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Mr_Karate_II 01/25/22 7:38:02 PM #51: |
mustachedmystic posted... I think we all understand their anger, and if they found him raping their brother, and then killed him, they might have had a argument for self defense, but you cannot beat someone to death merely because you suspect them of doing something heinous.He has a warrant for abusing a minor...it wasn't suspected --- Currently Playing: Dead by Daylight,Friday the 13th and Forza Horizon 5 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Slayer_22 01/25/22 7:40:44 PM #52: |
Doesn't surprise me Cyric is here, arguing against a child predator's death. It happens every time. --- "And no I'm not signing your twitter after this type of attitude so don't ask..." - IIINCORRUPTIBLE ... Copied to Clipboard!
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mustachedmystic 01/25/22 7:41:37 PM #53: |
Mr_Karate_II posted... He has a warrant for abusing a minor...it wasn't suspectedThat's not proof that he did it. And even if they did know for a fact, it wouldn't be justification for killing him. --- Vegy is a 30 year old man, who's pretending to be a 60 year old woman that likes to act like a 57 year old man that pretends to be a horny 16 year old boy. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Sphyx 01/25/22 7:41:42 PM #54: |
Mr_Karate_II posted... He has a warrant for abusing a minor...it wasn't suspected"GO GO GADGET LOGIC!" --- You're so vain, You probably think this sig is about you. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Rayman2943 01/25/22 7:41:55 PM #55: |
Slayer_22 posted... Doesn't surprise me Cyric is here.Cyric is usually very wrong in another topic he talks about but correct here. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Slayer_22 01/25/22 7:43:47 PM #56: |
Rayman2943 posted...
No, he's really not. He's just throwing out snide remarks and repeating the same sentence. "Murder is murder". Okay, if someone murders Hitler, it's still murder, what of it? Lol. --- "And no I'm not signing your twitter after this type of attitude so don't ask..." - IIINCORRUPTIBLE ... Copied to Clipboard!
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JuanCarlos1 01/25/22 7:44:36 PM #57: |
Rayman2943 posted... Cyric is usually very wrong in another topic he talks about but correct here. He's taking the logical, lawful route...not something a normal human being would be able to do at a moment like that. --- Mas dicen, que en las dimensiones de nuestro ser... hay muchos detalles por conocer... ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Rayman2943 01/25/22 7:44:39 PM #58: |
Slayer_22 posted... No, he's really not.The dude had a warrant for his arrest. If found guilty he would have been put away jfc the legal system isn't going to let these 3 off. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Rayman2943 01/25/22 7:45:52 PM #59: |
JuanCarlos1 posted... He's taking the logical, lawful route...not something a normal human being would be able to do at a moment like that.And if we all decided to resort to vigilante justice society would fall apart. You do realize there was a topic with hundreds of posts here praising a father for killing a dude who allegedly raped his daughter... And that turned out to be a lie right? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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RchHomieQuanChi 01/25/22 7:46:04 PM #60: |
Rayman2943 posted... The dude had a warrant for his arrest. If found guilty he would have been put away jfc the legal system isn't going to let these 3 off. To be fair, you're putting too much faith into the justice system of Texas of all places. --- I have nothing else to say ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Sphyx 01/25/22 7:49:06 PM #61: |
Slayer_22 posted... Doesn't surprise me Cyric is here, arguing against a child predator's death. It happens every time.And here YOU are, pulling the same obvious strawman you were so keen on in that other topic you embarrassed yourself in. How did that other "hero" work out for you? On that note, what is it with you and medals? What are you, the German High Command? --- You're so vain, You probably think this sig is about you. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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fire_bolt 01/25/22 7:50:25 PM #62: |
Lengthy supervised probation just to keep an eye on them, sentence dropped off their record if they keep their nose clean the entire time --- Please, call me Bolt ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Slayer_22 01/25/22 7:51:22 PM #63: |
Sphyx posted...
...why are you bringing German into this? Wtf? What does being German have to do with anything? RchHomieQuanChi posted...
Pretty much lol. The justice system is flawed. --- "And no I'm not signing your twitter after this type of attitude so don't ask..." - IIINCORRUPTIBLE ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mr_Karate_II 01/25/22 7:54:28 PM #64: |
mustachedmystic posted... That's not proof that he did it. And even if they did know for a fact, it wouldn't be justification for killing him.They were justified in killing him. --- Currently Playing: Dead by Daylight,Friday the 13th and Forza Horizon 5 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Slayer_22 01/25/22 7:55:20 PM #65: |
Mr_Karate_II posted...
