Poll of the Day > Finally got around to watch Captain Marvel.

(+) Yeah! (+)

It wasn't bad. Most of the hate clearly comes from incels that were butthurt that mean, old Brie Larson said something not nice about men.

Yeah I loved it. People were so mad about it lol

i especially loved the 90s atmosphere and the cool Phil Coulson cameo

I didnt hate it but I thought it was just okay

best Stan Lee cameo

I don't have any issue with brie as a person, but I think her performance was just okay. CM is like a 7/10 movie for me.

I really hope her next movie is better received. Its called The Marvels and it also stars Kamala Khan / Ms Marvel (along with Brie Larson and Sam Jackson)

It's by far the worst MCU film by a wide margin, and -- on top of being bad on its own merits -- shits on the MCU in general, by retconning/revealing awful stuff.

Among other issues, there's no real character arc or character growth. Every other MCU hero film has a hero's journey, but Captain Mary-Sue was perfect all along and it was just society holding her back.

I know people sometimes crap on the first WW, and while it wasn't amazing, it was STILL worlds better than Captain Marvel. Hell, even WW84 was a step up from Captain Marvel. And just like the Ghostbusters reboot, the studio tried to sway the narrative -- and successfully got the easily-led to parrot it -- that Captain Marvel and the Ghostbuters reboots weren't bad movies, people just hated them because of misogyny.

GanonsSpirit posted...

It wasn't bad. Most of the hate clearly comes from incels that were butthurt that mean, old Brie Larson said something not nice about men.

Yet another shit take posted from your shitposting account

FrozenBananas posted...

I really hope her next movie is better received. Its called The Marvels and it also stars Kamala Khan / Ms Marvel (along with Brie Larson and Sam Jackson)

I like that this guy's concern is how well the movie is received, not about the quality of the film. FFS!

Might be the first time I've ever sort of agreed with Zeus, kind of, in bits, a little.

She was too dull. They kept talking about her reigning in her emotions but she didn't show any except occasional weak smarm

It's about middle-of-the-road for MCU movies. Far from the worst, far from the best. Briefly actually gave a better performance than everyone loves to claim

Metalsonic66 posted...

Far from the worst,

Didn't you hate AoU? If so, I'm going to question your worst vs best.

Honestly, running through the entire MCU, I can't think of one film worse than Captain Marvel. If not for Captain Marvel, the only one that really struck me as a bit of misfire might have been Thor 2... although I haven't seen the Spidey films (unlikely to be worst), Eternals (maybe a contender for worst), Shang-Chi, or Black Widow.

In every scene you could tell all the other actors really disliked Brie Larson.

She is just a very boring actor, and you can take that in good faith since I am also female and am also not fond of dudes.

Zeus posted...

Didn't you hate AoU?

I didn't like it as much as the other Avengers movies but I still liked it

If so, I'm going to question your worst vs best.

I'm not gonna rank all 69 movies but the worst by a longshot are Thor 1&2 and Iron Man 2&3

But that's "worst" by MCU standards. Even those movies are still better than shit like Green Lantern and Fant4stick

Metalsonic66 posted...

I'm not gonna rank all 69 movies but the worst by a longshot are Thor 1&2 and Iron Man 2&3

Thor 1 was dull, IM2 was exciting-bad whereas Thor2 & CapMarv were dull-bad. IM3 was a clusterfuck but it had some moments.

Metalsonic66 posted...

But that's "worst" by MCU standards. Even those movies are still better than shit like Green Lantern and Fant4stick

I'll give you F4nt4stic, but GL was fun-bad whereas Thor2 and Captain Marvel weren't even fun. I wouldn't call CapMarv the worst comic movie ever, but it's around Catwoman bad (which still puts it ahead of Ghost Rider and maybe Rise of the Silver Surfer).

You have the right to your opinion

FrozenBananas posted...

Yeah I loved it. People were so mad about it lol

i especially loved the 90s atmosphere and the cool Phil Coulson cameo

I think this might be the perfect normie defense of Captain Marvel. I thought it was awful but "I remember the 90s! I remember that guy from that other Marvel movie!" is as much of a reason as any that it didn't do worse critically/at the box office than Eternals.

