Current Events > Anti-work is the prevailing mindset these days amongst the young.

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UBI is the solution but then rich people will intentionally fuck it up and raise the prices of everything

PoundGarden posted...

And I suspect you can't read. Whole lot of mental gymnastics on your part to shoot down "if you want a better job, get one". Mighty tall order, that. I'm not upset, can you stop with that juvenile "whoa u mad lol" bullshit? It would be great if you could form an original thought

You responded to my post saying this:

fyi most the content on the sub is about leaving a toxic job and get a better job

it is about empowering workers to know their worth and to take away the power from the souless corps who ask them to work weekends and ignore their family

with complaining that the sub exists and saying they did not put in the effort.

PoundGarden posted...

Don't know what to tell you. If someone can't find a job right now, they should take a look at what they're doing wrong. Jesus christ, 2022 and people acting like it's the Great Depression and there's no jobs anywhere lol

People aren't having trouble just "finding a job".

People are having trouble finding a job that enables them to have a life.

"Work to live, not live to work"

And before you start saying some shit, I work 48 hours a week and make decent money but I'm also treated well at my job, so I would say I'm fortunate. Other people get reamed daily and their options are more limited due to whatever extraneous factors came into play in their lives to get them where they are now.

What I find irritating about anti-work is it feels...smug. Like they have something figured out that all the "worker bees" refuse to see or accept. Then they get irate when people point out gaps in their plan and say they just haven't figured out how to get around that or whatever.

But the underlying principles are fine. Better wages and better access to personal needs through employment (like employee sponsored child care, newborn leave for both genders, mental health help, or educational stipends).

Solid Sonic posted...

What I find irritating about anti-work is it feels...smug. Like they have something figured out that all the "worker bees" refuse to see or accept. Then they get irate when people point out gaps in their plan and say they just haven't figured out how to get around that or whatever.

But the underlying principles are fine. Better wages and better access to personal needs through employment (like employee sponsored child care, newborn leave for both genders, mental health help, or educational stipends).

idk man

nothing is more smug than

"You lazy entitled idiots just need to work harder like I did! Stop complaining!"
Something that is infact said often in reaction to much of the info shared there

WingsOfGood posted...

What volume does it speak exactly?
Also, I did not say it was impossible. I literally said most of the posts on the sub are people sharing their stories of leaving one job and finding another. But the value of sharing that is to raise awareness of your worth and force employers to fall in line via worker unity.

Because CEOs read Reddit?

bluezero posted...

Because CEOs read Reddit?

No. But you have heard no one wants to work and companies trying their best to find ways to get talent yes?

What exactly do you think is the cause of this? Why are some places giving thousands in sign on bonus?

I personally don't say that. I just don't want to be attacked for the fact I like my career and find it enriching (when it plays out properly).

I guess what I should say is I think a good number of them subscribe to the "either you're part of the solution or part of the problem" mentality. Like anyone not fighting their cause and just continuing to work their jobs without the willingness to constantly identify ways that they're being screwed over is just contributing to employer overlording. The only people doing the right thing are the people who stand up to every single workplace injustice and refuse to participate in any company that won't buck.

It's not that simple. Sometimes you have to shoulder bad shit to get what you need as a person. Subverting the system by trying to find ways to live outside the normal grind is fine but it's not for everyone, least of which me (I'll admit upfront I'm pretty materialistic and a motivated consumer of non-essentials so there's no way that MO would ever fit into an anti-work sentiment).

Solid Sonic posted...

What I find irritating about anti-work is it feels...smug. Like they have something figured out that all the "worker bees" refuse to see or accept. Then they get irate when people point out gaps in their plan and say they just haven't figured out how to get around that or whatever.

See i have a theory that there are people who dont want to see workers rights increase, UBI etc because to them it would invalidate the work theyve done. Basically its an ego thing.

I honestly believe that there are people who get joy from knowing there are people struggling and they themselves are not. The fight against anti work comes from these ideas.

I see posts frequently about people loving their job cause it treats them well on the sub actually and people congratulate them.

Solid Sonic posted...

either you're part of the solution or part of the problem" mentality.

This isn't because you like your job, this would be if you act as if they are in a bad place because they are lazy or try to dismiss valid arguments.

Like many things, everyone is on a different page due to the vague name, so it's a movement that has legitimacy but ends up bogged down by a lack of understanding.

I think alot of it stems from entitlement. Many of them are youths with little education, experience, skills, work ethic or..... anything for that matter.

