Current Events > Arguing with a hypocritical Christian you know....

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well when they try to act holier than thou and act as if you should repent and change your ways, even if you aren't a real bad person, when you know their own flawed past and can easily shut down some of their argument by simply mentioning it is sad. Some of it being worse than things I've said and done. I'm just left speechless sometimes at the lack of self awareness and how they are like "I asked God for forgiveness.", and I'm like "Do you think that absolves you of responsibility?". I'm not even a atheist either, I just get sick and tired of some Christians I know thinking I'm a ungodly man because I refuse to go to church weekly and take part in their farce of a community.

Just tell them their priests molest children

MICHALECOLE posted...

Just tell them their priests molest children

That's mainly the stigma surrounding Catholic Priests. Christian Priests have done it to, but of course the world at large mainly slanders Catholics for it.

Eh, theyre the same shit. They all believe in the same magic alien.

either way, fucking children is bad

Number090684 posted...

well when they try to act holier than thou and act as if you should repent and change your ways, even if you aren't a real bad person, when you know their own flawed past and can easily shut down some of their argument by simply mentioning it is sad. Some of it being worse than things I've said and done. I'm just left speechless sometimes at the lack of self awareness and how they are like "I asked God for forgiveness.", and I'm like "Do you think that absolves you of responsibility?". I'm not even a atheist either, I just get sick and tired of some Christians I know thinking I'm a ungodly man because I refuse to go to church weekly and take part in their farce of a community.

You feel you're not a real bad person? If so, who's your moral authority?

Marauder64 posted...

You feel you're not a real bad person? If so, who's your moral authority?

My brain

Marauder64 posted...

You feel you're not a real bad person? If so, who's your moral authority?

Seriously. My knowledge, my moral compass, and the Law apparently considering I've never been arrested for anything. And the fact that I am not out to actively screw people over in any way.

Yeah, meeting hypocritical Christians that were super preachy and while acting like they have a high moral compass was very common when I grew up in the South. The whole point of asking God for forgiveness is the promise of abstaining from doing the sin again, not that you can keep doing the same sin over and over again. I point this out so many times (when I was younger and a Christian) and got a lot of flack for it lol.

Number090684 posted...

That's mainly the stigma surrounding Catholic priests. Christian priests have done it to, but of course the world at large mainly slanders Catholics for it.

you phrase that like catholics aren't christians e_e

BeesKnees posted...

you phrase that like catholics aren't christians e_e

They are considered different religions due to different practices after all....

Number090684 posted...

Seriously. My knowledge, my moral compass, and the Law apparently considering I've never been arrested for anything. And the fact that I am not out to actively screw people over in any way.

Ah, so basically doing what is right in ones own eyes. Gotcha.

Also,

Prestoff posted...

Yeah, meeting hypocritical Christians that were super preachy and while acting like they have a high moral compass was very common when I grew up in the South. The whole point of asking God for forgiveness is the promise of abstaining from doing the sin again, not that you can keep doing the same sin over and over again. I point this out so many times (when I was younger and a Christian) and got a lot of flack for it lol.

Yea, "promising" to not do the same sin again probably isn't a good practice, seeing as we all inherently have a sinful nature....

Is TC honestly this obnoxious and whiny in real life? I didn't know CE was blogfaqs.

Its a lot like arguing with a vegan.

Marauder64 posted...

Ah, so basically doing what is right in ones own eyes. Gotcha.

Also,

Yea, "promising" to not do the same sin again probably isn't a good practice, seeing as we all inherently have a sinful nature....

I was taught that God reads the heart. Saying that you can sin over and over again, like getting a free pass, to me breaks the whole purpose of reconciliation.

Theres nothing inherently virtuous about being godly in the first place, so I really think a change of thinking on your part is probably necessary to overcome this conflict with your more devout friends.

How is it hypocritical if they repented and changed their ways and are merely asking you to do the same?

All you're doing is saying it doesn't change their past, which...they weren't even claiming it did?

Number090684 posted...

I just get sick and tired of some Christians I know thinking I'm a ungodly man because I refuse to go to church weekly and take part in their farce of a community.

Ah. I enjoy church, but different churches are...well different.
So maybe that one sucks *shrugs *

The_Critic posted...

Its a lot like arguing with a vegan.

Really? I've never met any vegans that were really disagreeable to be around.

Prestoff posted...

I was taught that God reads the heart. Saying that you can sin over and over again, like getting a free pass, to me breaks the whole purpose of reconciliation.

Indeed, he does. Yea, repentance sounds to me like a conscious effort to try and not do the same sin again. I think the "effort" is the key, as one can still fail.

