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Gwynevere 01/10/22 1:32:28 PM #355:	CyricZ posted... Nobody. Not a single person is saying this. This holy shit Having preferences is fine, but using those preferences to be a shithead to trans people and say stuff like "trans women aren't real women" is the real problem --- A hunter is a hunter...even in a dream <cite>Gwynevere posted [p:961633839] in After bott... [t:79841875]...</cite> <quote>CyricZ posted... </cite> <quote>Nobody. Not a single person is saying this.</quote>This holy shit Having preferences is fine, but using those preferences to be a shithead to trans people and say stuff like "trans women aren't real women" is the real problem </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MutantJohn 01/10/22 1:33:57 PM #356:	Nobody said trans women aren't real women, they just don't wanna have sex with them. --- "Oh, my mother; oh, my friends, ask the angels, will I ever see heaven again?" - Laura Marling <cite>MutantJohn posted [p:961633877] in After bott... [t:79841875]...</cite> <quote>Nobody said trans women aren't real women, they just don't wanna have sex with them. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lil_Bit83 01/10/22 1:36:00 PM #358:	CyricZ posted... Nobody. Not a single person is saying this. Also I have no idea how you thought your statement was applicable to that post. That post isn't saying that at all. That post is discussing the concept of AMAB/AFAB. Actually Aspirin did say that people ought to accept that someone was lying to their face. And I was explaining it in a way they'd understand, if you'd bothered to read several of their posts. --- 2DS FC tempest 1478 9807 1205 <cite>Lil_Bit83 posted [p:961633927] in After bott... [t:79841875]...</cite> <quote>CyricZ posted... </cite> <quote>Nobody. Not a single person is saying this. Also I have no idea how you thought your statement was applicable to that post. That post isn't saying that at all. That post is discussing the concept of AMAB/AFAB.</quote> Actually Aspirin did say that people ought to accept that someone was lying to their face. And I was explaining it in a way they'd understand, if you'd bothered to read several of their posts. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 01/10/22 1:36:42 PM #359:	Gwynevere posted... Having preferences is fine, but using those preferences to be a shithead to trans people and say stuff like "trans women aren't real women" is the real problem The greater problem I'm seeing is the continued reinforcement of "it's okay to consider trans people as the one who has done wrong when they 'trick' you". It basically establishes harmful attitudes like violence against trans people as valid simply because "a lot of people don't want to date trans people". --- CyricZ He/him <cite>CyricZ posted [p:961633950] in After bott... [t:79841875]...</cite> <quote>Gwynevere posted... </cite> <quote>Having preferences is fine, but using those preferences to be a shithead to trans people and say stuff like "trans women aren't real women" is the real problem</quote>The greater problem I'm seeing is the continued reinforcement of "it's okay to consider trans people as the one who has done wrong when they 'trick' you". It basically establishes harmful attitudes like violence against trans people as valid simply because "a lot of people don't want to date trans people". </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 01/10/22 1:37:33 PM #360:	Lil_Bit83 posted... Actually Aspirin did say that people ought to accept that someone was lying to their face. And I was explaining it in a way they'd understand, if you'd bothered to read several of their posts. Well maybe if you quoted their post instead of Musourenka's, that would come across better. Which post are you referring to? --- CyricZ He/him <cite>CyricZ posted [p:961633971] in After bott... [t:79841875]...</cite> <quote>Lil_Bit83 posted... </cite> <quote>Actually Aspirin did say that people ought to accept that someone was lying to their face. And I was explaining it in a way they'd understand, if you'd bothered to read several of their posts.</quote>Well maybe if you quoted their post instead of Musourenka's, that would come across better. Which post are you referring to? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lil_Bit83 01/10/22 1:37:41 PM #361:	Gwynevere posted... This holy shit Having preferences is fine, but using those preferences to be a shithead to trans people and say stuff like "trans women aren't real women" is the real problem And where was I saying that? --- 2DS FC tempest 1478 9807 1205 <cite>Lil_Bit83 posted [p:961633979] in After bott... [t:79841875]...</cite> <quote>Gwynevere posted... </cite> <quote>This holy shit Having preferences is fine, but using those preferences to be a shithead to trans people and say stuff like "trans women aren't real women" is the real problem</quote>And where was I saying that? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UndefeatedGOAT 01/10/22 1:40:39 PM #362:	MutantJohn posted... Nobody said trans women aren't real women, they just don't wanna have sex with them. because they'll be banned from the site i think most people believe that for sure <cite>UndefeatedGOAT posted [p:961634054] in After bott... [t:79841875]...</cite> <quote>MutantJohn posted...</cite> <quote>Nobody said trans women aren't real women, they just don't wanna have sex with them. </quote> because they'll be banned from the site i think most people believe that for sure</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nemu 01/10/22 1:42:27 PM #363:	CyricZ posted... The greater problem I'm seeing is the continued reinforcement of "it's okay to consider trans people as the one who has done wrong when they 'trick' you". It basically establishes harmful attitudes like violence against trans people as valid simply because "a lot of people don't want to date trans people". No matter what wording you want to use, someone who is trans that doesn't disclose it is willingly withholding information from the other party in a malicious way. Even if you want to say "trick" is contentious because they are the gender they represent themselves as, as compared to a crossdresser in the same situation who is misrepresenting their gender identity, that doesn't make it any less scummy because the point of contention is the biology and not the gender identity. I'd assume most transpeople aren't scummy enough to do that, but it's still a discussion to have nonetheless. <cite>Nemu posted [p:961634100] in After bott... [t:79841875]...