Current Events > religious exemptions from vaccine mandates are such bullshit

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sorry, but your freedom of religion ends where my safety begins.

this would be like someone demanding to be exempt from speed limits because their religion prohibits it. sorry, but no.

agreed.

I'd also like to see any support of that person's religion specifically prohibiting the covid vaccine.

Another religion bashing topic on CE. How original.

i don't necessarily mind the concept, but it can't be subjective. if it's legitimate, then you already have a history of not having a bunch of other vaccinations. and basically zero of them fit that qualification.

at the same time, i think vaccine mandates are probably the wrong approach anyway. what we need are vaccinated mandates. ie, you can choose not to get any vaccine you like. yay, freedom! but good fucking luck ever being able to legally leave your property.

Health posted...

Another religion bashing topic on CE. How original.

i dont care what you believe. you're free to believe whatever you want until your beliefs start affecting me and my safety.

and im not bashing religion. im bashing using religion to put others at risk.

Religion in general is kinda bullshit tbh.

They are mainly only hurting themselves at the moment since the vaccine does little to slow omicron but it does turn it into a glorified cold for the vast majority of the vaccinated.

Giant_Aspirin posted...

start affecting me and my safety.

How many unvaccinated religious people have affected your safety?

bsp77 posted...

They are mainly only hurting themselves at the moment

except when they overwhelm hospitals

Mormons don't even drink coffee or Cheerwine.

Health posted...

Another religion bashing topic on CE. How original.

"Waaah how could someone be so mean about my ridiculous made-up beliefs?"

Health posted...

How many unvaccinated religious people have affected your safety?

too many

Giant_Aspirin posted...

except when they overwhelm hospitals

Have you got some figures to back this up? In other words, of all the people in hospital how many are vaccinated and how many arent? And of those who arent how many refused to get vaccinated because of religious reasons?

Giant_Aspirin posted...

except when they overwhelm hospitals

Good point

Health posted...

Have you got some figures to back this up? In other words, of all the people in hospital how many are vaccinated and how many arent? And of those who arent how many refused to get vaccinated because of religious reasons?

Well over 80% in the hospital are unvaccinated. I don't know how many are from religious reasons, but they are stupid regardless

i want to start a religion, the worship of sonic, and demand religious exemptions from any and all speeding laws because i gotta go fast!

Health posted...

Have you got some figures to back this up? In other words, of all the people in hospital how many are vaccinated and how many arent? And of those who arent how many refused to get vaccinated because of religious reasons?

the post i was replying to was about how unvaccinated people are mostly only hurting themselves, which is untrue because of how their decisions are leading to overwhelmed healthcare systems. i was not asserting that religious exemptions are clogging up hospitals, but the unvaccinated in general.

how would you feel if my religion said i wasnt allowed to follow speed limits, yet i demanded to be allowed to use the same roads as everyone else?

I've lived in my current place for about four years.

The Mormons at their place only started grouping back up recently.

Been like 2 years since I've seen some cars in their parking lot.

Even then it's only minimal.

bsp77 posted...

they are stupid regardless

Anyone who is should be vaccinated but isnt is stupid regardless of their reasons.

But TC specifically made a topic about religious people and claimed they overwhelm hospitals. TC should back this claim up.

Health posted...

Have you got some figures to back this up? In other words, of all the people in hospital how many are vaccinated and how many arent? And of those who arent how many refused to get vaccinated because of religious reasons?

https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/brief/unvaccinated-
covid-patients-cost-the-u-s-health-system-billions-of-dollars/

this is they type of thing you can look up with a simple google search, and i'm not posting it for you random troll account but to remind others here that this shit is easy to search...

Giant_Aspirin posted...

the post i was replying to was about how unvaccinated people are mostly only hurting themselves, which is untrue because of how their decisions are leading to overwhelmed healthcare systems. i was not asserting that religious exemptions are clogging up hospitals, but the unvaccinated in general.

how would you feel if my religion said i wasnt allowed to follow speed limits, yet i demanded to be allowed to use the same roads as everyone else?

You started the topic talking about vaccinations, dont change the subject to speed limits.

Back up your claim people who are unvaccinated for religious reasons are threatening your safety. Give us some unbiased statistics.