Number090684 posted...

That's mainly the stigma surrounding Catholic priests. Christian priests have done it to, but of course the world at large mainly slanders Catholics for it.

For most protestant Christian sects, they're Pastors and don't get the same kind of stigma because they're allowed to be married.

AloneIBreak posted...

Theres nothing inherently virtuous about being godly in the first place, so I really think a change of thinking on your part is probably necessary to overcome this conflict with your more devout friends.

Wait, them looking down upon me because I don't live as they do in some ways is a issue with me?

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I try not to, but let's just say I can't avoid this one.

Number090684 posted...

They are considered different religions due to different practices after all....

no they are not wtf? catholicism is literally the biggest christian denomination. tf are you talking about?

Protestants pretending Catholics aren't Christians is one of the most baffling things. I've never heard it outside an American context, so I assume it's some bullshit of the religious puritanicalism there.

BeesKnees posted...

no they are not wtf? catholicism is literally the biggest christian denomination. tf are you talking about?

Different beliefs. Kinda like Pharisees and Saducees of days past. One sect believes one thing or set of things, the other, another.

DeadBankerDream posted...

Protestants pretending Catholics are Christians is one of the most baffling things. I've never heard it outside an American context, so I assume it's some bullshit of the religious puritanicalism there.

but Catholics are Christians

its like that all squares are rectangles but not all rectangles are squares

armandro posted...

but Catholics are Christians

its like that all squares are rectangles but not all rectangles are squares

How dare you not take into consideration my typo that I corrected before you posted but no doubt not before you started writing.

oh sorry yeah that makes even more sense

yeah i don't get how people can say they aren't it is pretty strange

BeesKnees posted...

no they are not wtf? catholicism is literally the biggest christian denomination. tf are you talking about?

Sorry, I was wrong. I just thought the considerable differences in practices made them mostly separate.

DeadBankerDream posted...

Protestants pretending Catholics aren't Christians is one of the most baffling things. I've never heard it outside an American context, so I assume it's some bullshit of the religious puritanicalism there.

This is why I was confused.

Marauder64 posted...

sin

Marauder64 posted...

sinful

you're already losing the argument if you come in assuming the person you are arguing with believes in such things.

As someone who grew up Southern Baptist and was taught that Catholics and Mormons aren't Christians, I can conclude a lot of it is because the Protestant movement was all about breaking apart from the Roman Vatican Church. We were taught that Catholics did heretical things that goes against the bible like worship statues, the Pope, and Mary. Hence why they "changed" the second commandment. As an atheist now, Catholics are Christians by definition.

Number090684 posted...

Really? I've never met any vegans that were really disagreeable to be around.

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Jx1010 posted...

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I'll admit I haven't been around many

Prestoff posted...

As someone who grew up Southern Baptist and was taught that Catholics and Mormons aren't Christians, I can conclude a lot of it is because the Protestant movement was all about breaking apart from the Roman Vatican Church. We were taught that Catholics did heretical things that goes against the bible like worship statues, the Pope, and Mary. Hence why they "changed" the second commandment. As an atheist now, Catholics are Christians by definition.

I went to a pro-life rally last Saturday

and u had people yelling stuff like
"The Pope won't save you!!"

and i was like yeah thats true i agree

"Those images won't save you"
again another true statement

a lot of people don't really know what we believe in.

Marauder64 posted...

Indeed, he does. Yea, repentance sounds to me like a conscious effort to try and not do the same sin again. I think the "effort" is the key, as one can still fail.

He can read the heart of the person he created to have an evil heart

Number090684 posted...

I'll admit I haven't been around many

I went out with a vegan chick that flipped out cause I had chicken wings one time

The_Critic posted...

Its a lot like arguing with a vegan.

Can you explain what you mean?

The_Critic posted...

Its a lot like arguing with a vegan.

This is hilarious seeing as omnivores tend to be the ones who adopt a cult-like mentality toward their diet and shame people for making the individual choice to forego meat.

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So it wasnt cause of the chicken wings? U sound like a vegan

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Ehhhh nah man lol. Jx is absolutely an issue for other reasons, but I'd never in a million years expect someone I was on a date with to forego meat.

Marauder64 posted...

You feel you're not a real bad person? If so, who's your moral authority?

People 2000 years ago may've needed sky daddy to tell them right from wrong. We have the benefit of access to thousands of years of history our moral authority is the lived experience of billions before us

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I mean, regardless lol. I wouldn't care or expect them to change their behavior.

All catholics are christians but not all christians are catholic.