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What were they smoking when they came up with that?

Remember how in Super Mario 64 Mario used to call Bowser gay

Mario 64 pushed the envelope in a lot of ways. Remember how koopas, a common enemy in previous games, were rare and the shell became a surfboard for Mario to ride on?

He had seven flying ships before that.

I have the Mario 64 ? cube Lego set. It's very cool. Be jelly :P

Here's a review by a former Lego designer who designed 17 sets:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbM7xHboRNI

Dope.

guarantee they were just throwing shit at the wall and had some sub asset one of the devs made. there's nearly no artistic cohesion in mario 64 levels, and i frankly think the game aged like shit beyond mario's genuinely good, intuitive movement.

So long gay bowser

Verdekal posted...

He had seven flying ships before that.

I can excuse the flying pirate ships but I draw the line at a submarine.

iPhone_7 posted...

I can excuse the flying pirate ships but I draw the line at a submarine.

Im not saying its bad.

Infinite 2003 posted...

Remember how in Super Mario 64 Mario used to call Bowser gay

It was a different time

Alteres posted...

It was a different time

lmao I was just listening to NorthernLion talk about this on Youtube.

Kinda sad they didn't do anything with the submarine. I always copied a file when I got to that stage because the sub never comes back after you've completed it.

A Giant lizard/turtle monster vs a tiny Italian Plumber...but the submarine was too unbelievable for you?

VipaGTS posted...

A Giant lizard/turtle monster vs a tiny Italian Plumber...but the submarine was too unbelievable for you?

That's the brilliance of Mario. They created a setting in which a plumber against a tyrant turtle monster was a logical extension of the world they had created. In Mario Bros., Mario battled creepy-crawlies in the sewers consisting of turtles, crabs, and fighter flies. In Super Mario Bros., the turtles had an entire army led by a monster turtle king.

The submarine doesn't quite feel like a natural extension of anything introduced up until that point. It is still a neat visual though.

viewmaster_pi posted...

guarantee they were just throwing shit at the wall and had some sub asset one of the devs made. there's nearly no artistic cohesion in mario 64 levels, and i frankly think the game aged like shit beyond mario's genuinely good, intuitive movement.

Tbh that's kinda why I like SM64, it all feels really dream-y

For some reason, the most memorable level for me was Wet Dry World. Such a strange atmosphere with janky level mechanics

Didn't he have a flying train?

Would it be too lame to suggest Bowser himself didn't actually use it, it just had his branding on it and it was for koopa minions to assist the other water enemies with underwater missions or whatever?

Maeiv posted...

For some reason, the most memorable level for me was Wet Dry World. Such a strange atmosphere with janky level mechanics

My favourite level! Iconic.

viewmaster_pi posted...

guarantee they were just throwing shit at the wall and had some sub asset one of the devs made. there's nearly no artistic cohesion in mario 64 levels, and i frankly think the game aged like shit beyond mario's genuinely good, intuitive movement.

nah, i think it's more like a game of telephone. that's really what levels from these days come off as. someone wrote the ideas for the levels, probably with some vague plot, but it was all scraped aside once it got to the level designers, and the artists, and so on and so on. everyone adding and removing and combining things in order to get things more orderly.

it's more likely that they combined ideas into one, where a 'sub level' meant more at first but they decided to rope together ideas because it made for a more cohesive game path.