Current Events > Some people literally get triggered by the fact that humans == animals

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There was a topic over on the NFL board think that this upcoming Super Bowl will be the first time each mascot will be an animal that does not include a horse.

I corrected the TC by letting them know that humans are, in fact, animals

Several people immediately started going ape shit (no pun intended lol )

Anyone who has taken a grade school level biology course knows that its a scientific fact that humans are animals.

Some dude basically said, Look at your CAT and then look at your MOTHER AND FATHER DO YOU NOT SEE THE DIFFERENCE??

Amazing how people get upset about biological facts.

Did anybody hit you with the "aKcHuAlLYyyyy"?

I get that shit whenever I try to correct or educate someone about science.its annoying. It's like they don't care to learn anything or know the truth.

@Ar0ge this was his exact response:

Look at your cat. Your dog. The cow or the horse on your TV or your phone. For that matter look at a chimp or a gorilla. Really look. And then look at your mother, your father, your sibling... Really look.

Be honest and tell me that you cannot see a CATEGORICAL difference. Be honest and tell me that, in any real or meaningful way, your cat as a broad category is indistinguishable from your father. Tell me that to you, they are in any actual actionable way "the same thing", just to different degrees. That is hogwash and you KNOW it.

Moreover, tell me that if a complete and total stranger (a person, a human being) was drowning and that right beside them was an animal, even your pet, and you could only save one... tell me that you would even hesitate in your decision.

Sure it may sound cool, and you may try and convince yourself that you would save the animal, which I highly highly doubt, but even in this pretense you are unwittingly admitting the difference and siding with the animal for whatever misguided and ludicrous reason you'd care to cite.

No, you just as I, undoubtedly know the difference between humans and animals no matter how much your version of religion wants to try and deny it.

Be educated.

That's just because everyone hates you there.

With good reason.

@Unknown5uspect

By good reason you mean that people get upset about the truth.

Kind of like how people get upset when you remind them that humans ARE animals.

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It is usually only religious people who freak out about this. Because they are taught we humans are special somehow

Animal has multiple definitions. They were using a different definition than yours.

Zikten posted...

It is usually only religious people who freak out about this. Because they are taught we humans are special somehow

This. My religious mom gets triggered when I say it sometimes, lol.

Zikten posted...

It is usually only religious people who freak out about this. Because they are taught we humans are special somehow

yeah you might be right about this

Humans are only animals if you subscribe to an atheistic worldview

@WorsCaseOntario

Wrong.

Humans are animals no matter what you believe.

Humans are as animal as any other animal. But you know damn well that in casual usage animal refers specifically to non-human animals. If you were to ask "hey were there lots of animals at the zoo?" and someone replied, not in jest but in earnest, "What a bizarre thing to say! Of course there were lots of animals. Humans alone were everywhere!" you'd wonder what the fuck is wrong with them.

AloneIBreak posted...

Humans are as animal as any other animal. But you know damn well that in casual usage animal refers specifically to non-human animals. If you were to ask "hey were there lots of animals at the zoo?" and someone replied, not in jest but in earnest, "What a bizarre thing to say! Of course there were lots of animals. Humans alone were everywhere!" you'd wonder what the fuck is wrong with them.

Right. Non-human species in the animal kingdom is one definition of animal. It is not incorrect to use animal in that manner.

AloneIBreak posted...

Humans are as animal as any other animal. But you know damn well that in casual usage animal refers specifically to non-human animals. If you were to ask "hey were there lots of animals at the zoo?" and someone replied, not in jest but in earnest, "What a bizarre thing to say! Of course there were lots of animals. Humans alone were everywhere!" you'd wonder what the fuck is wrong with them.

An intelligent person would simply comment on the diversity of animals.

I can't believe this is a topic of discussion right now...

Ar0ge posted...

I can't believe this is a topic of discussion right now...

Yeah People starting to squirm in their seat because they dont want to accept biology.

Is tc a new livinglegend alt?

RenescoStCewl posted...

Is tc a new livinglegend alt?

why do you say that?

UT1999 posted...

why do you say that?

Im making too much sense.

YWS-is-King posted...

Im making too much sense.

yeah, i have no problem with what you said.

Human beings are not widely accepted as "animals". Even the evolutionary ancestry thing is still just a really really really strong theory, because we aren't super clear on a few of the details. Lots of missing links in the reptile/insectoid/amphibian life to mammal or avian. Tbh.

Anyway, all else aside, we make a distinction between flora & fauna based pretty much on Intelligence & locomotion. Those are the main differences. Plants dont walk upright. They don't talk. Y'know?

....We are unlike any other creature on earth. We are smart. We wear clothing.

Sure, youre genetically pretty close to a chimp, but then again...

Well, it's almost like saying you ARE your mother and father. For some people this is more true than others, but in no way are you literally the same organism. Part of us is animal. Part of us is not. At this point, I think scientifically the human race could best be described as.....