</cite> <quote>CyricZ posted... </cite> <quote>The greater problem I'm seeing is the continued reinforcement of "it's okay to consider trans people as the one who has done wrong when they 'trick' you". It basically establishes harmful attitudes like violence against trans people as valid simply because "a lot of people don't want to date trans people".</quote>No matter what wording you want to use, someone who is trans that doesn't disclose it is willingly withholding information from the other party in a malicious way. Even if you want to say "trick" is contentious because they are the gender they represent themselves as, as compared to a crossdresser in the same situation who is misrepresenting their gender identity, that doesn't make it any less scummy because the point of contention is the biology and not the gender identity. I'd assume most transpeople aren't scummy enough to do that, but it's still a discussion to have nonetheless. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lil_Bit83 01/10/22 1:43:25 PM #364:	CyricZ posted... The greater problem I'm seeing is the continued reinforcement of "it's okay to consider trans people as the one who has done wrong when they 'trick' you". It basically establishes harmful attitudes like violence against trans people as valid simply because "a lot of people don't want to date trans people". Did i say that violence was ever right? Or did I say that being dishonest to a person who doesn't swing that way was wrong? I said if they end up with a heart wrenching break up that's their fault. You sure love to put words in people's mouths. I said they should be honest with their partners and date within circles that aren't likely to have homophobic assholes in them. Unfortunately homophobic assholes exist, just like racist assholes exist. --- 2DS FC tempest 1478 9807 1205 <cite>Lil_Bit83 posted [p:961634126] in After bott... [t:79841875]...</cite> <quote>CyricZ posted... </cite> <quote>The greater problem I'm seeing is the continued reinforcement of "it's okay to consider trans people as the one who has done wrong when they 'trick' you". It basically establishes harmful attitudes like violence against trans people as valid simply because "a lot of people don't want to date trans people".</quote>Did i say that violence was ever right? Or did I say that being dishonest to a person who doesn't swing that way was wrong? I said if they end up with a heart wrenching break up that's their fault. You sure love to put words in people's mouths. I said they should be honest with their partners and date within circles that aren't likely to have homophobic assholes in them. Unfortunately homophobic assholes exist, just like racist assholes exist. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 01/10/22 1:44:54 PM #365:	Nemu posted... someone who is trans that doesn't disclose it is willingly withholding information from the other party in a malicious way What is the malice in this context? Also please get off cross-dressers, for god's sake, it's not part of the discussion. Lil_Bit83 posted... Did i say that violence was ever right? Or did I say that being dishonest to a person who doesn't swing that way was wrong? I didn't quote you, so don't presume I meant you. Unless you're feeling guilty about your words, in which case, that's on you. --- CyricZ He/him <cite>CyricZ posted [p:961634168] in After bott... [t:79841875]...</cite> <quote>Nemu posted... </cite> <quote>someone who is trans that doesn't disclose it is willingly withholding information from the other party in a malicious way</quote>What is the malice in this context? Also please get off cross-dressers, for god's sake, it's not part of the discussion. Lil_Bit83 posted... </cite> <quote>Did i say that violence was ever right? Or did I say that being dishonest to a person who doesn't swing that way was wrong? </quote>I didn't quote you, so don't presume I meant you. Unless you're feeling guilty about your words, in which case, that's on you. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gwynevere 01/10/22 1:51:37 PM #366:	CyricZ posted... The greater problem I'm seeing is the continued reinforcement of "it's okay to consider trans people as the one who has done wrong when they 'trick' you". It basically establishes harmful attitudes like violence against trans people as valid simply because "a lot of people don't want to date trans people". Yeah that's a huge problem as well Kind of insane how much media has put the fear of being tricked by a woman with a penis into people's minds. The odds of a situation happening where you bring a woman home and find out she's pre op after getting into it are so astronomically low I'd say it's a statistical impossibility, but the frequency of these discussions would have you believe it's happening all the time --- A hunter is a hunter...even in a dream <cite>Gwynevere posted [p:961634338] in After bott... [t:79841875]...</cite> <quote>CyricZ posted... </cite> <quote>The greater problem I'm seeing is the continued reinforcement of "it's okay to consider trans people as the one who has done wrong when they 'trick' you". It basically establishes harmful attitudes like violence against trans people as valid simply because "a lot of people don't want to date trans people".</quote>Yeah that's a huge problem as well Kind of insane how much media has put the fear of being tricked by a woman with a penis into people's minds. The odds of a situation happening where you bring a woman home and find out she's pre op after getting into it are so astronomically low I'd say it's a statistical impossibility, but the frequency of these discussions would have you believe it's happening all the time </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 01/10/22 1:53:01 PM #367:	Gwynevere posted... Kind of insane how much media has put the fear of being tricked by a woman with a penis into people's minds. IT'S A LOT. Relevant (but long): https://youtu.be/cHTMidTLO60 --- CyricZ He/him <cite>CyricZ posted [p:961634370] in After bott... [t:79841875]...</cite> <quote>Gwynevere posted... </cite> <quote>Kind of insane how much media has put the fear of being tricked by a woman with a penis into people's minds.