Board 8 > Final Fantasy 14 Mafia - Day 3: Answers

(+) Yeah! (+)

Scare is a perfectly fine place to start. He's probably been even less active than Chris.

Though he's also -2 already so let's just leave him there until he shows up.

Plum has been very unplum like and I haven't really paid much attention beyond that. Need to read the game with a more critical eye.

MikeTavish posted...

Very odd thought process thinking there's a two man mafia team and two third parties in this game. I think you're town tbh, but I really highly doubt you're correct unless you know something the rest of us don't.

I'm also down for a scare claim because he's done absolutely nothing this game imo.

##Vote: Scare

I was the one that lead the lynch day 1

I mean he was town, but I've been doing things. Not my fault yesterday was a waste

It looks like mass and that probably means I'm the lynch because my role is about the scummiest thing you can think of. I'm pretty sure I've seen it only in scum fake claims, like twice, and never actually in practice in a real game

ScareChan posted...

It looks like mass and that probably means I'm the lynch because my role is about the scummiest thing you can think of. I'm pretty sure I've seen it only in scum fake claims, like twice, and never actually in practice in a real game

Said too much out with it.

I'm Hades, TOWN Overseer of the Underworld

and it's a straight back up. Every night I target the dead and take on their persona, resetting every night

Night 1 I took the BP and I saved Ulti because I wagered that he was town and if Chris was town that scum generally use an unblockable kill on him, so protecting him would be a waste.

Last night I took on the Bulletproof

part of this role means I take on the flavor of who I took on also. It's why I asked Mike if he could keep using this after he targeted Ulti, because I'm also the Warrior of Light today. It's why I said that I expected Ulti would still be lynched today because I thought that if Mike died yesterday and I took it on, if he was truthful I'd essentially be creating a neighborhood and be able to confirm both of their alignments and then that night become BP so I couldnt be shot the next night.

That was my plan until I double checked and even though it wasnt worded this way my role was not intended to use day actions. After that I did not care -at all- about how day ended which made me more than happy to hammer because I figured we would also get an earlier day start

red13n posted...

Said too much out with it.

I wanted to make my claim one post for easy searching and it took a minute to write all that.

Ah, Night 1 I took the BG not the BP, obviously

Well that's not elegant at all

Well it's probably time to solve the game with a question

Who targeted plum night one? Best to be honest

Isn't Hades a bad guy

You take the role of the recently dead or you take the role of any dead you choose?

##unvote

That role is so crazy that it fits right in to this game so far, also means that I can still find the WoL even if Ulti had died which concerned me as an issue with my role from the start.

Nice to see Chris doing a thing. Let's watch.

MZero posted...

Isn't Hades a bad guy

Yes.

MZero posted...

Isn't Hades a bad guy

Hades is literally an Ascian but he's also kinda not really a bad guy as we learn in Endwalker .

I don't buy scum literally claiming an Ascian. Seems like a flavour trap to me.

I probably should have spoiler tagged more than what I did. Sorry Tidus.

MikeTavish posted...

Hades is literally an Ascian but he's also kinda not really a bad guy

Nah hes still very much a bad guy.

Just cause they want to make the villain sympathetic doesn't mean he doesn't want to erase all of current life from existence.

oh shit are we supposed to be hiding some portion of spoilers for someone?

Tidus asked us to try and be light on the spoilers, yes.

And I don't want to go down ANOTHER flavour rabbit hole but I don't really consider him a bad guy after everything that happens in Elpis

MikeTavish posted...

I don't buy scum literally claiming an Ascian. Seems like a flavour trap to me.

Ulti claimed Thanos in Avengers mafia and got away with it. Scare even mentioned this yesterday

comes down to WIFOM

Hades turned into a bad guy due to a lot of trauma. Free of that trauma dude is alright.

MZero posted...

Ulti claimed Thanos in Avengers mafia and got away with it. Scare even mentioned this yesterday

comes down to WIFOM

This is stupid.

He literally claimed Thanos and my character had flavor text mentioning chopping that thanos' head off.

He should have been lynched on the spot but town was stupid.

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Hades turned into a bad guy due to a lot of trauma. Free of that trauma dude is alright.

No one is ever a villain then. Just cause we get to see why someone is a villain doesnt make them not a villain.

red13n posted...

No one is ever a villain then. Just cause we get to see why someone is a villain doesnt make them not a villain.

They mentioned a certain area. I was just pointing out that version is for sure not a villain compared to the one we see

Anyway, how far into the game is tidus so I know where to stop?

red13n posted...

Anyway, how far into the game is tidus so I know where to stop?

