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Mr_Karate_II
01/25/22 7:38:02 PM
#51:


mustachedmystic posted...
I think we all understand their anger, and if they found him raping their brother, and then killed him, they might have had a argument for self defense, but you cannot beat someone to death merely because you suspect them of doing something heinous.
He has a warrant for abusing a minor...it wasn't suspected

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Slayer_22
01/25/22 7:40:44 PM
#52:


Doesn't surprise me Cyric is here, arguing against a child predator's death. It happens every time.

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mustachedmystic
01/25/22 7:41:37 PM
#53:


Mr_Karate_II posted...
He has a warrant for abusing a minor...it wasn't suspected
That's not proof that he did it. And even if they did know for a fact, it wouldn't be justification for killing him.

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Sphyx
01/25/22 7:41:42 PM
#54:


Mr_Karate_II posted...
He has a warrant for abusing a minor...it wasn't suspected
"GO GO GADGET LOGIC!"

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Rayman2943
01/25/22 7:41:55 PM
#55:


Slayer_22 posted...
Doesn't surprise me Cyric is here.
Cyric is usually very wrong in another topic he talks about but correct here.
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Slayer_22
01/25/22 7:43:47 PM
#56:


Rayman2943 posted...

Cyric is usually very wrong in another topic he talks about but correct here.

No, he's really not.

He's just throwing out snide remarks and repeating the same sentence.

"Murder is murder".

Okay, if someone murders Hitler, it's still murder, what of it? Lol.

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JuanCarlos1
01/25/22 7:44:36 PM
#57:


Rayman2943 posted...
Cyric is usually very wrong in another topic he talks about but correct here.

He's taking the logical, lawful route...not something a normal human being would be able to do at a moment like that.

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Rayman2943
01/25/22 7:44:39 PM
#58:


Slayer_22 posted...
No, he's really not.

He's just throwing out snide remarks and repeating the same sentence.

"Murder is murder".

Okay, if someone murders Hitler, it's still murder, what of it? Lol.
The dude had a warrant for his arrest. If found guilty he would have been put away jfc the legal system isn't going to let these 3 off.
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Rayman2943
01/25/22 7:45:52 PM
#59:


JuanCarlos1 posted...
He's taking the logical, lawful route...not something a normal human being would be able to do at a moment like that.
And if we all decided to resort to vigilante justice society would fall apart. You do realize there was a topic with hundreds of posts here praising a father for killing a dude who allegedly raped his daughter...

And that turned out to be a lie right?
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RchHomieQuanChi
01/25/22 7:46:04 PM
#60:


Rayman2943 posted...
The dude had a warrant for his arrest. If found guilty he would have been put away jfc the legal system isn't going to let these 3 off.

To be fair, you're putting too much faith into the justice system of Texas of all places.

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Sphyx
01/25/22 7:49:06 PM
#61:


Slayer_22 posted...
Doesn't surprise me Cyric is here, arguing against a child predator's death. It happens every time.
And here YOU are, pulling the same obvious strawman you were so keen on in that other topic you embarrassed yourself in.

How did that other "hero" work out for you?

On that note, what is it with you and medals? What are you, the German High Command?

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fire_bolt
01/25/22 7:50:25 PM
#62:


Lengthy supervised probation just to keep an eye on them, sentence dropped off their record if they keep their nose clean the entire time

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Slayer_22
01/25/22 7:51:22 PM
#63:


Sphyx posted...

And here YOU are, pulling the same obvious strawman you were so keen on in that other topic you embarrassed yourself in.

How did that other "hero" work out for you?

On that note, what is it with you and medals? What are you, the German High Command?

...why are you bringing German into this? Wtf? What does being German have to do with anything?

RchHomieQuanChi posted...


To be fair, you're putting too much faith into the justice system of Texas of all places.

Pretty much lol. The justice system is flawed.

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Mr_Karate_II
01/25/22 7:54:28 PM
#64:


mustachedmystic posted...
That's not proof that he did it. And even if they did know for a fact, it wouldn't be justification for killing him.
They were justified in killing him.

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Slayer_22
01/25/22 7:55:20 PM
#65:


Mr_Karate_II posted...

They were justified in killing him.

"Even if he did abuse kids, it wasn't justification for killing him!"

Lol what the fuck?

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Mr_Karate_II
01/25/22 7:57:17 PM
#66:


Hopefully the jury sees it was justified and they see no prison time.

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Fony
01/25/22 8:00:11 PM
#67:


Mr_Karate_II posted...
He has a warrant for abusing a minor...it wasn't suspected

You're on CE. He could get caught on video and have it streamed to the web, they'll still defend his actions or suggest ANY consequence is too harsh.

