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IMNOTRAGED 02/11/22 5:55:11 PM #101:	WingsOfGood posted... Do you guys also assume multiverse theory is a conspiracy? People who believe there are other dimensions are just like fake moon landing people and so are religious people? The likelihood of a multiverse is based on actual math, more or less in the same way that Einstein predicted the existence of black holes. --- http://i.imgur.com/kkm3QaD.jpg "Be ruthless with systems; be kind to people." <cite>IMNOTRAGED posted [p:962570106] in Christians... [t:79894410]...</cite> <quote>WingsOfGood posted... </cite> <quote>Do you guys also assume multiverse theory is a conspiracy? People who believe there are other dimensions are just like fake moon landing people and so are religious people?</quote> The likelihood of a multiverse is based on actual math, more or less in the same way that Einstein predicted the existence of black holes. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shishiwakamaru 02/11/22 6:09:54 PM #102:	hockeybub89 posted... The proper response to not knowing an answer is "I don't know", not "Well no one knows, so I'm gonna guess and have faith I'm right." The real question is what makes religion special? People will scrutinize or mock all kinds of illogical beliefs, but if you do that to religion, it's suddenly taboo. Because it is a very touchy and controversial subject that very few people agree on. Why can you not mock someone's religious beliefs, and if you are questioning them directly, why does your first response have to be "Imagine believing... Islam and Judaism and everything else are just as fucking silly when you really think about." Like I said, I'm totally cool with other people's religious or cosmological beliefs. But it's pretty clear that you and several other people here are not, and that is something YOU need to work on. Live and let live. --- You've got to change your evil ways <cite>Shishiwakamaru posted [p:962570492] in Christians... [t:79894410]...</cite> <quote>hockeybub89 posted... </cite> <quote>The proper response to not knowing an answer is "I don't know", not "Well no one knows, so I'm gonna guess and have faith I'm right." The real question is what makes religion special? People will scrutinize or mock all kinds of illogical beliefs, but if you do that to religion, it's suddenly taboo.</quote> Because it is a very touchy and controversial subject that very few people agree on. Why can you not mock someone's religious beliefs, and if you are questioning them directly, why does your first response have to be "Imagine believing... Islam and Judaism and everything else are just as fucking silly when you really think about." Like I said, I'm totally cool with other people's religious or cosmological beliefs. But it's pretty clear that you and several other people here are not, and that is something YOU need to work on. Live and let live. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Medussa 02/11/22 6:27:07 PM #103:	Shishiwakamaru posted... Live and let live. mmmm, ironing --- Boom! That's right, this is all happening! You cannot change the channel now! Ooh-hoo-hoo! Here comes violence! <cite>Medussa posted [p:962570886] in Christians... [t:79894410]...</cite> <quote>Shishiwakamaru posted... </cite> <quote>Live and let live.</quote> mmmm, ironing </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 02/11/22 6:35:22 PM #104:	Shishiwakamaru posted... Because it is a very touchy and controversial subject that very few people agree on. Why can you not mock someone's religious beliefs, and if you are questioning them directly, why does your first response have to be "Imagine believing... Islam and Judaism and everything else are just as fucking silly when you really think about." Like I said, I'm totally cool with other people's religious or cosmological beliefs. But it's pretty clear that you and several other people here are not, and that is something YOU need to work on. Live and let live. Ok, but what makes it touchy and more controversial than other illogical, unscientific beliefs? And part of that post was a direct response to Vy crying about how only Christianity gets criticized. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:962571104] in Christians... [t:79894410]...</cite> <quote>Shishiwakamaru posted... </cite> <quote>Because it is a very touchy and controversial subject that very few people agree on. Why can you not mock someone's religious beliefs, and if you are questioning them directly, why does your first response have to be "Imagine believing... Islam and Judaism and everything else are just as fucking silly when you really think about." Like I said, I'm totally cool with other people's religious or cosmological beliefs. But it's pretty clear that you and several other people here are not, and that is something YOU need to work on. Live and let live.