?....
Because he liked to hit it from the Bach

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SiO4
12/14/21 2:51:01 PM
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eston posted...

Because he liked to hit it from the Bach


His Organ had no stop

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Ivynn
12/14/21 2:51:35 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
The only stuff older I can think of is all gospel music. I'm sure there's gotta be something from BCE that survived though.

The oldest surviving complete work of music is Epitaph if Seikilos from Ancient Greece.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mGfOHoun0OQ

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Tyranthraxus
12/14/21 2:53:32 PM
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Thanks for the tune but maybe you should edit out the hyperlink so it doesn't embed lmao

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SiO4
12/14/21 2:55:51 PM
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Ivynn posted...


The oldest surviving complete work of music is Epitaph if Seikilos from Ancient Greece.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mGfOHoun0OQ


Heh, my brother once said, "If you listen to music any older it will people hitting rocks together"

But yes, music is a conversation over all time.

Tyranthraxus posted...
Thanks for the tune but maybe you should edit out the hyperlink so it doesn't embed lmao


I'm not sure what you mean, we do it all the time here.

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Ivynn
12/14/21 2:56:40 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Thanks for the tune but maybe you should edit out the hyperlink so it doesn't embed lmao


I don't follow? Posting from phone so I had to use a mobile link lol

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Tyranthraxus
12/14/21 2:58:02 PM
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Ivynn posted...
I don't follow? Posting from phone so I had to use a mobile link lol

The YT thumbnail is full of baby penis flying over a naked woman

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lilORANG
12/14/21 2:58:32 PM
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Sebastian Bach is definitely my favorite hair rocker.

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Big_Nabendu
12/14/21 2:59:37 PM
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https://youtu.be/0Xjkx5i6XV0

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CelestialVoices
12/14/21 3:18:54 PM
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finally a quality topic on ce

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toreysback
12/14/21 3:21:13 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6qFCYRQKVA

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SiO4
12/14/21 3:53:37 PM
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CelestialVoices posted...
finally a quality topic on ce


Thank you. Danke!!!

Username checks out, and yes I remember you, so I am posting this here.
A little off topic, but can bring it back. If you'd like.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGA6djLsDgs

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Sariana21
12/14/21 3:58:49 PM
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I didnt check the links. Did anyone post the Dies Irae? Look up Dies Irae 4 notes to learn how prevalent this motif is.

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ApherosyLove
12/14/21 4:02:29 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
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RedLuigi
12/14/21 4:22:25 PM
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That really is something cause literally Ive heard all of that referenced whenever someone tries to inject classical into something - its always pieces of these phrases


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SiO4
12/14/21 5:14:23 PM
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RedLuigi posted...
That really is something cause literally Ive heard all of that referenced whenever someone tries to inject classical into something - its always pieces of these phrases



Que?

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RedLuigi
12/14/21 5:19:50 PM
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SiO4 posted...
Que?

All these licks are what are still being played today whenever someone goes for a classical style motif when theyre improvising

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SiO4
12/14/21 5:22:46 PM
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RedLuigi posted...


All these licks are what are still being played today whenever someone goes for a classical style motif when theyre improvising


Ya, but the point is, this Baroque, well before the Classical Era.
But I know what you mean know.

This would be approaching the classical sound, and is in fact from the second book of the WTC, so 20 years out from the first song.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8oDOgcCVVg

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RedLuigi
12/14/21 5:29:15 PM
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SiO4 posted...
Ya, but the point is, this Baroque, well before the Classical Era.
But I know what you mean know.

Ohhhhh.. huh, that really IS something then

Was that symphony you posted awhile ago also a J.S Bach thing? iirc you said it was like Sgt. Peppers before the idea of that was ever a thing

SiO4 posted...
The first half of Singet dem Herrn ein neues Lied is pure fire once it gets going.
It translates into, Sing unto the Lord a new song, and starts on an ancient chord, and later finds itself in an almost psychedelic cacophony.

^^^I think it was this thing?


