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Zikten 01/30/22 5:59:33 AM #1: |
https://www.reddit.com/r/DCcomics/comments/sfi620/comic_excerpt_andrea_martinez_coming_out_to_her/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share Happened to see this on my reddit feed Wtf ... Copied to Clipboard!
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brotrrwinner 01/30/22 6:04:44 AM #2: |
I don't get it, what does that have to do with being a superhero? --- September 21st, 2008 Never forget ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zikten 01/30/22 6:06:49 AM #3: |
brotrrwinner posted... I don't get it, what does that have to do with being a superhero? I dont know if those people are super heroes. I think this is friends of Supergirl. But she isn't there I just can't believe they showed such a brutal reaction. I guess they were sick of the stereotypical happy ending ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Doe 01/30/22 6:11:20 AM #4: |
brotrrwinner posted... I don't get it, what does that have to do with being a superhero?This is probably bait, but sadly a sizable amount of people believe this is a sensible question, and that belief gets echoed by tons of alt-right nerd social media. It's crazy the cognitive dissonance people can hold, to complain about a comic showing a hero's dating and family life when the most celebrated superhero ever, Spider-man, his whole shtick is protecting the people he dates and aunt may from his villain cast. --- https://i.imgur.com/u5kY6Yt.gif https://i.imgur.com/V6HBhkR.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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BakonBitz 01/30/22 7:49:47 AM #5: |
Damn. Hopefully that won't be seen as the writer condoning such behavior. --- Game collection: http://www.backloggery.com/bakonbitz Gaming channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwVQm69J7bGScbv3_50C0dA ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Slayer_22 01/30/22 7:56:40 AM #6: |
Ngl, the art style and the way the mom talked completely made me lose interest. It's like when an actor is being fed lines in a TV show and you can just tell. Just seemed like that, just a really had monologue. Like, was the mom like 'yeah, I'll wear this wig and talk about vanity'? Lol. --- "And no I'm not signing your twitter after this type of attitude so don't ask..." - IIINCORRUPTIBLE ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CyricZ 01/30/22 7:57:19 AM #7: |
BakonBitz posted... Damn. Hopefully that won't be seen as the writer condoning such behavior.I... couldn't imagine it would be. Every bit of framing is showing the attacker as completely unhinged. --- CyricZ He/him ... Copied to Clipboard!
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mooreandrew58 01/30/22 8:10:06 AM #8: |
It's sad. Never known a case like that but I did know a guy (ex bf) who got kicked out when he came out. He was young and didn't have handle on life yet either. I hope he managed to make it. --- Cid- "looks like that overgrown lobster just got served!" Bartz-"with cheese biscuts AND mashed potatoes!" ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zikten 01/30/22 8:16:42 AM #9: |
Oh I just realized there are 2 more pages in my link. I dont know how I missed that Shows the aftermath. Of course they give that mom a redemption arc...... ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CyricZ 01/30/22 8:33:32 AM #10: |
I think it could be taken more than one way. One way is the mother redeemed herself once she realized the fragility of life. Another way is that it took the realization of the fragility of life and her own death for her to realize that her own family was slipping away from her. Another way is that she's still obsessed with the vanity of having appeared as a good mother by the time of her death. I mean, look at the way she hangs on the word "girlfriend". She's clearly still not comfortable with her daughter's relationship. It might seem like she's seeking forgiveness without really understanding what she wants to be forgiven for. But then, these kinds of things are always complicated. --- CyricZ He/him ... Copied to Clipboard!
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BakonBitz 01/30/22 9:10:53 AM #11: |
CyricZ posted... I... couldn't imagine it would be. Every bit of framing is showing the attacker as completely unhinged.Apparently according to the top post there were some people misinterpreting it as that. Edit: Didn't see the other pages either. Yeah it's clearly written as if her behavior is wrong. --- Game collection: http://www.backloggery.com/bakonbitz Gaming channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwVQm69J7bGScbv3_50C0dA ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CyricZ 01/30/22 9:14:10 AM #12: |
BakonBitz posted... Apparently according to the top post there were some people misinterpreting it as that.Okay, but I'm not going to start fights with all of them over it. --- CyricZ He/him ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DeadBankerDream 01/30/22 9:26:55 AM #13: |
That's very rough and emotional and all, but she's sitting there watching it in a purple spandex hero outfit with a studded shoulder guard and I remember why I don't really care about comics. --- "That thick shaft that causes women to shudder!" ... Copied to Clipboard!