</quote>Ok, but what makes it touchy and more controversial than other illogical, unscientific beliefs? And part of that post was a direct response to Vy crying about how only Christianity gets criticized. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shishiwakamaru 02/11/22 6:47:36 PM #105:	hockeybub89 posted... Ok, but what makes it touchy and more controversial than other illogical, unscientific beliefs? And part of that post was a direct response to Vy crying about how only Christianity gets criticized. Because it's such an inherent part of so many human cultures. I feel strongly about my beliefs but I don't preach them because nobody wants to hear that. --- You've got to change your evil ways <cite>Shishiwakamaru posted [p:962571397] in Christians... [t:79894410]...</cite> <quote>hockeybub89 posted... </cite> <quote>Ok, but what makes it touchy and more controversial than other illogical, unscientific beliefs? And part of that post was a direct response to Vy crying about how only Christianity gets criticized.</quote> Because it's such an inherent part of so many human cultures. I feel strongly about my beliefs but I don't preach them because nobody wants to hear that. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Imit8m3 02/11/22 6:54:53 PM #106:	Religion is like a penis. It's fine to have one and it's fine to be proud of it, but please don't whip it out in public and start waving it around. And PLEASE don't try to shove it down my children's throat. --- Buy $SHIB. <cite>Imit8m3 posted [p:962571567] in Christians... [t:79894410]...</cite> <quote>Religion is like a penis. It's fine to have one and it's fine to be proud of it, but please don't whip it out in public and start waving it around. And PLEASE don't try to shove it down my children's throat. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Marauder64 02/11/22 7:08:19 PM #107:	The Epistle of Paul to the Romans Chap. 10 : 14-18 states(Christian Standard version): 14 "How, then, can they call on him they have not believed in? And how can they believe without hearing about him? And how can they hear without a preacher? 15 And how can they preach unless they are sent? As it is written: How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news. 16 But not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, Lord, who has believed our message? 17 So faith comes from what is heard, and what is heard comes through the message about Christ. 18 But I ask, Did they not hear? Yes, they did: Their voice has gone out to the whole earth, and their words to the ends of the world." "Whipping it out" and waving it around in public is essentially what the early believers did. It's an important message honestly. Now whether a person receives it properly or not is another story..... --- What our enemies have begun, we will finish <cite>Marauder64 posted [p:962571881] in Christians... [t:79894410]...</cite> <quote>The Epistle of Paul to the Romans Chap. 10 : 14-18 states(Christian Standard version): 14 "How, then, can they call on him they have not believed in? And how can they believe without hearing about him? And how can they hear without a preacher? 15 And how can they preach unless they are sent? As it is written: How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news. 16 But not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, Lord, who has believed our message? 17 So faith comes from what is heard, and what is heard comes through the message about Christ. 18 But I ask, Did they not hear? Yes, they did: Their voice has gone out to the whole earth, and their words to the ends of the world." "Whipping it out" and waving it around in public is essentially what the early believers did. It's an important message honestly. Now whether a person receives it properly or not is another story..... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IMNOTRAGED 02/11/22 7:11:10 PM #108:	Marauder64 posted... As it is written: How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news This is pretty funny given how often references to feet in the Bible are actually talking about dicks --- http://i.imgur.com/kkm3QaD.jpg "Be ruthless with systems; be kind to people." <cite>IMNOTRAGED posted [p:962571957] in Christians... [t:79894410]...</cite> <quote>Marauder64 posted... </cite> <quote>As it is written: How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news</quote> This is pretty funny given how often references to feet in the Bible are actually talking about dicks </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