</quote>IT'S A LOT. Relevant (but long): https://youtu.be/cHTMidTLO60 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Fazeo13 01/10/22 1:53:06 PM #368:	Eramir posted... I would fuck her and give her a really good time but with all due respect she needs to tell her partner shes trans Ha u * brah. --- You aren't even really reading my posts; you're just staring at your e-mail client and fondly reminiscing about that hobo you stabbed to death. :P <cite>Fazeo13 posted [p:961634372] in After bott... [t:79841875]...</cite> <quote>Eramir posted...</cite> <quote>I would fuck her and give her a really good time but with all due respect she needs to tell her partner shes trans </quote> Ha u * brah.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MutantJohn 01/10/22 1:53:14 PM #369:	It's just such a weird hill to die on, "If you were truly tolerant, you'd have sex with me" --- "Oh, my mother; oh, my friends, ask the angels, will I ever see heaven again?" - Laura Marling <cite>MutantJohn posted [p:961634375] in After bott... [t:79841875]...</cite> <quote>It's just such a weird hill to die on, "If you were truly tolerant, you'd have sex with me" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nemu 01/10/22 1:53:30 PM #370:	CyricZ posted... What is the malice in this context? Also please get off cross-dressers, for god's sake, it's not part of the discussion. They are knowingly withholding critical knowledge that could potentially vastly change the parameters of the encounter. Putting the onus on the other party in this situation is stupid when the one with all the knowledge holds all the cards. The problem with this whole framework is acting like accepting that tran people are their identified gender means they categorically fit into all the same boxes as cis people despite their underlying biology still being relevant in many aspects. The discussion of crossdressers in the same situation is completely relevant because the only difference (aside from hormones and surgery) is that one identifies as their perceived gender and the other doesn't. <cite>Nemu posted [p:961634383] in After bott... [t:79841875]...</cite> <quote>CyricZ posted... </cite> <quote>What is the malice in this context? Also please get off cross-dressers, for god's sake, it's not part of the discussion.</quote>They are knowingly withholding critical knowledge that could potentially vastly change the parameters of the encounter. Putting the onus on the other party in this situation is stupid when the one with all the knowledge holds all the cards. The problem with this whole framework is acting like accepting that tran people are their identified gender means they categorically fit into all the same boxes as cis people despite their underlying biology still being relevant in many aspects. The discussion of crossdressers in the same situation is completely relevant because the only difference (aside from hormones and surgery) is that one identifies as their perceived gender and the other doesn't. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Medussa 01/10/22 1:56:24 PM #371:	Gwynevere posted... Yeah that's a huge problem as well Kind of insane how much media has put the fear of being tricked by a woman with a penis into people's minds. The odds of a situation happening where you bring a woman home and find out she's pre op after getting into it are so astronomically low I'd say it's a statistical impossibility, but the frequency of these discussions would have you believe it's happening all the time something something something three minute long vomit take something something --- Boom! That's right, this is all happening! You cannot change the channel now! Brought to you by... The Space Pope <cite>Medussa posted [p:961634455] in After bott... [t:79841875]...</cite> <quote>Gwynevere posted... </cite> <quote>Yeah that's a huge problem as well Kind of insane how much media has put the fear of being tricked by a woman with a penis into people's minds. The odds of a situation happening where you bring a woman home and find out she's pre op after getting into it are so astronomically low I'd say it's a statistical impossibility, but the frequency of these discussions would have you believe it's happening all the time</quote> something something something three minute long vomit take something something </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 01/10/22 2:01:00 PM #372:	Nemu posted... They are knowingly withholding critical knowledge For the sake of the class and everyone in here, please provide the exact knowledge that is, as you say, critical. Putting the onus on the other party in this situation is stupid when the one with all the knowledge holds all the cards. Is this implying that the other of the two people in this scenario is a completely open book and reveals everything about themselves? No cards held? The problem with this whole framework is acting like accepting that tran people are their identified gender means they categorically fit into all the same boxes as cis people despite their underlying biology still being relevant in many aspects. No one's really doing that here. You're making assumptions to fit your narrative. The discussion of crossdressers in the same situation is completely relevant because the only difference (aside from hormones and surgery) is that one identifies as their perceived gender and the other doesn't. Please don't say "sole difference" and then provide multiple extenuating differences. These aren't as unimportant as you seem to want to treat them. And that's why you should remove cross-dressers from the discussion. MutantJohn posted... It's just such a weird hill to die on, "If you were truly tolerant, you'd have sex with me" Again. No one's saying this. You. Are. Making. This. Up. --- CyricZ He/him <cite>CyricZ posted [p:961634570] in After bott... [t:79841875]...</cite> <quote>Nemu posted... </cite> <quote>They are knowingly withholding critical knowledge</quote>For the sake of the class and everyone in here, please provide the exact knowledge that is, as you say, critical. <quote>Putting the onus on the other party in this situation is stupid when the one with all the knowledge holds all the cards.</quote>Is this implying that the other of the two people in this scenario is a completely open book and reveals everything about themselves? No cards held? <quote>The problem with this whole framework is acting like accepting that tran people are their identified gender means they categorically fit into all the same boxes as cis people despite their underlying biology still being relevant in many aspects.