"Even if he did abuse kids, it wasn't justification for killing him!" Lol what the fuck? --- "And no I'm not signing your twitter after this type of attitude so don't ask..." - IIINCORRUPTIBLE ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mr_Karate_II 01/25/22 7:57:17 PM #66: |
Hopefully the jury sees it was justified and they see no prison time. --- Currently Playing: Dead by Daylight,Friday the 13th and Forza Horizon 5 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Fony 01/25/22 8:00:11 PM #67: |
Mr_Karate_II posted... He has a warrant for abusing a minor...it wasn't suspected You're on CE. He could get caught on video and have it streamed to the web, they'll still defend his actions or suggest ANY consequence is too harsh. --- It's not the end of the world, but we can see it from here. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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onedarksoul 01/25/22 8:00:11 PM #68: |
Just a bad situation all around. They have to do some time for killing him, but hopefully the judge is lenient. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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_HayleyWilliams 01/25/22 8:01:33 PM #69: |
Fony posted... You're on CE. He could get caught on video and have it streamed to the web, they'll still defend his actions or suggest ANY consequence is too harsh.Name 1 person on this board who thinks people who commit horrific crimes should receive zero consequences --- hockeybub89 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Slayer_22 01/25/22 8:03:50 PM #70: |
_HayleyWilliams posted...
There are a few, but I think they're banned or suspended atm. --- "And no I'm not signing your twitter after this type of attitude so don't ask..." - IIINCORRUPTIBLE ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MabusIncarnate 01/25/22 8:04:16 PM #71: |
Slayer_22 posted... No, he's really not.Guy that killed Bin Laden should have served 30 years tbh --- I'll remain unperturbed by the joy and the madness that I encounter everywhere I turn Slayer_22 picked waifu - https://ibb.co/WD8p1Kz ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Sphyx 01/25/22 8:04:17 PM #72: |
Slayer_22 posted... ...why are you bringing German into this? Wtf? What does being German have to do with anything?It's a reference to the iron cross being given out like cheap candy. But on the subject of bringing up Germany: Slayer_22 posted... He's just throwing out snide remarks and repeating the same sentence.It's extra cute you don't realise this post is a massive own-goal, by the way. --- You're so vain, You probably think this sig is about you. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DrizztLink 01/25/22 8:05:25 PM #73: |
Slayer_22 posted... Okay, if someone murders Hitler, it's still murder, what of it? Lol.I think that would be considered an assassination. --- http://guidesmedia.ign.com/guides/9846/images/slowpoke.gif https://i.imgur.com/M8h2ATe.png https://i.imgur.com/6ezFwG1.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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_HayleyWilliams 01/25/22 8:05:38 PM #74: |
Slayer_22 posted... There are a few, but I think they're banned or suspended atm.Uh huh --- hockeybub89 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Iodine 01/25/22 8:10:20 PM #76: |
TMOG posted... Fair, next GiftedACIII posted... Give em some therapy sessions and a couple months community service that gets added to credit for college --- In Belichick we Trust ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Slayer_22 01/25/22 8:15:08 PM #77: |
Sphyx posted...
No, it's not. Unless you twist what I'm saying, which you undoubtedly do. And I make the medal joke because it's a joke, the fact that you took it as an opportunity to compare to Germany for no real reason is weird af. How are you always so unpleasant to talk to? Is that a personal go of yours? DrizztLink posted...
mURdeR iS MUrDeR _HayleyWilliams posted...
There was a topic like last week where a guy said the AoC should be lowered down to 10 and was defending a rape. I'm not even arguing against you, I'm just saying there are people that do that. CE has some scummy people. --- "And no I'm not signing your twitter after this type of attitude so don't ask..." - IIINCORRUPTIBLE ... Copied to Clipboard!