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YookaLaylee 01/30/22 9:31:57 AM #14: |
DeadBankerDream posted... That's very rough and emotional and all, but she's sitting there watching it in a purple spandex hero outfit with a studded shoulder guard and I remember why I don't really care about comics. There are lots of comics about stuff besides superheroes --- Fire tempers iron and temptation steels the just ... Copied to Clipboard!
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McMarbles 01/30/22 9:50:09 AM #15: |
Zikten posted... https://www.reddit.com/r/DCcomics/comments/sfi620/comic_excerpt_andrea_martinez_coming_out_to_her/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share OMG WOKENESS RUINING MUH COMEEKS Oh, wait, this was late 90s. --- Currently playing: Stardew Valley (Switch) #SluggoIsLit ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Snip-N-Snails 01/31/22 11:09:14 AM #16: |
Doe posted... that belief gets echoed by tons of alt-right nerd social media.Yes, that user is one of them. --- #BLM ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FortuneCookie 01/31/22 11:13:22 AM #17: |
Even for the 90s, hitting her with the chip bowl seems like an extreme overreaction. Comics aren't exactly known for their subtlety though. "How do I convey parental disapproval? Physical abuse! I'm a genius." ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PlantBased 01/31/22 11:22:40 AM #18: |
FortuneCookie posted... Even for the 90s, hitting her with the chip bowl seems like an extreme overreaction. Comics aren't exactly known for their subtlety though.You severely underestimate how unhinged some parents can be about the reality of having an LGBT child. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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BeesKnees 01/31/22 11:31:49 AM #19: |
FortuneCookie posted... Even for the 90s, hitting her with the chip bowl seems like an extreme overreaction. Comics aren't exactly known for their subtlety though.WAH WAH HOMOPHOBIC VIOLENCE DOESN'T HAPPEN just shut the fuck up --- CHOCO Cute Horses Or Cows, Oh! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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BeesKnees 01/31/22 11:32:40 AM #20: |
mooreandrew58 posted... It's sad. Never known a case like that but I did know a guy (ex bf) who got kicked out when he came out. He was young and didn't have handle on life yet either. I hope he managed to make it.impossible, straight people keep telling me homophobia doesn't exist --- CHOCO Cute Horses Or Cows, Oh! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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BeesKnees 01/31/22 11:39:39 AM #21: |
also lmfao @ that piece of shit mom "waaahh i'm dying alone because my daughter doesn't appreciate me being a worthless piece of shit" just fucking kill yourself dumbass --- CHOCO Cute Horses Or Cows, Oh! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ChocoboMogALT 01/31/22 11:41:43 AM #22: |
FortuneCookie posted... Even for the 90s, hitting her with the chip bowl seems like an extreme overreaction. Comics aren't exactly known for their subtlety though.Fuck off, much worse happens everyday. --- "We live in a country Hasire.." ~ yosouf06 REVOLVER STAKE! http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v717/ChocoboMog123/AltEisenRChocoboMog.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FortuneCookie 01/31/22 12:29:56 PM #24: |
PlantBased posted... You severely underestimate how unhinged some parents can be about the reality of having an LGBT child. BeesKnees posted... WAH WAH HOMOPHOBIC VIOLENCE DOESN'T HAPPEN Kicking her out of the house? Demanding her go to church and pray the gay away? Threatening to cut her out of the inheritance? That, I believe. Hitting her with the chip bowl feels like the most extreme kind of hate. It's like coming out to your father only to realize in that exact instant that he's the secret love-child of Adolf Hitler and Myra Hindley. She wouldn't have come out to him if he had shown previous warning signs of violence or extreme prejudice. It's all about the psychology - not the unlikelihood that monsters to exist. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Doe 01/31/22 12:34:14 PM #25: |
FortuneCookie posted... Kicking her out of the house? Demanding her go to church and pray the gay away? Threatening to cut her out of the inheritance? That, I believe. Hitting her with the chip bowl feels like the most extreme kind of hate. It's like coming out to your father only to realize in that exact instant that he's the secret love-child of Adolf Hitler and Myra Hindley.lol wtf --- https://i.imgur.com/u5kY6Yt.gif https://i.imgur.com/V6HBhkR.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PlantBased 01/31/22 12:37:12 PM #26: |
Oh, this is that white fragility person. At least you're consistent. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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creativerealms 01/31/22 12:41:09 PM #27: |
90s huh? Weird I thought this stuff only started happening in comics in the last five years. We're the comicsgaters lying to me? --- Occam's razor: The simplest solution (answer) is most likely the right one ... Copied to Clipboard!