YugiNoob 02/11/22 7:15:36 PM #109:	This is generally how I feel, but with Christianity instead of Mormonism https://youtu.be/wjl7k-cES4E --- @taylorswift13 I want to rub my junk over every square inch of your body taylor - No_U_L7 <cite>YugiNoob posted [p:962572072] in Christians... [t:79894410]...</cite> <quote>This is generally how I feel, but with Christianity instead of Mormonism https://youtu.be/wjl7k-cES4E </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheOtherMike 02/11/22 7:19:09 PM #110:	Shishiwakamaru posted... Because it's such an inherent part of so many human cultures. I feel strongly about my beliefs but I don't preach them because nobody wants to hear that. So you literally want special treatment for religion exclusively. No pointing out facts like "faith is contradictory to science" because it might hurt your feelings. At least I finally got the answer to my question. <cite>TheOtherMike posted [p:962572153] in Christians... [t:79894410]...</cite> <quote>Shishiwakamaru posted... </cite> <quote>Because it's such an inherent part of so many human cultures. I feel strongly about my beliefs but I don't preach them because nobody wants to hear that.</quote> So you literally want special treatment for religion exclusively. No pointing out facts like "faith is contradictory to science" because it might hurt your feelings. At least I finally got the answer to my question. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MrMallard 02/11/22 7:20:12 PM #111:	People believe anti-vax bullshit on Facebook because it's the voice of Todd. --- But for you I came this far across the tracks, 10 miles above the limit with no seatbelt Now Playing: Minecraft, Pokemon BD, World Flipper <cite>MrMallard posted [p:962572179] in Christians... [t:79894410]...</cite> <quote>People believe anti-vax bullshit on Facebook because it's the voice of Todd. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shishiwakamaru 02/11/22 8:58:39 PM #112:	Kloe_Rinz posted... and youre wrong. Just because you want to feel like you were attacked doesnt mean you were. If you dont like the implications behind religion being called anti-science, I cant help you. You are simply wrong to say that religion is anti-science. And it is an absurd thing to say because if God does exist, then God must cooperate with science. And you cant just claim that God doesnt exist. So unless you want to try understanding my beliefs instead of mocking them, we are at a total stalemate. --- You've got to change your evil ways <cite>Shishiwakamaru posted [p:962574611] in Christians... [t:79894410]...</cite> <quote>Kloe_Rinz posted... </cite> <quote>and youre wrong. Just because you want to feel like you were attacked doesnt mean you were. If you dont like the implications behind religion being called anti-science, I cant help you.</quote> You are simply wrong to say that religion is anti-science. And it is an absurd thing to say because if God does exist, then God must cooperate with science. And you cant just claim that God doesnt exist. So unless you want to try understanding my beliefs instead of mocking them, we are at a total stalemate. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
0x4B616E6A6F 02/11/22 9:03:23 PM #113:	This is why personally I believe faith is way more important than religion. Religion is man's interpretation of faith dictated to others. We are flawed beings. Thousands of years of telephone + corruption isn't a reliable way to base your faith. I personally believe if you believe in God, he will make himself evident to you the way you see Him. He has the ability to transcend all interpretations and religions. You just need to have faith and keep your mind and spirituality open. <cite>0x4B616E6A6F posted [p:962574725] in Christians... [t:79894410]...</cite> <quote>This is why personally I believe faith is way more important than religion. Religion is man's interpretation of faith dictated to others. We are flawed beings. Thousands of years of telephone + corruption isn't a reliable way to base your faith. I personally believe if you believe in God, he will make himself evident to you the way you see Him. He has the ability to transcend all interpretations and religions. You just need to have faith and keep your mind and spirituality open. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DirkDiggles 02/11/22 9:04:48 PM #114:	Caution999 posted... What's even weirder is they don't seem to acknowledge that bashing Christianity is also, in a way, bashing Judaism since half the religion is based off the Old Testament. Wait, I thought the Old Testament doesn't exist to the Christians.....The same ones who murdered millions in the name of their lord because they wouldn't convert, or were branded as heretics, or labeled as witches. How's it feel knowing that your religion is just as messed up as Islam? --- Intel 486, Integrated videocard, 16MB RAM, 64MB HD, 3 1/4 inch floppy <cite>DirkDiggles posted [p:962574760] in Christians... [t:79894410]...</cite> <quote>Caution999 posted... </cite> <quote>What's even weirder is they don't seem to acknowledge that bashing Christianity is also, in a way, bashing Judaism since half the religion is based off the Old Testament.