And as terrible as I think Captain Marvel is, and as unlikeable and wooden Brie Larson is in it, she is not a bad actress. Room is the obvious thing to point to given the number of awards she was given/nominated for. She was fine in Skull Island too.

SomeUsername529 posted...

I think this might be the perfect normie defense of Captain Marvel. I thought it was awful but "I remember the 90s! I remember that guy from that other Marvel movie!" is as much of a reason as any that it didn't do worse critically/at the box office than Eternals.

And as terrible as I think Captain Marvel is, and as unlikeable and wooden Brie Larson is in it, she is not a bad actress. Room is the obvious thing to point to given the number of awards she was given/nominated for. She was fine in Skull Island too.

While her performance was meh, the script was lousy so unless somebody was playing it completely tongue-in-cheek (Allison Brie might have helped) with occasional winks at the camera, it was still going to be awful.

Yall are a bunch of fucking nerds being angry about shit like this. Its one single movie in a universe of 25+

anf its also trying to find a normie audience, you fuckin nerd! Because its trying to make as much money as possible, and thats who does to the movie theaters

CM was't bad but it was pretty mediocre. Brie's comments afterwards definitely rubbed me the wrong way.

It wasn't bad, but it was very forgettable which for a marvel movie of the 2010s means it was below average.

GanonsSpirit posted...

It wasn't bad.

If anything, that was the problem. It was a mediocre movie needlessly shoehorned into the middle of two of the best movies in the MCU. It was going to draw criticism no matter who the lead actor was - Brie Larson kind of making an ass of herself on the PR tour didn't help, but it's far from the sole reason people crapped on the movie.



GanonsSpirit posted...

Most of the hate clearly comes from incels that were butthurt that mean, old Brie Larson said something not nice about men.

Just so you know, immediately dismissing all criticism as being inherently sexist is itself an incredibly sexist attitude. It's pretty much a combination of "Women are helpless and fragile and I must protect them" white-knighting, combined with the assumption that woman have literally no identity or value outside of their gender. You're basically saying a woman's gender is the only thing about them that matters, and therefore is the only thing anyone can ever possibly object to, and any other excuse or argument they use is just a cover story because they hate women.

(It also ignores, you know, all the famous female actresses that people actually like and respect. Almost as if their gender isn't the main thing that determines how people feel about them...)

It's like when people tried to defend the all-female Ghostbusters movie by claiming the only reason people were opposed to it was because it was all-female. Were there chauvinistic people who hated it because of the female leads? Sure, absolutely. But the vast majority of the criticism was coming from people who thought it was a terrible movie that shit on the entire past of the franchise, and was just another shitty callous Hollywood nostalgia reboot. Because it was.

You basically need to stop judging things based on the voices of the worst vocal complainers and the narrative Internet entertainment media tries to spin for you. Or you're going to have a very distorted and mostly wrong view of the world.



Metalsonic66 posted...

It's about middle-of-the-road for MCU movies. Far from the worst, far from the best. Briefly actually gave a better performance than everyone loves to claim

The real problem is that Carol Danvers is kind of a terrible character. She's bland as fuck 99% of the time when she's being written by anyone other than Chris Claremont. No actress was ever going to be able to pull a worthwhile performance out of the character. But especially not with the script we got.

It's part of why I said even at the time I'd have much rather seen them go with the black woman Captain Marvel (the one they basically cameo'd as a kid and then introduced in WandaVision), or the space lesbian Captain Marvel. Both were better female versions of the character than Carol ever was. And could have lent themselves to better stories.

That being said, my biggest problems with the movie aren't even ones related to Brie Larson. I thought she was fine. One of my big complaints (other than the fact that the movie is mediocre at best) is how blatantly unsubtle they are when they're hammering home the "GET IT? IT'S THE 90's!! DO YOU GET IT?!!" moments. It doesn't tickle my nostalgia as much as it just feels a bit cringe. The same with some of the "Girl Power - grrr!" moments - a lot of them felt like a failure of "show, don't tell", where they could have done the job much more effectively if they did a better job of making the character feel cool, rather than having all the characters tell us how cool she is.