</quote>No one's really doing that here. You're making assumptions to fit your narrative. <quote>The discussion of crossdressers in the same situation is completely relevant because the only difference (aside from hormones and surgery) is that one identifies as their perceived gender and the other doesn't.</quote>Please don't say "sole difference" and then provide multiple extenuating differences. These aren't as unimportant as you seem to want to treat them. And that's why you should remove cross-dressers from the discussion. MutantJohn posted... </cite> <quote>It's just such a weird hill to die on, "If you were truly tolerant, you'd have sex with me"</quote>Again. No one's saying this. You. Are. Making. This. Up. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gwynevere 01/10/22 2:02:58 PM #373:	Nemu posted... The discussion of crossdressers in the same situation is completely relevant because the only difference (aside from hormones and surgery) is that one identifies as their perceived gender and the other doesn't. It's a colossal mental leap to say trans people are basically just cross dressers if you ignore the massive physical and mental changes that come with hormones and surgery --- A hunter is a hunter...even in a dream <cite>Gwynevere posted [p:961634623] in After bott... [t:79841875]...</cite> <quote>Nemu posted... </cite> <quote>The discussion of crossdressers in the same situation is completely relevant because the only difference (aside from hormones and surgery) is that one identifies as their perceived gender and the other doesn't.</quote>It's a colossal mental leap to say trans people are basically just cross dressers if you ignore the massive physical and mental changes that come with hormones and surgery </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 01/10/22 2:03:48 PM #374:	There's only one difference if you don't count all the other differences. --- CyricZ He/him <cite>CyricZ posted [p:961634634] in After bott... [t:79841875]...</cite> <quote>There's only one difference if you don't count all the other differences. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Slayer_22 01/10/22 2:09:13 PM #375:	Cyric's argument consists of vaguely accusing people of stuff but when confronted, backing away and saying he didn't say it, so thus he's exonerated in what he says. Every topic he posts in is the same unless it's a conversation he actually has an opinion on(so, basically, Yakuza). --- "And no I'm not signing your twitter after this type of attitude so don't ask..." - IIINCORRUPTIBLE <cite>Slayer_22 posted [p:961634799] in After bott... [t:79841875]...</cite> <quote>Cyric's argument consists of vaguely accusing people of stuff but when confronted, backing away and saying he didn't say it, so thus he's exonerated in what he says. Every topic he posts in is the same unless it's a conversation he actually has an opinion on(so, basically, Yakuza).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MutantJohn 01/10/22 2:13:19 PM #376:	Slayer_22 posted... Cyric's argument consists of vaguely accusing people of stuff but when confronted, backing away and saying he didn't say it, so thus he's exonerated in what he says. lol seriously He's basically just Donald Trump'ing me at this point in time. --- "Oh, my mother; oh, my friends, ask the angels, will I ever see heaven again?" - Laura Marling <cite>MutantJohn posted [p:961634902] in After bott... [t:79841875]...</cite> <quote>Slayer_22 posted... </cite> <quote>Cyric's argument consists of vaguely accusing people of stuff but when confronted, backing away and saying he didn't say it, so thus he's exonerated in what he says.</quote>lol seriously He's basically just Donald Trump'ing me at this point in time. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nemu 01/10/22 2:17:45 PM #377:	Gwynevere posted... It's a colossal mental leap to say trans people are basically just cross dressers if you ignore the massive physical and mental changes that come with hormones and surgery Those changes don't matter when the underlying issue of all this has to do with the biological sexual characteristics of the person. For some people, outward presentation is all that matters, but that's not the case for everyone else. This whole thing seems to stem from people who have no preference not understanding why other people do have that preference. <cite>Nemu posted [p:961635017] in After bott... [t:79841875]...</cite> <quote>Gwynevere posted... </cite> <quote>It's a colossal mental leap to say trans people are basically just cross dressers if you ignore the massive physical and mental changes that come with hormones and surgery</quote>Those changes don't matter when the underlying issue of all this has to do with the biological sexual characteristics of the person. For some people, outward presentation is all that matters, but that's not the case for everyone else. This whole thing seems to stem from people who have no preference not understanding why other people do have that preference. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 01/10/22 2:22:45 PM #378:	Nemu posted... For some people, outward presentation is all that matters, but that's not the case for everyone else. What does "everyone else" think matters? This goes back to that "critical information" I'm asking for in Post #372. --- CyricZ He/him <cite>CyricZ posted [p:961635169] in After bott... [t:79841875]...</cite> <quote>Nemu posted... </cite> <quote>For some people, outward presentation is all that matters, but that's not the case for everyone else.</quote>What does "everyone else" think matters? This goes back to that "critical information" I'm asking for in Post #372. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Slayer_22 01/10/22 2:25:02 PM #379:	MutantJohn posted... lol seriously He's basically just Donald Trump'ing me at this point in time. It's his way of not getting modded. Cyric's smart about it. He's implying things, not outright saying them, so he's trying to lead you into the implication of said thing without him actually needing to say it. But since he's not saying it, he can keep himself free from claims of actually saying you're...whatever he's implying(depends on topic). So he never really has to back up anything he says and you can't really say he's accusing you of anything. It's also why he asks loaded questions, or asks questions that he will immediately act as if don't matter. Because then the onus is on you, and if he doesn't like it, that wasn't his point anyway. Basically, arguing with him will last 500 posts because he'll never actually say anything important. Oh, and if he says something unapologetically fucked up? Yeah, that's on you. Like the time he brought up someone's dead girlfriend because...you know, they were egging him on despite Cyric being the one to bring it up. So tread carefully if you argue with him and you think he might know of something that could possibly hurt you. You might 'make him' bring it up. --- "And no I'm not signing your twitter after this type of attitude so don't ask..." - IIINCORRUPTIBLE <cite>Slayer_22 posted [p:961635237] in After bott... [t:79841875]...