</quote> Wait, I thought the Old Testament doesn't exist to the Christians.....The same ones who murdered millions in the name of their lord because they wouldn't convert, or were branded as heretics, or labeled as witches. How's it feel knowing that your religion is just as messed up as Islam? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheOtherMike 02/11/22 9:06:51 PM #115:	Shishiwakamaru posted... You are simply wrong to say that religion is anti-science. He is not. It has been explained to you multiple times by multiple users in no uncertain terms exactly how religion is objectively anti-science, and you refuse to address these. Simply saying "religion isn't anti-science" doesn't change the indisputable reality that it is. Stating this indisputable fact is not an "attack" or "mockery." You are wrong, full stop. You are literally playing the stereotypical religious "victim" who can't handle any scrutiny of his faith whatsoever. If you can't ingest differing views about religion without calling them "attacks" then you should probably not have posted in this topic. Or anywhere else on the internet. <cite>TheOtherMike posted [p:962574805] in Christians... [t:79894410]...</cite> <quote>Shishiwakamaru posted... </cite> <quote>You are simply wrong to say that religion is anti-science.</quote> He is not. It has been explained to you multiple times by multiple users in no uncertain terms exactly how religion is objectively anti-science, and you refuse to address these. Simply saying "religion isn't anti-science" doesn't change the indisputable reality that it is. Stating this indisputable fact is not an "attack" or "mockery." You are wrong, full stop. You are literally playing the stereotypical religious "victim" who can't handle any scrutiny of his faith whatsoever. If you can't ingest differing views about religion without calling them "attacks" then you should probably not have posted in this topic. Or anywhere else on the internet. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
0x4B616E6A6F 02/11/22 9:08:58 PM #116:	DirkDiggles posted... Wait, I thought the Old Testament doesn't exist to the Christians.....The same ones who murdered millions in the name of their lord because they wouldn't convert, or were branded as heretics, or labeled as witches. How's it feel knowing that your religion is just as messed up as Islam? The Old Testament and The New Testament is supposed to go hand in hand. Supposed to go. Different religions based off Christianity (Catholicism, Protestant, Baptist, etc.) then disagree and prioritize certain texts over others. Some take parts more literally than others. When you focus on religion more than faith, you tend to believe in things that apparently happened instead of seeing the metaphors of God's teachings. All religions are guilty of this. They all are rooted in human beliefs and since God is an infinitely greater power than we are, they all must be flawed. <cite>0x4B616E6A6F posted [p:962574873] in Christians... [t:79894410]...</cite> <quote>DirkDiggles posted... </cite> <quote>Wait, I thought the Old Testament doesn't exist to the Christians.....The same ones who murdered millions in the name of their lord because they wouldn't convert, or were branded as heretics, or labeled as witches. How's it feel knowing that your religion is just as messed up as Islam?</quote> The Old Testament and The New Testament is supposed to go hand in hand. Supposed to go. Different religions based off Christianity (Catholicism, Protestant, Baptist, etc.) then disagree and prioritize certain texts over others. Some take parts more literally than others. When you focus on religion more than faith, you tend to believe in things that apparently happened instead of seeing the metaphors of God's teachings. All religions are guilty of this. They all are rooted in human beliefs and since God is an infinitely greater power than we are, they all must be flawed. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Imit8m3 02/11/22 9:11:33 PM #117:	TheOtherMike posted... He is not. It has been explained to you multiple times by multiple users in no uncertain terms exactly how religion is objectively anti-science, and you refuse to address these. Simply saying "religion isn't anti-science" doesn't change the indisputable reality that it is. Stating this indisputable fact is not an "attack" or "mockery." You are wrong, full stop. You are literally playing the stereotypical religious "victim" who can't handle any scrutiny of his faith whatsoever. If you can't ingest differing views about religion without calling them "attacks" then you should probably not have posted in this topic. Or anywhere else on the internet. --- Buy $SHIB. <cite>Imit8m3 posted [p:962574939] in Christians... [t:79894410]...</cite> <quote>TheOtherMike posted... </cite> <quote>He is not. It has been explained to you multiple times by multiple users in no uncertain terms exactly how religion is objectively anti-science, and you refuse to address these. Simply saying "religion isn't anti-science" doesn't change the indisputable reality that it is. Stating this indisputable fact is not an "attack" or "mockery." You are wrong, full stop. You are literally playing the stereotypical religious "victim" who can't handle any scrutiny of his faith whatsoever. If you can't ingest differing views about religion without calling them "attacks" then you should probably not have posted in this topic. Or anywhere else on the internet.</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