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greyfox747 01/31/22 12:59:06 PM #28: |
FortuneCookie posted... shut the fuck up. --- Officially Certified Gamer Girl in 27 states She/her ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FortuneCookie 01/31/22 1:23:29 PM #29: |
I think you're trying to pick a fight where there isn't one to be had. I'm not saying homophobia doesn't exist. I'm saying that was sloppy writing. She comes out to him in good faith as though she full expects him to accept her for who she is. He immediately responds with violence. The part that is unrealistic is not that a father would be abusive, but that there would have been no warning signs growing up. If you have a parent who is capable of violence, you know to walk around on eggshells. You don't challenge their views if you can avoid doing so and, when forced to, you approach with caution - with self-preservation in mind. The only way this scenario plays out is if he'd been an ideal father all the days that she was growing up and then snapped the moment he found out she was gay. I've seen better indictments of anti-LBTQ violence in 90s comic. An issue of Shadow Man immediately comes to mind. Men with bats chase a gay man into an alleyway only to be confronted by the eponymous hero of the comic. That is something that did happen. Also, the comic focuses on a hate-spewing radio talk personality which emboldened bigots to violence. Again, that happens. I bet 60% of the anti-Asian violence in American can be pinned on Donald Trump with his accusations of "kung flu" and "China virus." What doesn't happen is for a seemingly nice father to act with immediate violence upon finding out someone is gay. (Or, conversely, for the child of an abusive parent to expect acceptance.) There are always warning signs for that kind of behavior. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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greyfox747 01/31/22 1:24:36 PM #30: |
greyfox747 posted... shut the fuck up. --- Officially Certified Gamer Girl in 27 states She/her ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FortuneCookie 01/31/22 1:33:33 PM #31: |
It was sloppily written. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Funkydog 01/31/22 1:34:51 PM #32: |
greyfox747 posted... shut the fuck up. --- Let's make biscuits! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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masterpug53 01/31/22 1:37:30 PM #33: |
PlantBased posted... Oh, this is that white fragility person. He is indeed that guy. And I'm certain he'll continue digging himself into a hole in this topic much the same as he did that one. --- Simple questions deserve long-winded answers that no one will bother to read. https://imgur.com/eW67nT8 - Artwork by Wii_Shaker ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MC_BatCommander 01/31/22 1:38:59 PM #34: |
brotrrwinner posted... I don't get it, what does that have to do with being a superhero? Believe it or not, lots of superheroes are people and have to deal with people problems --- The Legend is True! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FortuneCookie 01/31/22 1:40:16 PM #35: |
> calls out bad writing from the 90s > gives an example of better writing from the 90s Wow, what a bigot. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PlantBased 01/31/22 3:30:31 PM #36: |
FortuneCookie posted... She comes out to him in good faith as though she full expects him to accept her for who she is. He immediately responds with violence. The part that is unrealistic is not that a father would be abusive, but that there would have been no warning signs growing up. If you have a parent who is capable of violence, you know to walk around on eggshells. You don't challenge their views if you can avoid doing so and, when forced to, you approach with caution - with self-preservation in mind. The only way this scenario plays out is if he'd been an ideal father all the days that she was growing up and then snapped the moment he found out she was gay.Nobody tell him. I want to see how much more he can bloviate about this. FortuneCookie posted... > calls out bad writing from the 90sYou're being fragile again. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FortuneCookie 01/31/22 4:40:31 PM #37: |
Please, post the same thing over and over again. Surely repetition will change what I said and what I mean. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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McMarbles 01/31/22 4:44:48 PM #38: |