</cite> <quote>MutantJohn posted...</cite> <quote> lol seriously He's basically just Donald Trump'ing me at this point in time. </quote> It's his way of not getting modded. Cyric's smart about it. He's implying things, not outright saying them, so he's trying to lead you into the implication of said thing without him actually needing to say it. But since he's not saying it, he can keep himself free from claims of actually saying you're...whatever he's implying(depends on topic). So he never really has to back up anything he says and you can't really say he's accusing you of anything. It's also why he asks loaded questions, or asks questions that he will immediately act as if don't matter. Because then the onus is on you, and if he doesn't like it, that wasn't his point anyway. Basically, arguing with him will last 500 posts because he'll never actually say anything important. Oh, and if he says something unapologetically fucked up? Yeah, that's on you. Like the time he brought up someone's dead girlfriend because...you know, they were egging him on despite Cyric being the one to bring it up. So tread carefully if you argue with him and you think he might know of something that could possibly hurt you. You might 'make him' bring it up.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Flauros 01/10/22 2:28:00 PM #380:	This topic is still going after the landslide poll? Why? --- https://i.imgur.com/EX6Md7k.gif https://i.imgur.com/ygAzHKB.mp4 https://i.imgur.com/c84omp7.gif https://i.imgur.com/Hj9RrC6.mp4 <cite>Flauros posted [p:961635330] in After bott... [t:79841875]...</cite> <quote>This topic is still going after the landslide poll? Why? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Slayer_22 01/10/22 2:28:33 PM #381:	Flauros posted... This topic is still going after the landslide poll? Why? Because Cyric lol --- "And no I'm not signing your twitter after this type of attitude so don't ask..." - IIINCORRUPTIBLE <cite>Slayer_22 posted [p:961635348] in After bott... [t:79841875]...</cite> <quote>Flauros posted...</cite> <quote>This topic is still going after the landslide poll? Why? </quote> Because Cyric lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nemu 01/10/22 2:32:26 PM #382:	CyricZ posted... What does "everyone else" think matters? This goes back to that "critical information" I'm asking for in Post #372. Why be this purposely disingenuous? What is the benefit to that? <cite>Nemu posted [p:961635449] in After bott... [t:79841875]...</cite> <quote>CyricZ posted... </cite> <quote>What does "everyone else" think matters? This goes back to that "critical information" I'm asking for in Post #372.</quote>Why be this purposely disingenuous? What is the benefit to that? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
asdf8562 01/10/22 2:34:22 PM #383:	Gwynevere posted... This holy shit Having preferences is fine, but using those preferences to be a shithead to trans people and say stuff like "trans women aren't real women" is the real problem No one in the topic has said this. <cite>asdf8562 posted [p:961635490] in After bott... [t:79841875]...</cite> <quote>Gwynevere posted... </cite> <quote>This holy shit Having preferences is fine, but using those preferences to be a shithead to trans people and say stuff like "trans women aren't real women" is the real problem</quote>No one in the topic has said this. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 01/10/22 2:35:40 PM #384:	Nemu posted... Why be this purposely disingenuous? What is the benefit to that? Why never answer the very obvious and what should be easy question being presented to you? --- CyricZ He/him <cite>CyricZ posted [p:961635531] in After bott... [t:79841875]...</cite> <quote>Nemu posted... </cite> <quote>Why be this purposely disingenuous? What is the benefit to that?</quote>Why never answer the very obvious and what should be easy question being presented to you? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeoRavus 01/10/22 2:42:39 PM #385:	[LFAQs-redacted-quote] What kind of shit gynecologist can't tell a biological snatch from a fabricated one. Seriously. I mean to each his/her own with what they wanna do to their junk but I find it impossible that a trained medical professional doesn't know what a natural pussy looks like. --- This is where cool people write stuff. <cite>LeoRavus posted [p:961635728] in After bott... [t:79841875]...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> What kind of shit gynecologist can't tell a biological snatch from a fabricated one. Seriously. I mean to each his/her own with what they wanna do to their junk but I find it impossible that a trained medical professional doesn't know what a natural pussy looks like. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MutantJohn 01/10/22 2:53:19 PM #386:	Ah, so Cyric is basically just trolling at this point. Alright, well, I've said all I think about the subject and am honest to God amazed my account is still here. I thought for sure that I'd have to make a new account and start rotating IPs. --- "Oh, my mother; oh, my friends, ask the angels, will I ever see heaven again?" - Laura Marling <cite>MutantJohn posted [p:961636019] in After bott... [t:79841875]...</cite> <quote>Ah, so Cyric is basically just trolling at this point. Alright, well, I've said all I think about the subject and am honest to God amazed my account is still here. I thought for sure that I'd have to make a new account and start rotating IPs. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 01/10/22 2:54:55 PM #387:	It takes some arrogance to announce you're leaving the topic having contributed nothing to it. Like nobody cares. Just go. --- CyricZ He/him <cite>CyricZ posted [p:961636062] in After bott... [t:79841875]...</cite> <quote>It takes some arrogance to announce you're leaving the topic having contributed nothing to it. Like nobody cares. Just go. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