0x4B616E6A6F 02/11/22 9:12:59 PM #118:	Believing in God is not anti-science at all. God invented science. <cite>0x4B616E6A6F posted [p:962574980] in Christians... [t:79894410]...</cite> <quote>Believing in God is not anti-science at all. God invented science. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheOtherMike 02/11/22 9:17:14 PM #119:	0x4B616E6A6F posted... Believing in God is not anti-science at all. Sorry, but that's wrong for all the reasons already laid out itt. <cite>TheOtherMike posted [p:962575101] in Christians... [t:79894410]...</cite> <quote>0x4B616E6A6F posted... </cite> <quote>Believing in God is not anti-science at all.</quote> Sorry, but that's wrong for all the reasons already laid out itt. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DirkDiggles 02/11/22 9:17:57 PM #120:	0x4B616E6A6F posted... Believing in God is not anti-science at all. God invented science. Man invented science. Man also invented God, too. --- Intel 486, Integrated videocard, 16MB RAM, 64MB HD, 3 1/4 inch floppy <cite>DirkDiggles posted [p:962575117] in Christians... [t:79894410]...</cite> <quote>0x4B616E6A6F posted... </cite> <quote>Believing in God is not anti-science at all. God invented science.</quote> Man invented science. Man also invented God, too. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dathrowed1 02/11/22 9:32:30 PM #121:	Funny we have people who deride the religious yet believe things like systemic racism and patriarchy --- sig <cite>Dathrowed1 posted [p:962575475] in Christians... [t:79894410]...</cite> <quote>Funny we have people who deride the religious yet believe things like systemic racism and patriarchy </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
0x4B616E6A6F 02/11/22 9:46:44 PM #122:	TheOtherMike posted... Sorry, but that's wrong for all the reasons already laid out itt. God is an infinite being. Human beings are flawed. Logically speaking, all human interpretations of how the universe works are inherently flawed, more so because there is more to be discovered through what we call science. It is entirely possible for God to exist or the concept of God to exist and to have created the universe while also staying true to practically everything we believe by science. There is nothing that contradicts His existence because logically speaking, you cannot contradict His existence based off the fundamental understanding that humans = flawed and God = infinite. DirkDiggles posted... Man invented science. Man also invented God, too. Man invented neither. Science always existed, and I believe God always existed as well. What we call "science" is our interpretation to how the universe works. The interpretations are backed by hypothesis and tested conclusions. Man invented the concept of God, but it is entirely possible man's interpretation albeit flawed of what God truly is came from God Himself. Again, nothing contradicts this. <cite>0x4B616E6A6F posted [p:962575873] in Christians... [t:79894410]...</cite> <quote>TheOtherMike posted... </cite> <quote>Sorry, but that's wrong for all the reasons already laid out itt.</quote> God is an infinite being. Human beings are flawed. Logically speaking, all human interpretations of how the universe works are inherently flawed, more so because there is more to be discovered through what we call science. It is entirely possible for God to exist or the concept of God to exist and to have created the universe while also staying true to practically everything we believe by science. There is nothing that contradicts His existence because logically speaking, you cannot contradict His existence based off the fundamental understanding that humans = flawed and God = infinite. DirkDiggles posted... </cite> <quote>Man invented science. Man also invented God, too.</quote> Man invented neither. Science always existed, and I believe God always existed as well. What we call "science" is our interpretation to how the universe works. The interpretations are backed by hypothesis and tested conclusions. Man invented the concept of God, but it is entirely possible man's interpretation albeit flawed of what God truly is came from God Himself. Again, nothing contradicts this. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EbonTitanium 02/11/22 9:53:21 PM #123:	This board is fucking toxic. --- I don't know which is worse: fanboys or elitist. <cite>EbonTitanium posted [p:962576038] in Christians... [t:79894410]...</cite> <quote>This board is fucking toxic. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheOtherMike 02/11/22 10:00:10 PM #124:	0x4B616E6A6F posted... God is an infinite being. There is no evidence God exists, therefore it is literally anti-science to believe he does. If you disagree, you don't understand how the scientific method works or how it responds to unfalsifiable claims. <cite>TheOtherMike posted [p:962576250] in Christians... [t:79894410]...</cite> <quote>0x4B616E6A6F posted... </cite> <quote>God is an infinite being.</quote> There is no evidence God exists, therefore it is literally anti-science to believe he does. If you disagree, you don't understand how the scientific method works or how it responds to unfalsifiable claims. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
0x4B616E6A6F 02/11/22 10:06:42 PM #125:	TheOtherMike posted... There is no evidence God exists, therefore it is literally anti-science to believe he does. If you disagree, you don't understand how the scientific method works or how it responds to unfalsifiable claims. No evidence God exists because we haven't discovered He exists. It could be very well possible we never do by the time the human race goes extinct. Again, nothing contradicts His existence. If you theorize an infinite being out there exists, you must logically conclude it is possible for that being to invent everything including science. <cite>0x4B616E6A6F posted [p:962576394] in Christians... [t:79894410]...</cite> <quote>TheOtherMike posted... </cite> <quote>There is no evidence God exists, therefore it is literally anti-science to believe he does. If you disagree, you don't understand how the scientific method works or how it responds to unfalsifiable claims.</quote> No evidence God exists because we haven't discovered He exists. It could be very well possible we never do by the time the human race goes extinct. Again, nothing contradicts His existence. If you theorize an infinite being out there exists, you must logically conclude it is possible for that being to invent everything including science. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheOtherMike 02/11/22 10:08:22 PM #126:	0x4B616E6A6F posted... No evidence God exists because we haven't discovered He exists. It could be very well possible we never do by the time the human race goes extinct. Again: TheOtherMike posted... you don't understand how the scientific method works or how it responds to unfalsifiable claims. 0x4B616E6A6F posted... Again, nothing contradicts His existence. What point do you think youre making repeating this? Science doesn't automatically accept any claim that has no contradictory evidence. <cite>TheOtherMike posted [p:962576432] in Christians... [t:79894410]...</cite> <quote>0x4B616E6A6F posted... </cite> <quote>No evidence God exists because we haven't discovered He exists. It could be very well possible we never do by the time the human race goes extinct.</quote> Again: TheOtherMike posted... </cite> <quote>you don't understand how the scientific method works or how it responds to unfalsifiable claims.</quote> 0x4B616E6A6F posted... </cite> <quote>Again, nothing contradicts His existence.</quote> What point do you think youre making repeating this? Science doesn't automatically accept any claim that has no contradictory evidence. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 02/11/22 10:12:17 PM #127:	Dathrowed1 posted... Funny we have people who deride the religious yet believe things like systemic racism and patriarchy This sounded better in your butt, I'm sure. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:962576509] in Christians... [t:79894410]...</cite> <quote> Dathrowed1 posted... </cite> <quote>Funny we have people who deride the religious yet believe things like systemic racism and patriarchy</quote>This sounded better in your butt, I'm sure. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
0x4B616E6A6F 02/11/22 10:13:48 PM #128:	Bruh, you're not understanding this at all. Do you follow logic? Because science at its root follows logic. Everything follows logic. Logically speaking, if an infinite being exists and humans are flawed beings, then that means any interpretation of what an infinite being is and may have created is inherently flawed against the being itself. Which includes the fact that we as a species have not fully discovered everything there is about the universe, which means our understanding of it is logically flawed. The scientific method as it pertains to how we share objectively true measures isn't flawed. The conclusions as it pertains to the grand scheme of the universe will always be flawed until we know everything there is about the universe. And the simple thing is, you cannot logically disprove the existence of an infinite being because we aren't infinite ourselves and never will be. <cite>0x4B616E6A6F posted [p:962576542] in Christians... [t:79894410]...