Health posted...

Back up your claim people who are unvaccinated for religious reasons are threatening your safety. Give us some unbiased statistics.

already responded to that

Giant_Aspirin posted...

the post i was replying to was about how unvaccinated people are mostly only hurting themselves, which is untrue because of how their decisions are leading to overwhelmed healthcare systems. i was not asserting that religious exemptions are clogging up hospitals, but the unvaccinated in general.

Health posted...

You started the topic talking about vaccinations, dont change the subject to speed limits.

the analogy is the same. im demanding that you allow my religious freedom to put your safety at risk. if you support religions exemptions for vaccines you ought to support them for anything else where the safety of others is the concern

monkmith posted...

https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/brief/unvaccinated-
covid-patients-cost-the-u-s-health-system-billions-of-dollars/

this is they type of thing you can look up with a simple google search, and i'm not posting it for you random troll account but to remind others here that this shit is easy to search...

Please point out the statistics or paragraphs relevant to religious people not getiing vaccinated. After all thats the premise of this topic.

We all know not getting vaccinated is dumb. But TC picked specifically on religious people. So we need to know about their impact on TCs safety.

Giant_Aspirin posted...

the analogy is the same. im demanding that you allow my religious freedom to put your safety at risk. if you support religions exemptions for vaccines you ought to support them for anything else where the safety of others is the concern

Im not demanding religious people be allowed to put anyones safety at risk. Im asking you to prove how many of them are doing so.

You havent provided any evidence at all yet.

https://www.npr.org/2021/12/09/1062655300/survey-religion-vaccine-hesitancy-exemptions

Only 10% of Americans believe that getting a COVID-19 vaccine conflicts with their religious beliefs, and 59% of Americans say too many people are using religious beliefs as an excuse not to get vaccinated

Apparently 1 in 10 people are using religion as an excuse to not get the vaccine. That seems a bit high to me.

Health posted...

Another religion bashing topic on CE. How original.

Oh the poor hard done by religious people, wont someone think of the religious people

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You lying hound. Prove where I said Im anti-vaccine.

Ive had both jabs and a booster.

My issue is that TC started a topic specifically about unvaccinated religious people putting their safety at risk. In fact all unvaccinated people have the potential to do so, not just religious people.

In my opinion anyone who is capable of getting the vaccine and refuses shouldnt be allowed to leave their house. Why just bash religious people?

(Also, Im not religious either.)

Religious exemptions should not be allowed for medical issues. Any religion that supports antivaxxers should be ignored.

Health posted...

Im not demanding religious people be allowed to put anyones safety at risk.

you're demanding that religious people be granted an exemption from vaccine mandates which puts others at risk.

Health posted...

Im asking you to prove how many of them are doing so.

the # that are doing this does not matter whatsoever with respect to the principle of the argument here. even one exemption for religious reasons is one too many, IMO.

for the third time, would you support me exempting myself from speed limits, which puts everyone around me at risk, because my religion says so?

Giant_Aspirin posted...

you're demanding that religious people be granted an exemption from vaccine mandates which puts others at risk.

Prove it or apologise.

Health posted...

My issue is that TC started a topic specifically about unvaccinated religious people putting their safety at risk. In fact all unvaccinated people have the potential to do so, not just religious people.

correct that all unvaccinated people are putting others at risk. i never asserted that this is specific to religious folks.

my issue is folks using their religion as a justification for putting the safety of others at risk. unvaccinated people put others at higher risk than vaccinated people. the end.

edit: sorry, my issue is governments, etc allowing exemptions for these people.

Health posted...

Prove it or apologise.

then what are you rambling about? what part about my original point are you disagreeing with?

Giant_Aspirin posted...

correct that all unvaccinated people are putting others at risk. i never asserted that this is specific to religious folks.

my issue is folks using their religion as a justification for putting the safety of others at risk. unvaccinated people put others at higher risk than vaccinated people. the end.

Seems to be an odd topic for Health to flex on really...

Hes probably religious himself for some reason and took offence

Giant_Aspirin posted...

then what are you rambling about?

You started a topic to bash unvaccinated religious people for putting your safety at risk.