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eston 01/25/22 8:22:47 PM #78: |
I'm generally against vigilante justice And this story is no different. Had they caught him in the act it would be justified, but they chased him down and beat him to death on the word of a 9-year-old. No investigation, no evidence. Whether or not the man was guilty, these three guys need to be in prison --- http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i215/estonc/grizzly_bear_chairs_2.jpg http://i.imgur.com/8kjZU.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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JuanCarlos1 01/25/22 8:24:21 PM #79: |
Rayman2943 posted... And if we all decided to resort to vigilante justice society would fall apart. You do realize there was a topic with hundreds of posts here praising a father for killing a dude who allegedly raped his daughter... There are crimes..and there are crimes. Vigilantism for acting pedophiles is something I can live with. Forget morals and conscience. You gotta do right evil thing every once in a while for a better world. --- Mas dicen, que en las dimensiones de nuestro ser... hay muchos detalles por conocer... ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Sphyx 01/25/22 8:32:42 PM #80: |
Slayer_22 posted... you took it as an opportunity to compare to Germany for no real reason Sphyx posted... It's a reference to the iron cross being given out like cheap candy. Slayer_22 posted... Okay, if someone murders Hitler --- You're so vain, You probably think this sig is about you. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CyricZ 01/25/22 8:37:17 PM #81: |
RchHomieQuanChi posted... To be fair, you're putting too much faith into the justice system of Texas of all places.I feel this is a different argument. Regardless of the quality of the justice system, we still ideally need a system. Mr_Karate_II posted... They were justified in killing him.Why? Fony posted... You're on CE. He could get caught on video and have it streamed to the web, they'll still defend his actions or suggest ANY consequence is too harsh.This is an appeal to the opposite extreme. Saying that killing the man wasn't justified is not the same as "no consequence" and it's an abject failure of one's judgment to suggest that. JuanCarlos1 posted... Forget morals and conscience.Anyone who can justify this tactic will find themselves coming back to it. --- CyricZ He/him ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Umbreon 01/25/22 8:54:57 PM #82: |
If their story is true, then their actions are justified. Maybe not legal, but justified. As for 'Let the courts decide'... Have you seen how this country treats rape (Especially in a state like Texas)? Way too many people get kid gloves for rape, because we live in a country where Republican politicians wouldn't let a 9 year old get an abortion if she got impregnated because they think the fetus is a 'Gift from God'. I cannot blame the brothers for what they did. If I had a little sister and someone did something horrible to her, I couldn't stand it either. --- Black Lives Matter. ~DYL~ (On mobile) 12-18-19 and 01-13-21: Times Donald Trump has officially been impeached. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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RchHomieQuanChi 01/25/22 8:55:01 PM #83: |
CyricZ posted... I feel this is a different argument. Regardless of the quality of the justice system, we still ideally need a system. I agree. But it's not really relevant because so long as our justice system is the way that it is, people will continue to have little faith in it and seek out justice in their own way. We could say that this guy would face the consequences otherwise, but we've also seen sexual abuse allegations, particularly in red states like Texas, get thrown out all the time. --- I have nothing else to say ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CyricZ 01/25/22 9:06:42 PM #84: |
Umbreon posted... As for 'Let the courts decide'... Have you seen how this country treats rape (Especially in a state like Texas)? RchHomieQuanChi posted... We could say that this guy would face the consequences otherwise, but we've also seen sexual abuse allegations, particularly in red states like Texas, get thrown out all the time. Still doesn't make vigilante justice the answer, because it has failed and will continue to fail. We need to be better, including better than corrupt systems. --- CyricZ He/him ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Umbreon 01/25/22 9:13:29 PM #85: |
Vigilante justice largely exists because the system fails constantly. If we didn't have a corrupt system, few people would feel compelled to go that step. In a ideal world, criminals would be appropriately punished every time. No one would have to take things into their own hands because they would take comfort in knowing justice would always come to wrongdoers. But we don't live in that world. I'm not saying people should go out and 'take matters into their own hands', but I get their motive for doing so in this case. --- Black Lives Matter. ~DYL~ (On mobile) 12-18-19 and 01-13-21: Times Donald Trump has officially been impeached. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MrMallard 01/25/22 9:19:07 PM #86: |
I've been on the wrong side of stuff like this before, and I'll admit when I'm wrong. But again, my hatred for sex offenders knows no bounds, and if I read about one being killed I'm not going to be upset on behalf of the sex offender. In this case, the person who was killed had a warrant out for a previous molestation/rape of a child. He was beaten and killed by his own stepchildren. I don't think that happens when you have a step-parent who might otherwise have redeeming qualities or enough of a positive personality to sow doubt. That's speculation on my part, but I don't think this would have been outright murder if this guy had any sort of airs to him that put the "child molester" angle in doubt - especially to what is essentially his family. I was on the wrong side during the case where a guy killed a person who he thought sold his daughter into sex trafficking. I'll cop to that, and if I'm wrong about this I'll cop to this too. But ultimately, this is where I stand on this case at the moment: The only good child rapist is a dead child rapist. And as far as I am see, the deceased raped a 9 year old girl. Fuck him. --- But for you I came this far across the tracks, 10 miles above the limit with no seatbelt Now Playing: Minecraft, Pokemon BD, World Flipper ... Copied to Clipboard!