asdf8562 01/10/22 3:07:56 PM #388:	MutantJohn posted... Ah, so Cyric is basically just trolling at this point Yes. Disingenuous points is the gimmick. Slayer summed up his arguing style pretty well. It's like having a debate with Kellyanne Conway. Constant goalpost moving and questions pivoting. <cite>asdf8562 posted [p:961636420] in After bott... [t:79841875]...</cite> <quote>MutantJohn posted... </cite> <quote>Ah, so Cyric is basically just trolling at this point</quote>Yes. Disingenuous points is the gimmick. Slayer summed up his arguing style pretty well. It's like having a debate with Kellyanne Conway. Constant goalpost moving and questions pivoting. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gwynevere 01/10/22 3:08:18 PM #389:	Nemu posted... Those changes don't matter when the underlying issue of all this has to do with the biological sexual characteristics of the person. What kind of biological sexual characteristics? Is there anything about trans women that precludes them from the pool of acceptable partners, that also does not overlap with any cis women? --- A hunter is a hunter...even in a dream <cite>Gwynevere posted [p:961636428] in After bott... [t:79841875]...</cite> <quote>Nemu posted... </cite> <quote>Those changes don't matter when the underlying issue of all this has to do with the biological sexual characteristics of the person.</quote>What kind of biological sexual characteristics? Is there anything about trans women that precludes them from the pool of acceptable partners, that also does not overlap with any cis women? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nemu 01/10/22 3:19:16 PM #390:	Gwynevere posted... What kind of biological sexual characteristics? Is there anything about trans women that precludes them from the pool of acceptable partners, that also does not overlap with any cis women? Male biology, simple as that. Gender affirming surgeries and treatments are just that, surgeries and treatments. If that is enough for someone to be sexually interested, that's fine and their sexuality shouldn't be mocked or criticized for that. In the same way, nobody should be criticized if that is not enough to be sexually interested. It's a different story if someone would be interested but is only hung up on ideas like it "being straight" or "being gay" or whatnot because of societal biases, but that's obviously not going to be a high percentage of people. <cite>Nemu posted [p:961636742] in After bott... [t:79841875]...</cite> <quote>Gwynevere posted... </cite> <quote>What kind of biological sexual characteristics? Is there anything about trans women that precludes them from the pool of acceptable partners, that also does not overlap with any cis women?</quote>Male biology, simple as that. Gender affirming surgeries and treatments are just that, surgeries and treatments. If that is enough for someone to be sexually interested, that's fine and their sexuality shouldn't be mocked or criticized for that. In the same way, nobody should be criticized if that is not enough to be sexually interested. It's a different story if someone would be interested but is only hung up on ideas like it "being straight" or "being gay" or whatnot because of societal biases, but that's obviously not going to be a high percentage of people. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 01/10/22 3:21:20 PM #391:	Feel like these conversations always converge on Theseus's Ship... --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:961636801] in After bott... [t:79841875]...</cite> <quote>Feel like these conversations always converge on Theseus's Ship... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 01/10/22 3:23:42 PM #392:	Y'know sometimes I wonder if I truly am missing something that was required in my upbringing what with all these cis men thinking I'm being "disingenuous". Like the idea that I, a cis man, am supposed to just "already know" the answer to all my questions, and that I was somehow not supplied this through my formative years. Then I work up a good belch and feel better. Nemu posted... Male biology, simple as that. Gender affirming surgeries and treatments are just that, surgeries and treatments. Once these surgeries and treatments are applied, what remaining elements of male biology? And I swear to God if you say chromosomes I'm going to eat another Starburst. In fact I might just do that anyway. --- CyricZ He/him <cite>CyricZ posted [p:961636858] in After bott... [t:79841875]...</cite> <quote>Y'know sometimes I wonder if I truly am missing something that was required in my upbringing what with all these cis men thinking I'm being "disingenuous". Like the idea that I, a cis man, am supposed to just "already know" the answer to all my questions, and that I was somehow not supplied this through my formative years. Then I work up a good belch and feel better. Nemu posted... </cite> <quote>Male biology, simple as that. Gender affirming surgeries and treatments are just that, surgeries and treatments.</quote>Once these surgeries and treatments are applied, what remaining elements of male biology? And I swear to God if you say chromosomes I'm going to eat another Starburst. In fact I might just do that anyway. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gwynevere 01/10/22 3:31:57 PM #393:	Nemu posted... Male biology, simple as that. You can't just say "biology" as a catch all explanation. Biology has a lot of rigorously defined terms for a reason, so give me some examples like I asked for --- A hunter is a hunter...even in a dream <cite>Gwynevere posted [p:961637071] in After bott... [t:79841875]...</cite> <quote>Nemu posted... </cite> <quote>Male biology, simple as that.