Higher plane-reaching cyborgs. Very, very primitive cyborgs.

There are those who subscribe purely to higher planes vs those who subscribe purely to cyborg life

Xethuminra posted...

Human beings are not widely accepted as "animals". Even the evolutionary ancestry thing is still just a really really really strong theory, because we aren't super clear on a few of the details. Lots of missing links in the reptile/insectoid/amphibian life to mammal or avian. Tbh.

Anyway, all else aside, we make a distinction between flora & fauna based pretty much on Intelligence & locomotion. Those are the main differences. Plants dont walk upright. They don't talk. Y'know?

....We are unlike any other creature on earth. We are smart. We wear clothing.

Sure, youre genetically pretty close to a chimp, but then again...

Well, it's almost like saying you ARE your mother and father. For some people this is more true than others, but in no way are you literally the same organism. Part of us is animal. Part of us is not. At this point, I think scientifically the human race could best be described as.....

Higher plane-reaching cyborgs. Very, very primitive cyborgs.

There are those who subscribe purely to higher planes vs those who subscribe purely to cyborg life

are you very religious? do you believe in evolution?

@Xethuminra

None of what you just said is true.

Humans are animals.

This is not a theory; its a fact.

Linguistically, you're technically incorrect:

The top definition of animal is:
1 : a living thing that is not a human being or plant
(https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/animal)

Biologically, you're correct - but the biological definition comes from the Latin term animalis having breath which itself is from the Latin anima breath

YWS-is-King posted...

@Xethuminra

None of what you just said is true.

Humans are animals.

This is not a theory; its a fact.

yeah i completely agree

@coolguyjimmy

I am correct linguistically AND biologically.

Human descended from animal =\= human is animal

How did life begin btw? Who is to say that humans aren't an animal's true form?

coolguyjimmy posted...

Linguistically, you're technically incorrect:

"Technically"? How does one be literally triggered?

Xethuminra posted...

Human beings are not widely accepted as "animals". Even the evolutionary ancestry thing is still just a really really really strong theory, because we aren't super clear on a few of the details. Lots of missing links in the reptile/insectoid/amphibian life to mammal or avian. Tbh.

Anyway, all else aside, we make a distinction between flora & fauna based pretty much on Intelligence & locomotion. Those are the main differences. Plants dont walk upright. They don't talk. Y'know?

....We are unlike any other creature on earth. We are smart. We wear clothing.

Sure, youre genetically pretty close to a chimp, but then again...

Well, it's almost like saying you ARE your mother and father. For some people this is more true than others, but in no way are you literally the same organism. Part of us is animal. Part of us is not. At this point, I think scientifically the human race could best be described as.....

Higher plane-reaching cyborgs. Very, very primitive cyborgs.

There are those who subscribe purely to higher planes vs those who subscribe purely to cyborg life

Some of this is actually really wrong...

We don't differentiate between flora and fauna based on just intelligence and locomotion... Those are NOT the main difference.

Also.... A scientific THEORY isn't "just a theory...." It's the highest level an idea can be elevated to in science.

Evolution is a fact. No questions about it.

We also have tons of evidence and transitional fossils ESPECIALLY from reptile to birds. So that statement is just false.

@Xethuminra

The definition of animal is A living organism that feeds on organic matter.

Humans are, by definition, animals.

There is no way to dispute this.

Ar0ge posted...

Some of this is actually really wrong...

We don't differentiate between flora and fauna based on just intelligence and locomotion... Those are NOT the main difference.

Also.... A scientific THEORY isn't "just a theory.... It's the highest level an idea can be elevated to in science.

Evolution is a fact. No questions about it.

What is the main difference? Do you make a distinction between bacteria & fauna? We have native bacteria. That doesn't make you a fungus or whatever XD

Evolution is a theory. A theory is a theory. We have evidence. The evidence is a fact. Genetics are a fact.

YWS-is-King posted...

@Xethuminra

The definition of animal is A living organism that feeds on organic matter.

Humans are, by definition, animals.

There is no way to dispute this.

YWS-is-King posted...

@Xethuminra

The definition of animal is A living organism that feeds on organic matter.

Humans are, by definition, animals.

There is no way to dispute this.

You have just described a Venus Fly-trap

Xethuminra posted...

You have just described a Venus Fly-trap

No because they synthesize their food with photosynthesis.

YWS-is-King posted...

Amazing how people get upset about biological facts.

You're talking about a country that literally hates education, science and facts.

Also, XD

What would constitute a non-living organism? Oxymoron

Xethuminra posted...

What is the main difference? Do you make a distinction between bacteria & fauna? We have native bacteria. That doesn't make you a fungus or whatever XD

Evolution is a theory. A theory is a theory. We have evidence. The evidence is a fact. Genetics are a fact.