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RchHomieQuanChi 01/25/22 9:20:33 PM #87: |
CyricZ posted... Still doesn't make vigilante justice the answer, because it has failed and will continue to fail. There have been plenty of times where vigilante justice has at least forced us to re-evaluate and make changes to our justice system. --- I have nothing else to say ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CyricZ 01/25/22 9:36:44 PM #88: |
Umbreon posted... Vigilante justice largely exists because the system fails constantly.I would have you prove this. RchHomieQuanChi posted... There have been plenty of times where vigilante justice has at least forced us to re-evaluate and make changes to our justice system.While I'm not calling this false outright, I would have you provide examples. --- CyricZ He/him ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KStateKing17 01/25/22 9:41:09 PM #89: |
If it turns out by chance that the 9 year old is lying about being abused, then I'll take back what I said. I highly doubt she's lying about such a thing. There's a topic about a judge attempting to give a rapist time in the military though. I have very little respect or trust in the justice system. --- The 17th King of the State of K ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GiftedACIII 01/25/22 9:43:32 PM #90: |
CyricZ posted...
https://nypost.com/2021/01/16/mexicos-female-vigilantes-take-lead-in-fighting-drug-cartels/, https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/2/6/AAZl1UAAC2Z2.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_McElroy https://medium.com/@michaelmoran/the-creepiest-small-town-in-america-skidmore-missouri-deb4d0cc1c22 McElroy ... met his last wife, Trena McCloud (19572012), when she was 12 years old and in eighth grade. He statutorily raped McCloud repeatedly, also burning her house down and shooting the family dog before her parents relented and agreed to their marriage. She became pregnant when she was fourteen, dropped out of school in the ninth grade, and went to live with McElroy and his third wife Alice. McElroy divorced Alice and married Trena in order to escape charges of statutory rape, to which she was the only witness. Sixteen days after Trena gave birth, both she and Alice fled to Trena's mother's and stepfather's house. According to court records, McElroy tracked them down and brought them back. He then returned to Trena's parents' home when they were away and, once again, shot the family dog and burned the house down. In the 60s and 70s, Ken McElroy was Skidmores boogyman. He was beyond a bully, more of a self-imposed dictator who ran the town of Skidmore like his personal kingdom, literally raping and pillaging for 2 decades. --- </topic> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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haloiscoolisbak 01/25/22 9:49:18 PM #91: |
It's like the capital punishment argument for me. I'm against it in all circumstances, can't pick and choose exceptions for especially heinous crimes. So the brothers in my eyes still committed a crime. No chance they get let off murder just because we understand their motive more than most --- Started from the bottom now we here ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CyricZ 01/25/22 9:50:36 PM #92: |
GiftedACIII posted... All things done because of the failure of the justice system, but are any of these proven to have changed their justice system? --- CyricZ He/him ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GiftedACIII 01/25/22 10:08:58 PM #93: |
CyricZ posted... All things done because of the failure of the justice system, but are any of these proven to have changed their justice system? That was only directed to the first statement. I'm not sure you can empirically prove the second but I think logically it could and probably has. --- </topic> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Slayer_22 01/25/22 11:31:51 PM #94: |
GiftedACIII posted...
Don't try to argue with Cyric. If you provide a counter to his question, he will go ahead and call it irrelevant and ask another question that will be difficult to prove, but that one will also be irrelevant. Trust me, arguing with this dude is fruitless. He won't change his mind and will resort to snide remarks when, eventually, you beat his arguments and just ask you questions and make assumptions because you can't be considered 'correct' in his mind. --- "And no I'm not signing your twitter after this type of attitude so don't ask..." - IIINCORRUPTIBLE ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Reverend_Wilson 01/26/22 12:05:52 AM #95: |
hopefully they all get jail time for murder --- I like to eat poop. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FortuneCookie 01/26/22 12:42:53 AM #96: |
Justified. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Hoodroar 01/26/22 12:59:05 AM #97: |
Understandable but you're not not judge, jury, and executioner. Murder is murder; unless they were stopping him in the actual act of child molestation they don't have a case here. --- sigless user logic ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Slayer_22 01/26/22 1:01:11 AM #98: |
Hoodroar posted... Understandable but you're not not judge, jury, and executioner. Murder is murder; unless they were stopping him in the actual act of child molestation they don't have a case here. Slayer_22 posted... mURdeR iS MUrDeR --- "And no I'm not signing your twitter after this type of attitude so don't ask..." - IIINCORRUPTIBLE ... Copied to Clipboard!
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gaminggamer13 01/26/22 6:00:35 AM #99: |
What this man did to this poor girl, it is completely unjustifiable. Those brothers should be there to support her through this traumatic ordeal, family should always stick together in such horrific circumstances, yet she's going to lose three people she loves just because they felt the need to prove themselves as "oonga boonga big alpha male". Am I going to shed a tear over this monster's death? Hell no. I do feel for the girl, however, going through all this, now, without the support of her three brothers. They made a choice, just like that awful man did, they made it. Murder is murder, they are not god, people just cannot decide who lives and who dies. The sooner that notion is instilled in people's brains, then other people like this girl, going through something unbelievably distressing, would instead have her family, her siblings, help them through this traumatic period. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Solution_45 01/26/22 6:11:00 AM #100: |
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