But still feel owed a easy job with full benefits, low work hours, they're state and city of choosing, and high pay.

Prismsblade posted...

I think alot of it stems from entitlement. Many of them are youths with little education, experience, skills, work ethic or..... anything for that matter.

But still feel owed a easy job with full benefits, low work hours, they're state and city of choosing, and high pay.

and there it is bois

WingsOfGood posted...

idk man

nothing is more smug than

"You lazy entitled idiots just need to work harder like I did! Stop complaining!"

I love working. I do not like being mistreated or exploited, and in all instances where those two are wedded to work, I am anti-work.

Lmfao at dumbfucks thinking these people are actually in favor of better wages and benefits for workers. It's just a circlejerk of losers, like basically every single subreddit out there.

The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.
Socrates

Prismsblade posted...

I think alot of it stems from entitlement. Many of them are youths with little education, experience, skills, work ethic or..... anything for that matter.

But still feel owed a easy job with full benefits, low work hours, they're state and city of choosing, and high pay.

What if people dont want to acrue huge college debts or work 3 jobs to live a comfortable life?

What if people are realizing that shouldnt be the only options?

As I said I think older people dont like the movement because they fell in line and did all that work and if an easier way comes out it would invalidate the previous work theyve done.

Edit: antiwork intimidates loyal workers because it goes against their whole life

Do you guys know that all you need to do to find a better job is just look? Thats it and they will hire you.

Quit your job and just change careers is easy peasy according to this Poundgarden guy. Absolutely no risk whatsoever.

NoMeLx22x posted...

Do you guys know that all you need to do to find a better job is just look? Thats it and they will hire you.

Quit your job and just change careers is easy peasy according to this Poundgarden guy. Absolutely no risk whatsoever.

God that'd be so cool

oh wait, apologies I think I confused prism with poundgarden

Definitely agree that wages need to be higher and that no one should have to work more than 1 job to survive.

But to hell with the ones that think they should be paid to sit around all day and contribute nothing

WingsOfGood posted...

You responded to my post saying this:

with complaining that the sub exists and saying they did not put in the effort.

Cool. So where the flaw in what I actually said, which was of they have time to complain they have time to better themselves? That's objectively true. Very little was ever solved by whining on reddit.

Sajo posted...

People aren't having trouble just "finding a job".

People are having trouble finding a job that enables them to have a life.

"Work to live, not live to work"

And before you start saying some shit, I work 48 hours a week and make decent money but I'm also treated well at my job, so I would say I'm fortunate. Other people get reamed daily and their options are more limited due to whatever extraneous factors came into play in their lives to get them where they are now.

Jobs are out there. You have one, I have one, most people do. These folks want to act like Appling and shopping around for employers is beneath them or they shouldn't have to put in the effort. Very few of us find our perfect fit the first, second or even third job. It probably won't happen overnight but if someone keeps at it odds are they'll find a job they like.

WingsOfGood posted...

and there it is bois

He's right though. That interview the other day says all we need to know about this "movement". These are folks that are approaching middle age and still don't know what they want to do. Dude couldn't even be arsed to make the bed before going on national tv FFS. By and far I see people that didn't really apply themselves and are now freaking out because they're 34 and basically wasted their lives and are looking for someone to blame.

PoundGarden posted...

He's right though. That interview the other day says all we need to know about this "movement". These are folks that are approaching middle age and still don't know what they want to do. Dude couldn't even be arsed to make the bed before going on national tv FFS. By and far I see people that didn't really apply themselves and are now freaking out because they're 34 and basically wasted their lives and are looking for someone to blame

Gentle reminder that, while a colossal fuck up and a rapist, she goes by she/her pronouns and is not a dude

NoMeLx22x posted...

Do you guys know that all you need to do to find a better job is just look? Thats it and they will hire you.

Quit your job and just change careers is easy peasy according to this Poundgarden guy. Absolutely no risk whatsoever.

Never said there wasn't risk.

But yes...if you want a better job you have to take the initiative. Billions of other people have done it, this is how things work. How...how else do you expect to find a good job?

Femputer posted...

Gentle reminder that, while a colossal fuck up and a rapist, she goes by she/her pronouns and is not a dude

Ok, she was a fucking train wreck and validated everyone's assumptions about the typical member of antiwork.

Better?

Nasty_Nitro posted...

What if people dont want to acrue huge college debts or work 3 jobs to live a comfortable life?

What if people are realizing that shouldnt be the only options?