If religious people were the only unvaccinated people around I would wholeheartedly agree with you.

However, they are a subset of all the people who refuse to get a vaccine.

All the anti-vaxxers are assholes (Im referring specifically to people who can get a vaccine but refuse).

You however decided to shit on only religious people. Hence the reason I said you were bashing religion.

What needs to be shit on is the mindset, religious or otherwise, of refusing to get a vaccine when a person is capable of getting one.

Religion is a plague

Health posted...

You started a topic to bash unvaccinated religious people for putting your safety at risk.

wrong. this is about allowing exemptions from vaccines on religious grounds. governments should not support exemptions for any reasons outside of medical.

for the record, i have no problem with religion. if those beliefs make someone happy, that's their business and none of mine. but, again, your freedom to believe what you want ends where the safety of others begins

Health posted...

You started a topic to bash unvaccinated religious people for putting your safety at risk.

If religious people were the only unvaccinated people around I would wholeheartedly agree with you.

However, they are a subset of all the people who refuse to get a vaccine.

All the anti-vaxxers are assholes (Im referring specifically to people who can get a vaccine but refuse).

You however decided to shit on only religious people. Hence the reason I said you were bashing religion.

What needs to be shit on is the mindset, religious or otherwise, of refusing to get a vaccine when a person is capable of getting one.

You apparently did not read the topic properly. He never said religion is the cause of unvaccinated people. He said that using religious exemptions to be unvaccinated is bullshit. That is completely different especially because it is known that people will use religious exemption even when they don't really mean it to get away with something.

This is not anti religion at all. This is where you should apologize because you obviously fucked up and took it the wrong way

Health posted...

You lying hound. Prove where I said Im anti-vaccine.

Ive had both jabs and a booster.

My issue is that TC started a topic specifically about unvaccinated religious people putting their safety at risk. In fact all unvaccinated people have the potential to do so, not just religious people.

In my opinion anyone who is capable of getting the vaccine and refuses shouldnt be allowed to leave their house. Why just bash religious people?

(Also, Im not religious either.)

All this flexing on how you don't actually have a horse in this race just makes it harder to believe that you're posting in good faith. While is fine I suppose, since I never believed you were posting in good faith to begin with.

My religious beliefs require me to fart in a stranger's face 3 times a day. Sorry, I don't make the rules.

I missed the part of the Bible that says you can't get the rona vaccine, but every other vaccine is fine.

"religious" is used as a catch-all for "belief." Every major religion has endorsed the vaccine, if you wanna do what the pope says, get the shot.

I've seen the religious exemption forms our hospital uses, they're basically hilarious ways to catch someone in an inconsistent lie. You have to answer very consistently on it or you'll basically be accused of just lying to not get the vaccine (which, let's be honest, is probably 95% of "religious" exemptions). Once you "fail" the test, you get the shot or get fired.

I mean we literally have an amendment in our constitution that says the Government cant single out specific Religions so I dont know what you expect anyone to do about it outside amending our legal system.

Honest question here, is there anything in the bibles that actually says you don't need something like a vaccine?

Nah I see where they're coming from and understand it. I still think it's dumb, but I understand it

hockeybub89 posted...

My religious beliefs require me to fart in a stranger's face 3 times a day. Sorry, I don't make the rules.

Where do I sign up

Underpants posted...

Honest question here, is there anything in the bibles that actually says you don't need something like a vaccine?

Hardcore Christians think the vaccine is the mark of the beast predicted in the Book of Revelation.

Mark of the beast, 666 was actually 616 in the original Greek version of the New Testament (Papyrus 115).

The Roman Numeral for 616 DCXVI
Which can be rearranged to CXVID
Replace X with O you have COVID

It's a stretch, yes.

But some of the weirder ones I've read, Christians believe the mRNA alters the human DNA into something "not human" so that the disembodied spirits of the Nephilim can inhabit and possess us

All who take the mark have devoted their loyalty to the Antichrist and lose their salvation and will be condemned to Hell for eternity

(some people actually believe the Bs I just spewed no shit, lmao)

PrettyBoyFloyd posted...

Mormons don't even drink coffee or Cheerwine.

they do drink dr pepper. it's the only allowed drink.