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onedarksoul
01/25/22 8:00:11 PM
#68:


Just a bad situation all around. They have to do some time for killing him, but hopefully the judge is lenient.
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_HayleyWilliams
01/25/22 8:01:33 PM
#69:


Fony posted...
You're on CE. He could get caught on video and have it streamed to the web, they'll still defend his actions or suggest ANY consequence is too harsh.
Name 1 person on this board who thinks people who commit horrific crimes should receive zero consequences

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Slayer_22
01/25/22 8:03:50 PM
#70:


_HayleyWilliams posted...

Name 1 person on this board who thinks people who commit horrific crimes should receive zero consequences

There are a few, but I think they're banned or suspended atm.

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MabusIncarnate
01/25/22 8:04:16 PM
#71:


Slayer_22 posted...
No, he's really not.

He's just throwing out snide remarks and repeating the same sentence.

"Murder is murder".

Okay, if someone murders Hitler, it's still murder, what of it? Lol.
Guy that killed Bin Laden should have served 30 years tbh

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Sphyx
01/25/22 8:04:17 PM
#72:


Slayer_22 posted...
...why are you bringing German into this? Wtf? What does being German have to do with anything?
It's a reference to the iron cross being given out like cheap candy.

But on the subject of bringing up Germany:

Slayer_22 posted...
He's just throwing out snide remarks and repeating the same sentence.

"Murder is murder".

Okay, if someone murders Hitler, it's still murder, what of it? Lol.
It's extra cute you don't realise this post is a massive own-goal, by the way.

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DrizztLink
01/25/22 8:05:25 PM
#73:


Slayer_22 posted...
Okay, if someone murders Hitler, it's still murder, what of it? Lol.
I think that would be considered an assassination.

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_HayleyWilliams
01/25/22 8:05:38 PM
#74:


Slayer_22 posted...
There are a few, but I think they're banned or suspended atm.
Uh huh

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Iodine
01/25/22 8:10:20 PM
#76:


TMOG posted...
Fair, next


GiftedACIII posted...
Give em some therapy sessions and a couple months community service that gets added to credit for college


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Slayer_22
01/25/22 8:15:08 PM
#77:


Sphyx posted...

It's a reference to the iron cross being given out like cheap candy.

But on the subject of bringing up Germany:

It's extra cute you don't realise this post is a massive own-goal, by the way.

No, it's not. Unless you twist what I'm saying, which you undoubtedly do.

And I make the medal joke because it's a joke, the fact that you took it as an opportunity to compare to Germany for no real reason is weird af. How are you always so unpleasant to talk to? Is that a personal go of yours?

DrizztLink posted...

I think that would be considered an assassination.

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_HayleyWilliams posted...

Uh huh

There was a topic like last week where a guy said the AoC should be lowered down to 10 and was defending a rape.

I'm not even arguing against you, I'm just saying there are people that do that. CE has some scummy people.

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eston
01/25/22 8:22:47 PM
#78:


I'm generally against vigilante justice

And this story is no different. Had they caught him in the act it would be justified, but they chased him down and beat him to death on the word of a 9-year-old. No investigation, no evidence. Whether or not the man was guilty, these three guys need to be in prison

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JuanCarlos1
01/25/22 8:24:21 PM
#79:


Rayman2943 posted...
And if we all decided to resort to vigilante justice society would fall apart. You do realize there was a topic with hundreds of posts here praising a father for killing a dude who allegedly raped his daughter...

And that turned out to be a lie right?


There are crimes..and there are crimes. Vigilantism for acting pedophiles is something I can live with. Forget morals and conscience. You gotta do right evil thing every once in a while for a better world.


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Sphyx
01/25/22 8:32:42 PM
#80:


Slayer_22 posted...
you took it as an opportunity to compare to Germany for no real reason

Sphyx posted...
It's a reference to the iron cross being given out like cheap candy.

Slayer_22 posted...
Okay, if someone murders Hitler


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CyricZ
01/25/22 8:37:17 PM
#81:


RchHomieQuanChi posted...
To be fair, you're putting too much faith into the justice system of Texas of all places.
I feel this is a different argument. Regardless of the quality of the justice system, we still ideally need a system.

Mr_Karate_II posted...
They were justified in killing him.
Why?

Fony posted...
You're on CE. He could get caught on video and have it streamed to the web, they'll still defend his actions or suggest ANY consequence is too harsh.
This is an appeal to the opposite extreme. Saying that killing the man wasn't justified is not the same as "no consequence" and it's an abject failure of one's judgment to suggest that.