We actually do make a distinction between bacteria and fauna. To start, bacteria are NOT animals. Bacteria is its own separate category of life along with plants, animals, and if you didn't know, fungi.

And please please PLEASE educate yourself on what a scientific theory actually means. Because it does not mean what you think it does.

For example, gravity is a scientific theory. But you wouldn't say gravity is not a fact. So why make that mistake with evolution?

Xethuminra posted...

Also, XD

What would constitute a non-living organism? Oxymoron

Viruses typically can be classified as both depending on who you want to mess with.

hawt animal on animal action

human male on human female

UT1999 posted...

why do you say that?

YWS-is-King posted...

Im making too much sense.

Oof, that's a yes.

UT1999 posted...

why do you say that?

Because he's hated on the NFL board. I agree with him here. I just wanted conformation so I am not suprised when he gets all creepy.

"humans == animals" is false

"animals.Contains(humans)" is true

Ar0ge posted...

We actually do make a distinction between bacteria and fauna. To start, bacteria are NOT animals. Bacteria is its own separate category of life along with plants, animals, and if you didn't know, fungi.

And please please PLEASE educate yourself on what a scientific theory actually means. Because it does not mean what you think it does.

For example, gravity is a scientific theory. But you wouldn't say gravity is not a fact. So why make that mistake with evolution?

Ar0ge posted...

We actually do make a distinction between bacteria and fauna. To start, bacteria are NOT animals. Bacteria is its own separate category of life along with plants, animals, and if you didn't know, fungi.

And please please PLEASE educate yourself on what a scientific theory actually means. Because it does not mean what you think it does.

For example, gravity is a scientific theory. But you wouldn't say gravity is not a fact. So why make that mistake with evolution?

I feel like you have to be arguing disingenuously here....

Gravity exists. It's clearly demonstratable.

Exactly what gravity is.... Remains in theory and actually in that case, largely theory.

Also, the discussion of extraterrestrial life seems to differentiate between sentient & non-sentient, or advanced life. Do we not give ourselves the same distinction?

For example btw

If something non-evolutionary like mutation or tampering occurred to create human biology, one could argue that we did not come purely from an evolutionary background. When we genetically alter a something in a lab, is that evolution? Are we coaxing and manipulating evolution?

Xethuminra posted...

I feel like you have to be arguing disingenuously here....

MFing lol.

ellis123 posted...

MFing lol.

<__>

Wot

Xethuminra posted...

I feel like you have to be arguing disingenuously here....

Gravity exists. It's clearly demonstratable.

Exactly what gravity is.... Remains in theory and actually in that case, largely theory.

Also, the discussion of extraterrestrial life seems to differentiate between sentient & non-sentient, or advanced life. Do we not give ourselves the same distinction?

For example btw

If something non-evolutionary like mutation or tampering occurred to create human biology, one could argue that we did not come purely from an evolutionary background. When we genetically alter a something in a lab, is that evolution? Are we coaxing and manipulating evolution?

Man, I'm REALLY trying here. I'm not being disingenuous. I'm genuinely trying to teach you something here. But I can only do so much. If you are unwilling to meet me half way, I don't know why I keep trying honestly.

Right now, do yourself a favor and look up/research what a scientific theory is, and how it's different from the common use of the word "theory". Until you do that and TRULY understand the difference, I fear this conversation will continue to go no where.

By the way, evolution is also demonstrable. And yes we have manipulated it and have been doing it for thousands of years with agriculture and dog breeding.

Pretty much none of the vegitables and fruits you eat are found naturally in the wild. They are a product of thousands of years of selective breeding.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6nekgzaa5I

For many of us, what our bodies are born with is not necessarily more important than what we learn, where we are born, and how we train our minds. For many people, THAT is human. The ability to empower yourself through education, and live in an advanced society, to drive a car, to vote, to discover who you want to be a take charge of that development. These are simply not goals which other creatures on earth will directly identify with on an individual level at least. Even relatively complex social structures in various animals (like apes or dolphins or ants) lack the sheer complexity of a human on both a philosophical level and a technological level, and

As far as I'm aware, we can tell it either coincides with OR predates the ice age. Those are some big shoes we're stepping in here. Have people changed much since then? How about the rest of life on Earth? Part of me wants to say human was biology's way of saying evolution isn't good enough, if you can see the irony there.

Ar0ge posted...

For example, gravity is a scientific theory. But you wouldn't say gravity is not a fact. So why make that mistake with evolution?

Religion, sir. Id bet a not small amount of money the answer to your question is religion.

Ive had so many of these conversations with theists before and listened to enough angry callers and interviewees upset at evolution, that its clear they do not understand what a scientific theory is, so it must be god did it. The Catholic Church does generally accept evolution though, although a bunch of their members dont seem to be aware of that.