</quote>You can't just say "biology" as a catch all explanation. Biology has a lot of rigorously defined terms for a reason, so give me some examples like I asked for </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nemu 01/10/22 3:35:12 PM #394:	CyricZ posted... Y'know sometimes I wonder if I truly am missing something that was required in my upbringing what with all these cis men thinking I'm being "disingenuous". Like the idea that I, a cis man, am supposed to just "already know" the answer to all my questions, and that I was somehow not supplied this through my formative years. Then I work up a good belch and feel better. Once these surgeries and treatments are applied, what remaining elements of male biology? And I swear to God if you say chromosomes I'm going to eat another Starburst. In fact I might just do that anyway. Male biology, simple as that. That is literally it. It's not a matter of surface level-appearance or attraction to that appearance. If you want to posit the idea that some percentage of people may be unfairly dismissing trans people due to their preconceived notions, that's a perfectly valid area of discussion. Anything beyond that, you're just being preachy because you cannot even conceptualize the idea for some reason. <cite>Nemu posted [p:961637161] in After bott... [t:79841875]...</cite> <quote>CyricZ posted... </cite> <quote>Y'know sometimes I wonder if I truly am missing something that was required in my upbringing what with all these cis men thinking I'm being "disingenuous". Like the idea that I, a cis man, am supposed to just "already know" the answer to all my questions, and that I was somehow not supplied this through my formative years. Then I work up a good belch and feel better. Once these surgeries and treatments are applied, what remaining elements of male biology? And I swear to God if you say chromosomes I'm going to eat another Starburst. In fact I might just do that anyway.</quote>Male biology, simple as that. That is literally it. It's not a matter of surface level-appearance or attraction to that appearance. If you want to posit the idea that some percentage of people may be unfairly dismissing trans people due to their preconceived notions, that's a perfectly valid area of discussion. Anything beyond that, you're just being preachy because you cannot even conceptualize the idea for some reason. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 01/10/22 3:39:12 PM #395:	Since I am just sitting on this train, I've been using this time to review that Lindsay Ellis video I posted, and... Ace Ventura Naked Gun Family Guy The Hangover Dude Where's My Car South Park All with examples of trans revelation as being vomit inducing. Is it any wonder we have a whole generation of cis men who can't put words to their internal issues with regards to trans women conceptually. Incidentally, the chapter of that video where she goes over all those examples is called "Two Decades of Puking". EDIT: Case in point of people not being able to put words behind it, our good friend Nemu here answering my question about what elements of male biology with "male biology". --- CyricZ He/him <cite>CyricZ posted [p:961637241] in After bott... [t:79841875]...</cite> <quote>Since I am just sitting on this train, I've been using this time to review that Lindsay Ellis video I posted, and... Ace Ventura Naked Gun Family Guy The Hangover Dude Where's My Car South Park All with examples of trans revelation as being vomit inducing. Is it any wonder we have a whole generation of cis men who can't put words to their internal issues with regards to trans women conceptually. Incidentally, the chapter of that video where she goes over all those examples is called "Two Decades of Puking". EDIT: Case in point of people not being able to put words behind it, our good friend Nemu here answering my question about what elements of male biology with "male biology". </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dj1200 01/10/22 3:48:13 PM #396:	I think she should tell whoever she's intimate with. But whatever. --- "It was so ridiculous and I have so many feelings about it." -Virtual Energies <cite>dj1200 posted [p:961637477] in After bott... [t:79841875]...</cite> <quote>I think she should tell whoever she's intimate with. But whatever. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 01/10/22 3:53:28 PM #397:	Nemu posted... "She would be lacking the essence of male." --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:961637615] in After bott... [t:79841875]...</cite> <quote>Nemu posted... </cite> <quote>"She would be lacking the essence of male."</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Musourenka 01/10/22 4:02:45 PM #398:	If you can't tell, why should it matter? --- Shooing away pigeons crapping on debate tables is not a violation of the pigeons' free speech. <cite>Musourenka posted [p:961637864] in After bott... [t:79841875]...</cite> <quote>If you can't tell, why should it matter? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 01/10/22 4:04:33 PM #399:	Nemu posted... Male biology, simple as that. Are we talking hormones, chromosomes (and given the number of intersex and other issues related makes the concept massively complex), or what? Oh wait, you can't use specifics because that would require knowing the specifics are complicated and saying they're not is fucking hilarious. Is it really that brag worthy to keep pointing out how you only know up to 7th grade science? And outdated science, at that. --- tfw no big tiddy goth vampire gf who lactates blood - viewmaster_pi <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:961637917] in After bott... [t:79841875]...</cite> <quote>Nemu posted... </cite> <quote>Male biology, simple as that.</quote>Are we talking hormones, chromosomes (and given the number of intersex and other issues related makes the concept massively complex), or what? Oh wait, you can't use specifics because that would require knowing the specifics are complicated and saying they're not is fucking hilarious. Is it really that brag worthy to keep pointing out how you only know up to 7th grade science? And outdated science, at that. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UndefeatedGOAT 01/10/22 4:05:53 PM #400:	gunplagirl posted... Are we talking hormones, chromosomes (and given the number of intersex and other issues related makes the concept massively complex), or what? Oh wait, you can't use specifics because that would require knowing the specifics are complicated and saying they're not is fucking hilarious. Is it really that brag worthy to keep pointing out how you only know up to 7th grade science? And outdated science, at that. Those are all copes/reaching <cite>UndefeatedGOAT posted [p:961637950] in After bott... [t:79841875]...