As I said I think older people dont like the movement because they fell in line and did all that work and if an easier way comes out it would invalidate the previous work theyve done.

Edit: antiwork intimidates loyal workers because it goes against their whole life

They are more then free to seek out said options at their leisure. And if so, i wish them the best of luck.

But expecting businesses or society as a whole to conform so they can have it easier is pretty unreasonable how I see it.

PoundGarden posted...

Ok, she was a fucking train wreck and validated everyone's assumptions about the typical member of antiwork.

Better?

Yeah, thanks. I disagree judging the movement by her, but that can't be helped. Fox news is good at painting with a broad brush.

PoundGarden posted...

Cool. So where the flaw in what I actually said, which was of they have time to complain they have time to better themselves? That's objectively true. Very little was ever solved by whining on reddit.

You don't take your own advice so why should anyone respect it? Here you are arguing with us. Why?

Are you not a hard worker?

PoundGarden posted...

He's right though. That interview the other day says all we need to know about this "movement". These are folks that are approaching middle age and still don't know what they want to do. Dude couldn't even be arsed to make the bed before going on national tv FFS. By and far I see people that didn't really apply themselves and are now freaking out because they're 34 and basically wasted their lives and are looking for someone to blame.

So you confirm what I said:

WingsOfGood posted... I don't believe he has considered anything.

His view is basically:
"I have job. This is my identity. These people want more and better pay. If they get it, then I am not worth much and my identity is harmed. I must paint them as lazy and bad. My identity is saved."

Literally the most typical knee jerk reaction. Not to mention the idea that your job isn't your identity must really hurt his self-esteem.

Your real stake here is that you need people to look down on. It seems to me you must be unhappy with your life then.

WingsOfGood posted...

You don't take your own advice so why should anyone respect it? Here you are arguing with us. Why?

Are you not a hard worker?

Ah, so you really can't read. What part of "I'm happy with my job" do you not understand? Why would I look for a new one?
I also like how you ignored the part where I said "didn't like the last one so I found a new one". How entitled are you that you think it is not the job seekers responsibility to find an appropriate job for themselves?

Prismsblade posted...

But expecting businesses or society as a whole to conform so they can have it easier is pretty unreasonable how I see it.

Well yeah they wont do it by themselves THATS THE WHOLE POINT
people are pointing out that these companies intentionally take advantage of workers.

Its engrained in peoples minds that you have to let corporate america work you to death antiwork is trying to change that.

Its very obvious that fox news wanted to squash it before it left the ground.

People in the modern time shouldnt have to work this much. I feel like you agree with what im saying but you have too much respect for corporations and business owners to demand it.

WingsOfGood posted...

So you confirm what I said:

Your real stake here is that you need people to look down on. It seems to me you must be unhappy with your life then.

If thats your take, that's your problem. You can stop playing the victim and projecting, my life is fine, thanks. Your real stake is ou just want to whine and blame everyone else for your own shortcomings. How's that working out?

PoundGarden posted...

Ah, so you really can't read. What part of "I'm happy with my job" do you not understand? Why would I look for a new one?
I also like how you ignored the part where I said "didn't like the last one so I found a new one". How entitled are you that you think it is not the job seekers responsibility to find an appropriate job for themselves?

I am not asking about looking for a job. You are buttmad they are complaining on reddit saying it is a waste of time.

Yet here you are on gamefaqs buttmad complaining that they are complaining.

Understood?

PoundGarden posted...

If thats your take, that's your problem. You can stop playing the victim and projecting, my life is fine, thanks. Your real stake is ou just want to whine and blame everyone else for your own shortcomings. How's that working out?

Well let's see. I am at work right now and posting on gamefaqs. I am making a ton of money while doing so.

Difference between me and you is I don't need others to be beneath me and pretend that I got this cushy nice job because I am superior than them. I can sympathize with their plight and if they are lifted up I am not worried and can move up.
I think you must be worried you won't be able to.

So, how do you think it is working out for me?

WingsOfGood posted...

I am not asking about looking for a job. You are buttmad they are complaining on reddit saying it is a waste of time.

Yet here you are on gamefaqs buttmad complaining that they are complaining.

Understood?

Stay with me here: the difference is I have a job and am happy with it. Because I am apparently one of the elite privileged chosen few who have figured out that if you want a good job you have to find it.

Understood?

But hey, keep fighting the good fight. I'm sure someone is pulling up right now to knock on the door and offer you a no exp needed $50k a year job

PoundGarden posted...

if you want a good job you have to find it.