I also kind of dislike how the movie retcons multiple elements of the MCU and retroactively makes this new character the most important person evar - but that's not so much a problem with this movie or even the MCU as a whole and more a problem with comic books as a medium in general. Especially over the last 20 years or so, as tons of mediocre or terrible writers keep going back and retconning classic stories because they aren't creative or interesting enough to tell worthwhile stories of their own.

I also think the movie was really hurt by its placement. In the same way the Black Widow movie was badly hurt by coming out when it did (after she'd already died), Captain Marvel would have worked better if they'd put off her debut until after Endgame and not tried to shoehorn her so hard into the movie in a completely unnecessary way. It makes her feel like an interloper and is pretty much guaranteed to generate resentment. She doesn't feel like she belongs in a movie that is supposed to be the epic conclusion to 10 years worth of stories she wasn't part of (the same reason it would have been just as annoying if the Eternals or the Fantastic Four or even the X-Men popped up out of nowhere in the last act of Endgame for no real reason other than they're setting them up for future films).

Conversely, if they'd introduced her as a character much earlier (say, start of Phase Three, or even earlier in Phase Two), and integrated her into the world more, people would have been more comfortable with her by that point, and less pissy about her showing up out of nowhere.

It also doesn't help that they used one of the most overpowered versions of her character, pretty much outclassing every other Avenger. Which is a large part of where the cries of MARY SUE! come from. If they'd gone with the original more scaled back version of the character (ie, basically the powers Rogue has in most early X-Men comics and cartoons - flight and super-strength), she might have fit into the established MCU setting better. But they went with an even more pumped up version of her powers when she was Binary (when she was more of a cosmic character), which makes her feel like she really doesn't fit in the current narrative at all (she'd probably fit much better into a hypothetical "Cosmic MCU" with characters like Nova, Adam Warlock, the Silver Surfer, or Quasar).

Basically, so much of the film feels like a cynical exec somewhere said "We need a movie with a female lead so people stop accusing us of being sexist", and then once they started it they decided the lead had to be better than every other character so no one could criticize her for being too weak or inferior to any of the male characters. At which point they got so wrapped up in the message that they forgot to write a worthwhile story.

They would have been so much better off if they'd just made a Black Widow movie years ago when people actually wanted one. Or used any one of a bunch of better female characters Marvel has. Or if Marvel just stopped trying to push Carol as their "main female lead character/Wonder Woman analogue" solely because she has "Marvel" in her character name.

(If they hadn't wasted Mockingbird in Agents of SHIELD, that could have made for an interesting movie as well. Or She-Hulk, though that was probably hung up more by rights issues with the Hulk IP and Universal than anything else. And along those lines, it probably doesn't help Marvel that a lot of the strong female characters they have fall into the X-Men and Spider-Man IP groups, meaning Marvel didn't have access to them while Fox and Sony controlled the rights. But there are always better options than Carol.)

I actually like Movie Carol better than Comic Carol

Especially after Civil War 2

Metalsonic66 posted...

I actually like Movie Carol better than Comic Carol

Especially after Civil War 2

Comic Carol after Civil War was about as big a piece of shit as Comic Tony was after the original Civil War.

Though more difficult to redeem, because her stance was always dumber, and because more people actually liked Tony and wanted to see him salvaged (and they still had to basically erase his memory and destroy his life to fix him - whereas Carol... didn't even really apologize all that much for all the wrongful imprisonment and destroying innocent people's lives. But it's okay because he felt a little bit guilty, and then later helped prevent Hydra from taking over the world... conveniently ignoring that it was her screw-up that helped them pull it off in the first place).

Carol tends to feel like a bit of a karma houdini. Which doesn't help people who already kind of dislike her to warm up to her.

I saw it in theaters and can't remember a single thing about it.

but I'm always on weed man

it definitely came off more generic than bad, if anything. not really worth hate like it was getting. it was easy to watch through, just like every other marvel film. i just find the character boring.

brie larson's still a wet fart though, idc.

Metalsonic66 posted...

It's about middle-of-the-road for MCU movies. Far from the worst, far from the best. Briefly actually gave a better performance than everyone loves to claim

The movie wasn't that short.

I have no idea how that typo happened TBH lol