Board 8 > We need to come up with a name for the "Souls-like" genre.

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foolm0r0n 02/07/22 1:48:39 PM #101:	HanOfTheNekos posted... Is the Zelda formula a metroidvania? The original ones were basically the exact same game in terms of level design. They kinda went their own ways but even the modern 3D ones are still pretty close. That's why I like the term exploration action. It encapsulates what's great about those series compared to other action adventures. Easily my fav genre for that reason. --- _foolmo_ he says listen to my story this maybe are last chance <cite>foolm0r0n posted [p:962441404] in We need to... [t:79885641]...</cite> <quote>HanOfTheNekos posted... </cite> <quote>Is the Zelda formula a metroidvania?</quote>The original ones were basically the exact same game in terms of level design. They kinda went their own ways but even the modern 3D ones are still pretty close. That's why I like the term exploration action. It encapsulates what's great about those series compared to other action adventures. Easily my fav genre for that reason. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FL81 02/07/22 1:57:28 PM #102:	"Action RPG" --- Thanks to Proofpyros for the sig images https://i.imgur.com/Nv4Pi1v.jpg https://i.imgur.com/N43HJYv.jpg <cite>FL81 posted [p:962441635] in We need to... [t:79885641]...</cite> <quote>"Action RPG" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kenri 02/07/22 2:02:16 PM #103:	Leonhart4 posted... So would Zelda II be a Metroidvania? If you don't require the game world to be seamless and interconnected then it fits every other requirement I think? I've taken to calling those games Zelda 2-likes because I feel like it better summarizes "action RPG with a world map and non-linear side scrolling levels" though --- Congrats to BKSheikah, who knows more about years than anyone else. <cite>Kenri posted [p:962441772] in We need to... [t:79885641]...</cite> <quote>Leonhart4 posted... </cite> <quote>So would Zelda II be a Metroidvania?</quote>If you don't require the game world to be seamless and interconnected then it fits every other requirement I think? I've taken to calling those games Zelda 2-likes because I feel like it better summarizes "action RPG with a world map and non-linear side scrolling levels" though </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
paperwarior 02/07/22 2:05:47 PM #104:	I like "exploration action" more than "search action" anyway. --- "God Hand is the ultimate expression of the joy of humanity, specifically the punching part of the joy of humanity."-Shigeru Miyamoto <cite>paperwarior posted [p:962441853] in We need to... [t:79885641]...</cite> <quote>I like "exploration action" more than "search action" anyway. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CasanovaZelos 02/07/22 2:14:18 PM #105:	I'm increasingly of the opinion that Souls-likes are just a 3D variant of Metroidvanias with a couple extra elements attached. "Search (or the better Exploration) Action" could easily describe both genres, and the extra elements are simply how the Souls games differentiated themselves from the genre at large. --- My top 100 games (with write-ups): https://foolfantastic.com/top-100-video-games-project/ Top 250 songs: https://foolfantastic.com/3290-2/ <cite>CasanovaZelos posted [p:962442077] in We need to... [t:79885641]...</cite> <quote>I'm increasingly of the opinion that Souls-likes are just a 3D variant of Metroidvanias with a couple extra elements attached. "Search (or the better Exploration) Action" could easily describe both genres, and the extra elements are simply how the Souls games differentiated themselves from the genre at large. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mac Arrowny 02/07/22 2:15:58 PM #106:	Plenty of 2D games are called Soulslikes so I don't think that's true. --- All the stars in the sky are waiting for you. <cite>Mac Arrowny posted [p:962442117] in We need to... [t:79885641]...</cite> <quote>Plenty of 2D games are called Soulslikes so I don't think that's true. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CasanovaZelos 02/07/22 2:26:40 PM #107:	The two 2D Soulslike games I know are also Metroidvanias, though --- My top 100 games (with write-ups): https://foolfantastic.com/top-100-video-games-project/ Top 250 songs: https://foolfantastic.com/3290-2/ <cite>CasanovaZelos posted [p:962442389] in We need to... [t:79885641]...</cite> <quote>The two 2D Soulslike games I know are also Metroidvanias, though </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KokoroAkechi 02/07/22 2:27:06 PM #108:	CARPG or Cryptic Action Role Playing Games <cite>KokoroAkechi posted [p:962442403] in We need to... [t:79885641]...</cite> <quote>CARPG or Cryptic Action Role Playing Games </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mac Arrowny 02/07/22 2:32:18 PM #109:	Anyway, I wouldn't say that being a Soulslike has anything to do with being a Metroidvania. I don't think Super Metroid and Demon's Souls have that much in common, other than maybe atmosphere. --- All the stars in the sky are waiting for you. <cite>Mac Arrowny posted [p:962442521] in We need to... [t:79885641]...</cite> <quote>Anyway, I wouldn't say that being a Soulslike has anything to do with being a Metroidvania. I don't think Super Metroid and Demon's Souls have that much in common, other than maybe atmosphere. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamikazePotato 02/07/22 2:40:05 PM #110:	Souls games don't have upgrades to the character that fundamentally change the way they play or move. --- It's Reyn Time. <cite>KamikazePotato posted [p:962442708] in We need to... [t:79885641]...</cite> <quote>Souls games don't have upgrades to the character that fundamentally change the way they play or move. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HanOfTheNekos 02/07/22 2:44:12 PM #111:	Kenri posted... Zelda has always been Metroidvania adjacent but it typically doesn't have the platforming elements, the focus on movement upgrades, or the seamless interconnected world. But if something like Bloodborne qualifies then imo Zelda absolutely does Zelda often has a lot of movement upgrades. --- "Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic <cite>HanOfTheNekos posted [p:962442802] in We need to... [t:79885641]...</cite> <quote>Kenri posted... </cite> <quote>Zelda has always been Metroidvania adjacent but it typically doesn't have the platforming elements, the focus on movement upgrades, or the seamless interconnected world. But if something like Bloodborne qualifies then imo Zelda absolutely does</quote> Zelda often has a lot of movement upgrades. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 02/07/22 2:46:54 PM #112:	KamikazePotato posted... Souls games don't have upgrades to the character that fundamentally change the way they play or move. dark souls 2 adaptability >_> /s --- May you find your book in this place. <cite>xp1337 posted [p:962442865] in We need to... [t:79885641]...</cite> <quote>KamikazePotato posted... </cite> <quote>Souls games don't have upgrades to the character that fundamentally change the way they play or move.</quote>dark souls 2 adaptability >_> /s </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroDelTiempo17 02/07/22 2:48:35 PM #113:	Seanchan posted... For Souls-likes, the question is "is it kinda hard and/or have a corpse run"? If yes, people consider it a Souls-like. This makes Shovel Knight a Souls-like. It's a vague descriptor, but there's more to it than that! --- I definitely did not forget to put the 2020 GOTD Guru winner, azuarc in my sig! <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:962442898] in We need to... [t:79885641]...</cite> <quote>Seanchan posted... </cite> <quote>For Souls-likes, the question is "is it kinda hard and/or have a corpse run"? If yes, people consider it a Souls-like.</quote> This makes Shovel Knight a Souls-like. It's a vague descriptor, but there's more to it than that! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
paperwarior 02/07/22 2:48:36 PM #114:	I was going to say the Souls+ series doesn't really have traversal upgrades. Just weapons, magic and shortcuts to be unlocked. --- "God Hand is the ultimate expression of the joy of humanity, specifically the punching part of the joy of humanity."-Shigeru Miyamoto <cite>paperwarior posted [p:962442899] in We need to... [t:79885641]...</cite> <quote>I was going to say the Souls+ series doesn't really have traversal upgrades. Just weapons, magic and shortcuts to be unlocked. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FFDragon 02/07/22 2:49:09 PM #115:	Roc's Feather and Pegasus Boots are like standard old school Zelda items that change movement --- If you wake up at a different time, in a different place, could you wake up as a different person? #theresafreakingghostafterus <cite>FFDragon posted [p:962442914] in We need to... [t:79885641]...</cite> <quote>Roc's Feather and Pegasus Boots are like standard old school Zelda items that change movement </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroDelTiempo17 02/07/22 2:50:50 PM #116:	also re: Zelda 2 being a Metroidvania Guess what game Iga based Symphony of the Night on! --- I definitely did not forget to put the 2020 GOTD Guru winner, azuarc in my sig! <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:962442949] in We need to... [t:79885641]...</cite> <quote>also re: Zelda 2 being a Metroidvania Guess what game Iga based Symphony of the Night on! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Seanchan 02/07/22 2:55:49 PM #117:	HeroDelTiempo17 posted... This makes Shovel Knight a Souls-like. It's a vague descriptor, but there's more to it than that! Didn't say I necessarily agree with my question, just that that's what it boils down to for a lot of people. Name me a game with a corpse run in the last 5 years that hasn't had that element called "Souls like". Also, funnily enough, the Shovel Knight devs say that Dark Souls was a big influence on their game. --- "That was unnecessarily dramatic". - NY Mets motto (courtesy of InnerTubeHero) Congratulations to azuarc, the guru of gurus and winner of GotD 2020! <cite>Seanchan posted [p:962443058] in We need to... [t:79885641]...</cite> <quote>HeroDelTiempo17 posted... </cite> <quote>This makes Shovel Knight a Souls-like. It's a vague descriptor, but there's more to it than that!</quote> Didn't say I necessarily agree with my question, just that that's what it boils down to for a lot of people. Name me a game with a corpse run in the last 5 years that hasn't had that element called "Souls like". Also, funnily enough, the Shovel Knight devs say that Dark Souls was a big influence on their game. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FFDragon 02/07/22 3:05:43 PM #118:	Seanchan posted... Name me a game with a corpse run in the last 5 years that hasn't had that element called "Souls like". Whatever WoW expansion we're on? --- If you wake up at a different time, in a different place, could you wake up as a different person? #theresafreakingghostafterus <cite>FFDragon posted [p:962443322] in We need to... [t:79885641]...