JuanCarlos1 posted...
Forget morals and conscience.
Anyone who can justify this tactic will find themselves coming back to it.

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Umbreon
01/25/22 8:54:57 PM
#82:


If their story is true, then their actions are justified. Maybe not legal, but justified.

As for 'Let the courts decide'... Have you seen how this country treats rape (Especially in a state like Texas)?

Way too many people get kid gloves for rape, because we live in a country where Republican politicians wouldn't let a 9 year old get an abortion if she got impregnated because they think the fetus is a 'Gift from God'.

I cannot blame the brothers for what they did. If I had a little sister and someone did something horrible to her, I couldn't stand it either.

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RchHomieQuanChi
01/25/22 8:55:01 PM
#83:


CyricZ posted...
I feel this is a different argument. Regardless of the quality of the justice system, we still ideally need a system.

I agree. But it's not really relevant because so long as our justice system is the way that it is, people will continue to have little faith in it and seek out justice in their own way.

We could say that this guy would face the consequences otherwise, but we've also seen sexual abuse allegations, particularly in red states like Texas, get thrown out all the time.

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CyricZ
01/25/22 9:06:42 PM
#84:


Umbreon posted...
As for 'Let the courts decide'... Have you seen how this country treats rape (Especially in a state like Texas)?

RchHomieQuanChi posted...
We could say that this guy would face the consequences otherwise, but we've also seen sexual abuse allegations, particularly in red states like Texas, get thrown out all the time.

Still doesn't make vigilante justice the answer, because it has failed and will continue to fail.

We need to be better, including better than corrupt systems.

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Umbreon
01/25/22 9:13:29 PM
#85:


Vigilante justice largely exists because the system fails constantly. If we didn't have a corrupt system, few people would feel compelled to go that step.

In a ideal world, criminals would be appropriately punished every time. No one would have to take things into their own hands because they would take comfort in knowing justice would always come to wrongdoers.

But we don't live in that world. I'm not saying people should go out and 'take matters into their own hands', but I get their motive for doing so in this case.

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MrMallard
01/25/22 9:19:07 PM
#86:


I've been on the wrong side of stuff like this before, and I'll admit when I'm wrong. But again, my hatred for sex offenders knows no bounds, and if I read about one being killed I'm not going to be upset on behalf of the sex offender.

In this case, the person who was killed had a warrant out for a previous molestation/rape of a child. He was beaten and killed by his own stepchildren. I don't think that happens when you have a step-parent who might otherwise have redeeming qualities or enough of a positive personality to sow doubt. That's speculation on my part, but I don't think this would have been outright murder if this guy had any sort of airs to him that put the "child molester" angle in doubt - especially to what is essentially his family.

I was on the wrong side during the case where a guy killed a person who he thought sold his daughter into sex trafficking. I'll cop to that, and if I'm wrong about this I'll cop to this too. But ultimately, this is where I stand on this case at the moment:

The only good child rapist is a dead child rapist. And as far as I am see, the deceased raped a 9 year old girl. Fuck him.

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RchHomieQuanChi
01/25/22 9:20:33 PM
#87:


CyricZ posted...
Still doesn't make vigilante justice the answer, because it has failed and will continue to fail.

There have been plenty of times where vigilante justice has at least forced us to re-evaluate and make changes to our justice system.

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CyricZ
01/25/22 9:36:44 PM
#88:


Umbreon posted...
Vigilante justice largely exists because the system fails constantly.
I would have you prove this.

RchHomieQuanChi posted...
There have been plenty of times where vigilante justice has at least forced us to re-evaluate and make changes to our justice system.
While I'm not calling this false outright, I would have you provide examples.

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KStateKing17
01/25/22 9:41:09 PM
#89:


If it turns out by chance that the 9 year old is lying about being abused, then I'll take back what I said. I highly doubt she's lying about such a thing.

There's a topic about a judge attempting to give a rapist time in the military though. I have very little respect or trust in the justice system.

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GiftedACIII
01/25/22 9:43:32 PM
#90:


CyricZ posted...


I would have you prove this.