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Tyranthraxus
12/14/21 5:30:46 PM
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SiO4 posted...
Ya, but the point is, this Baroque, well before the Classical Era.
But I know what you mean know.

This would be approaching the classical sound, and is in fact from the second book of the WTC, so 20 years out from the first song.

Classical Era isn't the same thing as Classical Music though really. "Classical Music" is going to encompass Baroque, Classical, Opera, and Renaissance music.

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toreysback
12/14/21 5:33:41 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Classical Era isn't the same thing as Classical Music though really. "Classical Music" is going to encompass Baroque, Classical, Opera, and Renaissance music.

when most people use the term "classical music" these days, it also encompasses romantic and modern era music as well. thus most people would classify tchaikovsky and stravinsky as classical composers, although technically they are nothing of the sort

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VipaGTS
12/14/21 5:33:52 PM
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Thats cool and all, but it kinda sucks.

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R1masher
12/14/21 5:46:48 PM
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You're a Mozart fan. I love him too. I looooove Mozart! He was Austrian you know? But for this kind of work
*imitates playing the piano*
he's a little bit light. So I tend to go for the heavier guys. Check out Brahms. He's good too.

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SiO4
12/14/21 5:52:08 PM
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RedLuigi posted...
Ohhhhh.. huh, that really IS something then


Ya read the first post, that puts it into perspective. RedLuigi posted...
Was that symphony you posted awhile ago also a J.S Bach thing? iirc you said it was like Sgt. Peppers before the idea of that was ever a thing


No that would be his Mass. It was the first time anyone decided to put the whole thing together as one continuous piece. And the fact that he did it in Latin was not normal for a Lurthern in its time at all.

Also the Symphonic form wasn't really a thing yet. Most of the time, he would not have had the amount of musicians for that sort of thing. He probably suggested it though. Bach was actually a working man when all is said and done. He mostly worked for the Church. He just happened to be other level brilliant.

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SiO4
12/14/21 5:54:26 PM
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R1masher posted...
You're a Mozart fan. I love him too. I looooove Mozart! He was Austrian you know? But for this kind of work
*imitates playing the piano*
he's a little bit light. So I tend to go for the heavier guys. Check out Brahms. He's good too.


I have no problem with Brahms. Or Mendelson, and certainly not Tchaikovsky.

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pinky0926
12/14/21 5:54:27 PM
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When I listen to Bach I get the impression that the guy was just an mathematician on the spectrum trying to write down as many variations of a pattern as possible.

It's wonderful though

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Tyranthraxus
12/14/21 5:56:30 PM
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Bach music feels like he's trying to prove he can move his fingers faster than any human alive

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SiO4
12/14/21 5:56:54 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Classical Era isn't the same thing as Classical Music though really. "Classical Music" is going to encompass Baroque, Classical, Opera, and Renaissance music.


In general conversation yes.
But there is a difference....and you left out Romantic.
And Opera isn't an era, that would mostly fall into The Classical period.

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SiO4
12/14/21 5:58:35 PM
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pinky0926 posted...
When I listen to Bach I get the impression that the guy was just an mathematician on the spectrum trying to write down as many variations of a pattern as possible.

It's wonderful though


He has a real sense of humanity about him.
Yes, it is technically perfect. But there is a human touch.
He just never made the song about him.
That is where The Classical era loses me sometimes.

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Tyranthraxus
12/14/21 6:00:12 PM
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SiO4 posted...
In general conversation yes.
But there is a difference....and you left out Romantic.
And Opera isn't an era, that would mostly fall into The Classical period.
Opera as a style predates Bach. Well before the classical period.

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SiO4
12/14/21 6:07:15 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...

Opera as a style predates Bach. Well before the classical period.


Not quite to the extent that it got in The Classical era.

I mentioned Purcell earlier, he definitely had some works that hinted at Opera.
Bach did as well, but not with the same stage presence.

The Classical era was sort of the beginning of Pop music.

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Big_Nabendu
12/15/21 4:07:39 PM
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No love for Schubert? Chopin?

https://youtu.be/0bjB-IWEYI0

https://youtu.be/fBA-38mzabs

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