creativerealms posted... 90s huh? Weird I thought this stuff only started happening in comics in the last five years. We're the comicsgaters lying to me?Yep, Peter Davids mid-late 90s Supergirl run. Oh, and shes half-human, half-horse and half-angel. Because comics are WEIRD. --- Currently playing: Stardew Valley (Switch) #SluggoIsLit ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PlantBased 01/31/22 5:03:09 PM #39: |
FortuneCookie posted... Please, post the same thing over and over again. Surely repetition will change what I said and what I mean.what the fuck are you even trying to say lmao ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FortuneCookie 01/31/22 5:03:44 PM #40: |
I could easily ask the same of you. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PlantBased 01/31/22 5:09:49 PM #41: |
The same thing several other people itt have told you. The same thing a dozen people told you in the white fragility topic. You don't know what you're talking about. Please stop doing it. Thank you. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FortuneCookie 01/31/22 5:12:41 PM #42: |
FortuneCookie posted... Please, post the same thing over and over again. Surely repetition will change what I said and what I mean. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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greyfox747 01/31/22 5:18:39 PM #43: |
so all of the queer people that I know that suffered abuse like this when they were growing up, are they just making it up in your expert opinion or --- Officially Certified Gamer Girl in 27 states She/her ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FortuneCookie 01/31/22 5:27:22 PM #44: |
greyfox747 posted... so all of the queer people that I know that suffered abuse like this when they were growing up, are they just making it up in your expert opinion or There are tons of LGBTQ youth that suffered abuse. That was never called into question. I'm saying that this comic shows a woman (she looks to be a full grown adult, but I'm sure she's supposed to be in her teens) coming out to her parents like she has no idea that her father would be against it -- and then he brutally attacks her. If you've made it to 16, and you've lived with your father, you have a reasonable idea of who he is and how he's going to react. Will he get mad if you bring home a boyfriend or girlfriend of another ethnic group? Will he get mad if you bring home someone of the same sex? Will he hit you with the back end of his hand if he sent you to get groceries and you forgot to pick up limes? By whatever age she's drawn to be, she should have an idea of who he is and what's coming. It's written like she expects no backlash and this is the first time he's reacted violently. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FortuneCookie 01/31/22 5:28:10 PM #45: |
Actually, looking at it again, that second panel looks as if she expects something bad to happen. Never mind. <_< ... Copied to Clipboard!
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greyfox747 01/31/22 5:32:23 PM #46: |
Oh, so you should have shut the fuck up this entire time, since you have no idea what youre talking about. i wish you would learn anything from this experience, but you never do. Fuck off. --- Officially Certified Gamer Girl in 27 states She/her ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FortuneCookie 01/31/22 5:34:38 PM #47: |
I admitted I made a mistake. Do you have anything in your vocabulary besides "fuck you" and "fuck off"? >_> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Smackems 01/31/22 5:36:13 PM #48: |
brotrrwinner posted... I don't get it, what does that have to do with being a superhero?Stfu. It's just character development. You know, do they aren't just two dimensional fighting machines I can't read what it says so I can't make out fully what's going on --- Common sense said you can common my sense, ifyaknowwhatimeanwinkwink -smackems- some dudette named JimCarrysToe ... Copied to Clipboard!
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greyfox747 01/31/22 5:36:57 PM #49: |
Its not even her father beating her, you moron. And yes, I know plenty of queer people who had similar experiences to this. But apparently that means nothing to you, since you have to be the final authority on this. --- Officially Certified Gamer Girl in 27 states She/her ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Heartomaton 01/31/22 5:42:01 PM #50: |
Wow. FortuneCookie sux. --- https://www.youtube.com/user/Heartomaton Heartomaton for President 2028. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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