While I'm not calling this false outright, I would have you provide examples.


https://nypost.com/2021/01/16/mexicos-female-vigilantes-take-lead-in-fighting-drug-cartels/,
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/2/6/AAZl1UAAC2Z2.jpg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_McElroy
https://medium.com/@michaelmoran/the-creepiest-small-town-in-america-skidmore-missouri-deb4d0cc1c22

McElroy ... met his last wife, Trena McCloud (19572012), when she was 12 years old and in eighth grade. He statutorily raped McCloud repeatedly, also burning her house down and shooting the family dog before her parents relented and agreed to their marriage. She became pregnant when she was fourteen, dropped out of school in the ninth grade, and went to live with McElroy and his third wife Alice. McElroy divorced Alice and married Trena in order to escape charges of statutory rape, to which she was the only witness. Sixteen days after Trena gave birth, both she and Alice fled to Trena's mother's and stepfather's house. According to court records, McElroy tracked them down and brought them back. He then returned to Trena's parents' home when they were away and, once again, shot the family dog and burned the house down.
In all, he was indicted 21 times but escaped conviction each time, except for the last.In 1981, McElroy was convicted of shooting and seriously injuring the town's 70-year-old grocer, Ernest "Bo" Bowenkamp.] McElroy successfully appealed the conviction and was released on bond, after which he engaged in an ongoing harassment campaign against Bowenkamp and others who were sympathetic to Bowenkamp, including the town's Church of Christ minister


In the 60s and 70s, Ken McElroy was Skidmores boogyman. He was beyond a bully, more of a self-imposed dictator who ran the town of Skidmore like his personal kingdom, literally raping and pillaging for 2 decades.
He held a legal stronghold over anyone who dared to press charges with the aid of his mob-connected lawyer, and intense harrasment campaigns, that included stalking, shootings, killing of pets, and arson. Even the police feared him.
When, after years of abuse a mob of local citizens surrounded McElroy in the center of town and fired a few fatal shots into the white trash terrorist, not one of the more than 50 witnesses would say say who pulled the trigger. To this day, every last citizen has refused to speak, and no one was ever arrested in the vigilante slaying.

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haloiscoolisbak
01/25/22 9:49:18 PM
#91:


It's like the capital punishment argument for me. I'm against it in all circumstances, can't pick and choose exceptions for especially heinous crimes. So the brothers in my eyes still committed a crime. No chance they get let off murder just because we understand their motive more than most

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CyricZ
01/25/22 9:50:36 PM
#92:


GiftedACIII posted...

All things done because of the failure of the justice system, but are any of these proven to have changed their justice system?

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GiftedACIII
01/25/22 10:08:58 PM
#93:


CyricZ posted...
All things done because of the failure of the justice system, but are any of these proven to have changed their justice system?


That was only directed to the first statement. I'm not sure you can empirically prove the second but I think logically it could and probably has.

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Slayer_22
01/25/22 11:31:51 PM
#94:


GiftedACIII posted...


That was only directed to the first statement. I'm not sure you can empirically prove the second but I think logically it could and probably has.

Don't try to argue with Cyric.

If you provide a counter to his question, he will go ahead and call it irrelevant and ask another question that will be difficult to prove, but that one will also be irrelevant.

Trust me, arguing with this dude is fruitless. He won't change his mind and will resort to snide remarks when, eventually, you beat his arguments and just ask you questions and make assumptions because you can't be considered 'correct' in his mind.

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Reverend_Wilson
01/26/22 12:05:52 AM
#95:


hopefully they all get jail time for murder

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FortuneCookie
01/26/22 12:42:53 AM
#96:


Justified.
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Hoodroar
01/26/22 12:59:05 AM
#97:


Understandable but you're not not judge, jury, and executioner. Murder is murder; unless they were stopping him in the actual act of child molestation they don't have a case here.

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Slayer_22
01/26/22 1:01:11 AM
#98:


Hoodroar posted...
Understandable but you're not not judge, jury, and executioner. Murder is murder; unless they were stopping him in the actual act of child molestation they don't have a case here.

Slayer_22 posted...
mURdeR iS MUrDeR

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gaminggamer13
01/26/22 6:00:35 AM
#99:


What this man did to this poor girl, it is completely unjustifiable. Those brothers should be there to support her through this traumatic ordeal, family should always stick together in such horrific circumstances, yet she's going to lose three people she loves just because they felt the need to prove themselves as "oonga boonga big alpha male".

Am I going to shed a tear over this monster's death? Hell no. I do feel for the girl, however, going through all this, now, without the support of her three brothers. They made a choice, just like that awful man did, they made it. Murder is murder, they are not god, people just cannot decide who lives and who dies. The sooner that notion is instilled in people's brains, then other people like this girl, going through something unbelievably distressing, would instead have her family, her siblings, help them through this traumatic period.
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Solution_45
01/26/22 6:11:00 AM
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