I don't think he said anything more than he's really enjoying the story and would prefer spoilers to be light. Hopefully he shows up at some point and can answer this himself.

Also this response is way late, but I don't really get the point of claiming your role and asking us to guess what you can do, Isquen. Not saying I don't believe you, just not following the reasoning behind your claim.

red13n posted...

You take the role of the recently dead or you take the role of any dead you choose?

Whoever I choose

why did you take BP instead of bodyguard

So we currently have two full time bulletproof Townies is what I am being told. In a game of 13.

*turns to the camera*

and a commuter

That is a very good point. One of Mzero or Scare basically HAS to be scum, right?

(Or both?)

Browsing in bed.

A one-time "use their role" thing i would buy for town.

A multinight one? No way that would be a town role. And if you had taken bodyguard, you would've died if anyone had fired at Ulti, as claimed. I feel it would've taken precedence over the bulletproof, almost like a needless sacrifice. Or, you DO have that ability, as scum hades, and did it in case someone was a lookout, for example, so you can back up that claim.

My vote stays.

Tbh between Scare and Mzero I'd definitely pick Scare as the scum. And I absolutely don't see three town-friendly roles able to avoid dying at night. Hell, even two at once seems a little crazy.

##Vote: Scare

Isquen posted...

Browsing in bed.

A one-time "use their role" thing i would buy for town.

A multinight one? No way that would be a town role. And if you had taken bodyguard, you would've died if anyone had fired at Ulti, as claimed. I feel it would've taken precedence over the bulletproof, almost like a needless sacrifice. Or, you DO have that ability, as scum hades, and did it in case someone was a lookout, for example, so you can back up that claim.

My vote stays.

I didnt know Ulti was bulletproof night 1. That would be an idiotic play if I knew that

MZero posted...

why did you take BP instead of bodyguard

There's no one worth saving with bodyguard. Chris being alive day 3 is rule 1 so I expected him to die or be scum. Saving myself is more value to town at this point

MZero posted...

I was surprised no one considered that I was WoL and was janitored by scum Ulti and that's why no one counter claimed him (obviously this wasn't true)

How closely did you read yesterday? Or the first day...

Because why this didn't happen has been explained multiple times.

For what its worth I was going to target Miz so I could find out what he was and was unable to target an unknown flip, so BP was a no brainer after that

red13n posted...

How closely did you read yesterday? Or the first day...

Because why this didn't happen has been explained multiple times.

yes but I meant early on there were a lot of posts that said "Ulti claimed and wasn't countered" at first before the day 1 breadcrumbing stuff came up

Anyways Mzero, would you kindly link to where you tried to draw targets to yourself on day 1 so that I don't have to look.

(Ok well I wasn't being entirely truthful I already looked but I want to see you say it)

I didn't, not knowingly at least!

Why did you play your role the way you did then?

MZero posted...

yes but I meant early on there were a lot of posts that said "Ulti claimed and wasn't countered" at first before the day 1 breadcrumbing stuff came up

Was it even breadcrumbing? A video talking about killing Chaos is pretty much outright stating it.

(Videos are dumb please stop posting videos people)

red13n posted...

Why did you play your role the way you did then?

I was going to be busy most of Day 2 anyway so why not

In hindsight I should have tried to draw a shot but like what scum team is killing me night 1

red13n posted...

Was it even breadcrumbing? A video talking about killing Chaos is pretty much outright stating it.

(Videos are dumb please stop posting videos people)

i mean

i didnt even know WoL was in FF14

MikeTavish posted...

(Or both?)

It's not a question if Scare OR MZero is scum. It's a question if Scare AND MZero are scum.

Scare is scum or he has a very poorly thought out role, and the former seems a lot more likely. Scare has barely done anything this game in the first place and he's basically claiming a superpowered universal backup in a game with a flipped town BP.

MZero reappears and effectively claims second BP. He then immediately starts a train on Scare, who claims third BP. I had also already brought up how a commuter claim generally doesn't jive with a BP. Gambits where two scum claim similar power in succession are not all that uncommon.

The bone I have with MZero after seeing his interactions with Red:

He was barely active day 1. Made a bunch of useless posts, a "low-hanging fruit" vote that I called him out on, then he shifted his vote on Red and that was it. I don't remember him doing anything substantial. He claims to have used it because he'd barely be active day 2, except he was barely active day 1. He does nothing to hint, and nothing to attempt to be shot.

The sole reason he is claiming to have have "commuted" and disappeared for day 2 was for the sake of his own image. It's not a town mindset at all.

I feel worse about MZero and better about Red after that exchange.

Wouldnt scum who can remove themselves from the game be in the banned roles category?

save that role till lylo, go invisible, auto win?