</cite> <quote>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote> Are we talking hormones, chromosomes (and given the number of intersex and other issues related makes the concept massively complex), or what? Oh wait, you can't use specifics because that would require knowing the specifics are complicated and saying they're not is fucking hilarious. Is it really that brag worthy to keep pointing out how you only know up to 7th grade science? And outdated science, at that. </quote> Those are all copes/reaching</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 01/10/22 4:14:01 PM #401:	UndefeatedGOAT posted... Those are all copes/reaching Okay then explain how simple sex biology is. --- tfw no big tiddy goth vampire gf who lactates blood - viewmaster_pi <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:961638186] in After bott... [t:79841875]...</cite> <quote>UndefeatedGOAT posted... </cite> <quote>Those are all copes/reaching</quote>Okay then explain how simple sex biology is. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nemu 01/10/22 4:22:04 PM #402:	gunplagirl posted... Are we talking hormones, chromosomes (and given the number of intersex and other issues related makes the concept massively complex), or what? Oh wait, you can't use specifics because that would require knowing the specifics are complicated and saying they're not is fucking hilarious. Is it really that brag worthy to keep pointing out how you only know up to 7th grade science? And outdated science, at that. If the person has or has at any point in their life had a penis will cover like 99% of all cases. <cite>Nemu posted [p:961638429] in After bott... [t:79841875]...</cite> <quote>gunplagirl posted... </cite> <quote>Are we talking hormones, chromosomes (and given the number of intersex and other issues related makes the concept massively complex), or what? Oh wait, you can't use specifics because that would require knowing the specifics are complicated and saying they're not is fucking hilarious. Is it really that brag worthy to keep pointing out how you only know up to 7th grade science? And outdated science, at that.</quote>If the person has or has at any point in their life had a penis will cover like 99% of all cases. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UndefeatedGOAT 01/10/22 4:31:58 PM #403:	gunplagirl posted... Okay then explain how simple sex biology is. Im not really going to play any of those games If your born with a sick I say your a biological male, if you born with female parts Id say your a biological female I think when you bring up very very rare medical conditions to prop up your argument your arguing in bad faith <cite>UndefeatedGOAT posted [p:961638761] in After bott... [t:79841875]...</cite> <quote>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote> Okay then explain how simple sex biology is. </quote> Im not really going to play any of those games If your born with a sick I say your a biological male, if you born with female parts Id say your a biological female I think when you bring up very very rare medical conditions to prop up your argument your arguing in bad faith</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gwynevere 01/10/22 4:33:02 PM #404:	Nemu posted... If the person has or has at any point in their life had a penis will cover like 99% of all cases. The thing about that is that in many cases, you could fuck a post op person and not tell a difference If the knowledge of it is the only issue, then to me it seems if someone is passable in every conceivable way then divulging that info is unnecessary since they're functionally identical to a cis woman --- A hunter is a hunter...even in a dream <cite>Gwynevere posted [p:961638795] in After bott... [t:79841875]...</cite> <quote>Nemu posted... </cite> <quote>If the person has or has at any point in their life had a penis will cover like 99% of all cases.</quote>The thing about that is that in many cases, you could fuck a post op person and not tell a difference If the knowledge of it is the only issue, then to me it seems if someone is passable in every conceivable way then divulging that info is unnecessary since they're functionally identical to a cis woman </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nemu 01/10/22 4:45:44 PM #405:	Gwynevere posted... The thing about that is that in many cases, you could fuck a post op person and not tell a difference If the knowledge of it is the only issue, then to me it seems if someone is passable in every conceivable way then divulging that info is unnecessary since they're functionally identical to a cis woman It doesnt matter how you try to justify it, its still not the same. They still have a biologically male body, or theyre penis-afflicted if you want to use alternate terminology. I dont understand why its so particularly hard to be able to accept that a trans woman is a woman while also understanding that the characteristic of her being trans means there are certain innate characteristics that will influence every part of life, dating and sexual relations especially. The only gray area here is that some people might be comfortable with it but might be dismissing it out of hand because of their preconceived notions. Other people, it simply does not mesh with them and will never mesh with them, and that should be just as acceptable. <cite>Nemu posted [p:961639147] in After bott... [t:79841875]...</cite> <quote>Gwynevere posted... </cite> <quote>The thing about that is that in many cases, you could fuck a post op person and not tell a difference If the knowledge of it is the only issue, then to me it seems if someone is passable in every conceivable way then divulging that info is unnecessary since they're functionally identical to a cis woman</quote>It doesnt matter how you try to justify it, its still not the same. They still have a biologically male body, or theyre penis-afflicted if you want to use alternate terminology. I dont understand why its so particularly hard to be able to accept that a trans woman is a woman while also understanding that the characteristic of her being trans means there are certain innate characteristics that will influence every part of life, dating and sexual relations especially. The only gray area here is that some people might be comfortable with it but might be dismissing it out of hand because of their preconceived notions. Other people, it simply does not mesh with them and will never mesh with them, and that should be just as acceptable. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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