How can you think people don't know this? Do you just assume everyone who isn't you is a deadbrained idiot? Why are you being so excessively reductive? If you're not here to have a conversation, thats one thing. Don't belittle and mock please

PoundGarden posted...

If thats your take, that's your problem. You can stop playing the victim and projecting, my life is fine, thanks. Your real stake is ou just want to whine and blame everyone else for your own shortcomings. How's that working out?

you guys are slinging mud but I think we can all agree that working less would be better than the current situation and a UBI would actually revolutionary.

Would you really be mad at poor people getting an extra rack if you got one too?

It's about time people stood up to their oppressors and demanded to be treated like human beings.

Anti work is not the prevailing mindset, get off the internet and go outside

WingsOfGood posted...

Well let's see. I am at work right now and posting on gamefaqs. I am making a ton of money while doing so.

Difference between me and you is I don't need others to be beneath me and pretend that I got this cushy nice job because I am superior than them. I can sympathize with their plight and if they are lifted up I am not worried and can move up.
I think you must be worried you won't be able to.

So, how do you think it is working out for me?

I actually don't really care about your cartoon life. Good for you. It's really sad that you keep projecting this superiority complex that I've not exhibited at all, again I think you're projecting and you're the one who needs to feel superior so our probably not as happy as you're pretending to be. Please point out where I've done that. And "if you want a better job, get one" isn't superiority, it's how the world fucking works, duh.

But don't let that stop you from simping for middle aged part time dog walkers who can't even be arsed to look for a job.

PoundGarden posted...

Stay with me here: the difference is I have a job and am happy with it. Because I am apparently one of the elite privileged chosen few who have figured out that if you want a good job you have to find it.

Understood?

But hey, keep fighting the good fight. I'm sure someone is pulling up right now to knock on the door and offer you a no exp needed $50k a year job

Why would I want job paying 50k?

Like bro, calm the fuck down and read posts for a change.

@PoundGarden

how do you feel about UBI?

A lot of corporate Simps in this topic

Nasty_Nitro posted...

you guys are slinging mud but I think we can all agree that working less would be better than the current situation and a UBI would actually revolutionary.

Would you really be mad at poor people getting an extra rack if you got one too?

I can get behind that. UBI is goung to be a necessity shortly here due to many jobs disappearing.

I can't get behind someone seriously thinking they deserve a living wage doing part time high schooler work and I never will. And that they should have to take zero initiative to improve their lives.

What_ posted...

A lot of corporate Simps in this topic

antiwork ideals invalidate their hard work in their eyes only corporate simps should be happy

PoundGarden posted...

And "if you want a better job, get one" isn't superiority, it's how the world fucking works, duh.

Sure, everyone has the money to just up and move from the small towns they live and jobs are hard to get to big cities where jobs are plentiful.

"Anyone can be rich and successful if they just try and stop being lazy"

"Oh, I'm not lazy but I'm not rich because *fart*"

PoundGarden posted...

I actually don't really care about your cartoon life. Good for you. It's really sad that you keep projecting this superiority complex that I've not exhibited at all, again I think you're projecting and you're the one who needs to feel superior so our probably not as happy as you're pretending to be. Please point out where I've done that. And "if you want a better job, get one" isn't superiority, it's how the world fucking works, duh.

But don't let that stop you from simping for middle aged part time dog walkers who can't even be arsed to look for a job.

Ah yes, cartoon life?
My life is fake apparently yet I am also the one who is being smug and got a superiority complex?

I guess if you accept that I am actually well off that would crush your ego.
Can't have that, You gotta be the only one who is successful.

Ironically, I didn't say you were pretending and faking it, but maybe I should right?

WingsOfGood posted...

Why would I want job paying 50k?

Like bro, calm the fuck down and read posts for a change.

Call me bro one more time and you're blocked. I've asked you not to do it, try to be a fucking adult for once.

The better wages and working conditions aspect is fine. That group is fine.

However the part of the group who only work less than 25 hours a week, expecting to get paid big boy money doing work that doesn't require years of experience or education......are just plain lazy. Ignoring those type of people are hiding among the antiwork movement also isn't helping the cause.

I'm fact, the name of the movement is just terrible. "Antiwork" isn't a clever name, it's a name that's easy to attack. It's like the ridiculous "defund the police" slogan that was supposed to sound deep.

I dont get why some back downright terrible slogans.