</cite> <quote>Seanchan posted... </cite> <quote>Name me a game with a corpse run in the last 5 years that hasn't had that element called "Souls like".</quote> Whatever WoW expansion we're on? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 02/07/22 3:19:41 PM #119:	FFDragon posted... Whatever WoW expansion we're on? pvp griefers are basically invaders it's a soulslike --- May you find your book in this place. <cite>xp1337 posted [p:962443680] in We need to... [t:79885641]...</cite> <quote>FFDragon posted... </cite> <quote>Whatever WoW expansion we're on?</quote>pvp griefers are basically invaders it's a soulslike </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 02/07/22 3:39:49 PM #120:	Zelda has movement upgrades but I wouldn't say there's a focus on them --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:962444204] in We need to... [t:79885641]...</cite> <quote>Zelda has movement upgrades but I wouldn't say there's a focus on them </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GuessMyUserName 02/07/22 3:44:58 PM #121:	bring the pegasus boots to 3d zelda you cowards --- I request affiliated many pipes. Been a bad girl, I know I am. And I'm so hot, I need a fan. I don't want a boy, I need a man. <cite>GuessMyUserName posted [p:962444334] in We need to... [t:79885641]...</cite> <quote>bring the pegasus boots to 3d zelda you cowards </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HanOfTheNekos 02/07/22 3:46:07 PM #122:	I was thinking of the Oracle games when I first pitched Zelda. From the animals to the Roc's stuff to hookshots and magnets and stuff. You can even view the Rod of Seasons/Lyre of Ages as warping the environment to enable exploration - not directly movement based all the time, but has that element of key-unlock that exploractions have. Then you've got Wind Waker where half of the items are for movement. --- "Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic <cite>HanOfTheNekos posted [p:962444368] in We need to... [t:79885641]...</cite> <quote>I was thinking of the Oracle games when I first pitched Zelda. From the animals to the Roc's stuff to hookshots and magnets and stuff. You can even view the Rod of Seasons/Lyre of Ages as warping the environment to enable exploration - not directly movement based all the time, but has that element of key-unlock that exploractions have. Then you've got Wind Waker where half of the items are for movement. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mac Arrowny 02/07/22 4:00:07 PM #123:	GuessMyUserName posted... bring the pegasus boots to 3d zelda you cowards I've been wanting this to happen since 1998 --- All the stars in the sky are waiting for you. <cite>Mac Arrowny posted [p:962444748] in We need to... [t:79885641]...</cite> <quote>GuessMyUserName posted... </cite> <quote>bring the pegasus boots to 3d zelda you cowards</quote>I've been wanting this to happen since 1998 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
imthestuntman 02/07/22 4:20:02 PM #124:	Hbthebattle posted... Metroidvania for the former soulslikes Soulslike for the former metroidvanias What about roguelikes and roguelites? --- :) <cite>imthestuntman posted [p:962445300] in We need to... [t:79885641]...</cite> <quote>Hbthebattle posted... </cite> <quote>Metroidvania for the former soulslikes Soulslike for the former metroidvanias</quote>What about roguelikes and roguelites? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Seanchan 02/07/22 4:56:01 PM #125:	FFDragon posted... Whatever WoW expansion we're on? You know, I almost added "non-MMO" to my post but then I didn't. How about a non-MMO then? --- "That was unnecessarily dramatic". - NY Mets motto (courtesy of InnerTubeHero) Congratulations to azuarc, the guru of gurus and winner of GotD 2020! <cite>Seanchan posted [p:962446174] in We need to... [t:79885641]...</cite> <quote>FFDragon posted... </cite> <quote>Whatever WoW expansion we're on?</quote> You know, I almost added "non-MMO" to my post but then I didn't. How about a non-MMO then? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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imthestuntman 02/08/22 12:54:05 AM #127:	HeroDelTiempo17 posted... also re: Zelda 2 being a Metroidvania Guess what game Iga based Symphony of the Night on! Doesnt that support the idea that Zelda 2 is a metroidvania? :) --- :) <cite>imthestuntman posted [p:962457428] in We need to... [t:79885641]...</cite> <quote>HeroDelTiempo17 posted... </cite> <quote>also re: Zelda 2 being a Metroidvania Guess what game Iga based Symphony of the Night on!</quote>Doesnt that support the idea that Zelda 2 is a metroidvania? :) </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KokoroAkechi 02/08/22 1:08:13 AM #128:	UltimaterializerX posted... The corpse run thing is older than Souls. Did Diablo invent that? The earliest game I know that has it is ultima online <cite>KokoroAkechi posted [p:962457674] in We need to... [t:79885641]...</cite> <quote>UltimaterializerX posted... </cite> <quote>The corpse run thing is older than Souls. Did Diablo invent that?</quote> The earliest game I know that has it is ultima online </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Board 8 > We need to come up with a name for the "Souls-like" genre.