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saspa
01/09/22 12:02:12 PM
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SSJGrimReaper
01/09/22 12:05:25 PM
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got em

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Rharyx211
01/09/22 12:08:40 PM
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Where the zombies

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phat32
01/09/22 12:09:23 PM
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SSJGrimReaper posted...
got em

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Solution_45
01/09/22 12:10:28 PM
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i'll like to see a proof of concept before my purchase please
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FortuneCookie
01/09/22 1:00:09 PM
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It's stupid, but there's a reason that characters are written that way. Audiences are predisposed to assume a character is White unless otherwise stated. At the same time, it's considered impolite to volunteer information regarding character race unless it's relevant to the story.

This presents a problem because there's really no winning option:

  • Option 1) you're racist / potentially racist if you say that Dave is Black because his race is not relevant to the story
  • Option 2) you're racist / potentially racist for mentioning Dave's lips, nose, and hair because you're calling attention to and exploiting his natural features
  • Option 3) you're racist / potentially racist because your story lacked diversity. you told us in the movie adaptation's press release that Dave "was always Black" but it feels like something made up after-the-fact because you never told us until now
It's a blind spot which comes from incompatible standards of what can or should be done.
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Turtlebread
01/09/22 1:04:47 PM
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FortuneCookie posted...
Audiences are predisposed to assume a character is White unless otherwise stated.

I always assume they're asian because I am asian

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Trumble
01/09/22 1:05:24 PM
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FortuneCookie posted...
Audiences are predisposed to assume a character is White unless otherwise stated.
Audiences are, generally, predisposed to assume a character is the same color as themself unless otherwise stated (or implied by context).

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DrizztLink
01/09/22 1:06:26 PM
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I usually assume any character is FortuneCookie unless otherwise stated.

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saspa
01/10/22 9:06:48 AM
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SSJGrimReaper posted...
got em

almost got em

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saspa
01/11/22 9:14:10 AM
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FortuneCookie posted...
It's stupid, but there's a reason that characters are written that way. Audiences are predisposed to assume a character is White unless otherwise stated. At the same time, it's considered impolite to volunteer information regarding character race unless it's relevant to the story.

This presents a problem because there's really no winning option:

* Option 1) you're racist / potentially racist if you say that Dave is Black because his race is not relevant to the story
* Option 2) you're racist / potentially racist for mentioning Dave's lips, nose, and hair because you're calling attention to and exploiting his natural features
* Option 3) you're racist / potentially racist because your story lacked diversity. you told us in the movie adaptation's press release that Dave "was always Black" but it feels like something made up after-the-fact because you never told us until now
It's a blind spot which comes from incompatible standards of what can or should be done.

Agreed. All joking aside, it's really the difference between an author being disingenuous about how they're describing a character and one who's just trying to illustrate to the readers the nature of the character.

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IShall_Run_Amok
01/11/22 9:46:45 AM
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Haha mayonnaise. That's perfect.

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Zanzenburger
01/11/22 9:57:38 AM
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FortuneCookie posted...
It's stupid, but there's a reason that characters are written that way. Audiences are predisposed to assume a character is White unless otherwise stated. At the same time, it's considered impolite to volunteer information regarding character race unless it's relevant to the story.

This presents a problem because there's really no winning option:

* Option 1) you're racist / potentially racist if you say that Dave is Black because his race is not relevant to the story
* Option 2) you're racist / potentially racist for mentioning Dave's lips, nose, and hair because you're calling attention to and exploiting his natural features
* Option 3) you're racist / potentially racist because your story lacked diversity. you told us in the movie adaptation's press release that Dave "was always Black" but it feels like something made up after-the-fact because you never told us until now
It's a blind spot which comes from incompatible standards of what can or should be done.
This is true. I've had this issue in every novel I've written.

You either describe the minority character's details to accentuate their race/ethnicity, give them a stereotypical name to let the readers assume their race/ethnicity, or not mention it at all and just let readers make whatever assumptions they want.

I've found one working strategy to be to just describe them regardless of their race, meaning describing the "White" features of the White characters just as in the minority characters (obviously not in the exaggerated way of the OP). Then everyone gets treated the same.

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Zanzenburger
01/11/22 9:58:14 AM
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Though I will add that as hilarious as the OP is, it does paint a pretty clear picture of the scene... <_<

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saspa
01/12/22 11:28:29 PM
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Zanzenburger posted...
I've found one working strategy to be to just describe them regardless of their race, meaning describing the "White" features of the White characters just as in the minority characters (obviously not in the exaggerated way of the OP). Then everyone gets treated the same.

But then you leave it up to the reader to imply the person's race and you flip the tables on them if they imply to be racist

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