</cite> <quote>Bruh, you're not understanding this at all. Do you follow logic? Because science at its root follows logic. Everything follows logic. Logically speaking, if an infinite being exists and humans are flawed beings, then that means any interpretation of what an infinite being is and may have created is inherently flawed against the being itself. Which includes the fact that we as a species have not fully discovered everything there is about the universe, which means our understanding of it is logically flawed. The scientific method as it pertains to how we share objectively true measures isn't flawed. The conclusions as it pertains to the grand scheme of the universe will always be flawed until we know everything there is about the universe. And the simple thing is, you cannot logically disprove the existence of an infinite being because we aren't infinite ourselves and never will be. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IMNOTRAGED 02/11/22 10:20:07 PM #129:	Dathrowed1 posted... Funny we have people who deride the religious yet believe things like systemic racism and patriarchy Both of those things came about as a result of or were justified by religion to a large degree so I'm not really sure why you think that's funny? --- http://i.imgur.com/kkm3QaD.jpg "Be ruthless with systems; be kind to people." <cite>IMNOTRAGED posted [p:962576688] in Christians... [t:79894410]...</cite> <quote>Dathrowed1 posted... </cite> <quote>Funny we have people who deride the religious yet believe things like systemic racism and patriarchy</quote>Both of those things came about as a result of or were justified by religion to a large degree so I'm not really sure why you think that's funny? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheOtherMike 02/11/22 10:20:19 PM #130:	0x4B616E6A6F posted... Bruh, you're not understanding this at all. No, you're not understanding this. You're wrong, end of discussion. Belief in anything with no evidence is inherently anti-science. It doesn't matter if that belief is religious, supernatural, natural, extravagant, or mundane. The scientific method demands that unfalsifiable claims be dismissed until they can be falsified. If you don't know what these terms mean (and I'm beginning to suspect you don't) then this conversation is out of your league. Claims that God exists cannot be falsified. Therefore, the scientific method demands we ignore these claims. That means belief in God is incompatible with the scientific method. These are the facts, regardless of whether you like them or not. <cite>TheOtherMike posted [p:962576691] in Christians... [t:79894410]...</cite> <quote>0x4B616E6A6F posted... </cite> <quote>Bruh, you're not understanding this at all.</quote> No, you're not understanding this. You're wrong, end of discussion. Belief in anything with no evidence is inherently anti-science. It doesn't matter if that belief is religious, supernatural, natural, extravagant, or mundane. The scientific method demands that unfalsifiable claims be dismissed until they can be falsified. If you don't know what these terms mean (and I'm beginning to suspect you don't) then this conversation is out of your league. Claims that God exists cannot be falsified. Therefore, the scientific method demands we ignore these claims. That means belief in God is incompatible with the scientific method. These are the facts, regardless of whether you like them or not. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
0x4B616E6A6F 02/11/22 10:22:58 PM #131:	Why are you treating science like it's a religion? Using terms like "anti-science" like there's supposed to be some law of science that dictates things that have not been proven cannot exist. By that logic we would have never advanced to the point where we are today without our understanding that we didn't initially question the unknown. Newton's law, Einstein's theory of relativity, beyond the galaxy...like come on dude. This isn't hard to grasp. <cite>0x4B616E6A6F posted [p:962576747] in Christians... [t:79894410]...</cite> <quote>Why are you treating science like it's a religion? Using terms like "anti-science" like there's supposed to be some law of science that dictates things that have not been proven cannot exist. By that logic we would have never advanced to the point where we are today without our understanding that we didn't initially question the unknown. Newton's law, Einstein's theory of relativity, beyond the galaxy...like come on dude. This isn't hard to grasp. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kloe_Rinz 02/11/22 10:23:47 PM #132:	Shishiwakamaru posted... You are simply wrong to say that religion is anti-science. And it is an absurd thing to say because if God does exist, then God must cooperate with science. And you cant just claim that God doesnt exist. So unless you want to try understanding my beliefs instead of mocking them, we are at a total stalemate. Nobody is mocking your beliefs. We are just saying they are incompatible with science. Thats not an opinion and its not something you can disagree with without being wrong. Its not a stalemate, its you being obstinate. Who are we to say your religion is wrong? You can believe whatever you want. But its anti-science. 0x4B616E6A6F posted... I personally believe if you believe in God, he will make himself evident to you the way you see him. Thats called Confirmation Bias <cite>Kloe_Rinz posted [p:962576771] in Christians... [t:79894410]...</cite> <quote>Shishiwakamaru posted... </cite> <quote>You are simply wrong to say that religion is anti-science. And it is an absurd thing to say because if God does exist, then God must cooperate with science. And you cant just claim that God doesnt exist. So unless you want to try understanding my beliefs instead of mocking them, we are at a total stalemate.</quote>Nobody is mocking your beliefs. We are just saying they are incompatible with science. Thats not an opinion and its not something you can disagree with without being wrong. Its not a stalemate, its you being obstinate. Who are we to say your religion is wrong? You can believe whatever you want. But its anti-science. 0x4B616E6A6F posted... </cite> <quote>I personally believe if you believe in God, he will make himself evident to you the way you see him.</quote>Thats called Confirmation Bias </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheOtherMike 02/11/22 10:27:02 PM #134:	0x4B616E6A6F posted... Why are you treating science like it's a religion? I'm not. I'm treating the scientific method like it has rules...because it does. 0x4B616E6A6F posted... Using terms like "anti-science" like there's supposed to be some law of science that dictates things that have not been proven cannot exist. ...Yeah, you're just illiterate. I literally never said this, and you full stop don't understand what the scientific method even is. <cite>TheOtherMike posted [p:962576855] in Christians... [t:79894410]...</cite> <quote>0x4B616E6A6F posted... </cite> <quote>Why are you treating science like it's a religion?</quote> I'm not. I'm treating the scientific method like it has rules...because it does. 0x4B616E6A6F posted... </cite> <quote>Using terms like "anti-science" like there's supposed to be some law of science that dictates things that have not been proven cannot exist.</quote> ...Yeah, you're just illiterate. I literally never said this, and you full stop don't understand what the scientific method even is. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
0x4B616E6A6F 02/11/22 10:27:03 PM #135:	Well I'll agree that we both have different ideas what "anti-science" is. I personally believe science is our interpretations of the universe based off conclusive objective truths we discover. We cannot discover these objective truths without questioning them. That idea cannot be contradicted by the idea of God. <cite>0x4B616E6A6F posted [p:962576856] in Christians... [t:79894410]...</cite> <quote>Well I'll agree that we both have different ideas what "anti-science" is. I personally believe science is our interpretations of the universe based off conclusive objective truths we discover. We cannot discover these objective truths without questioning them. That idea cannot be contradicted by the idea of God. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dathrowed1 02/11/22 10:29:27 PM #136:	IMNOTRAGED posted... Both of those things came about as a result of or were justified by religion to a large degree so I'm not really sure why you think that's funny? They sing more to mankind's religious side than the science side --- sig <cite>Dathrowed1 posted [p:962576906] in Christians... [t:79894410]...</cite> <quote>IMNOTRAGED posted... </cite> <quote>Both of those things came about as a result of or were justified by religion to a large degree so I'm not really sure why you think that's funny?</quote>They sing more to mankind's religious side than the science side </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NatsuSama 02/11/22 10:35:34 PM #137:	Shishiwakamaru posted... You are simply wrong to say that religion is anti-science. And it is an absurd thing to say because if God does exist, then God must cooperate with science. And you cant just claim that God doesnt exist. So unless you want to try understanding my beliefs instead of mocking them, we are at a total stalemate. Facts honestly don't care about your faith or feelings. The only people wrong are the people co fusing faith with science. Simply believing in Shiva, Izanami, or whatever being you think of creation, doesn't make it scientific. You not understanding how something works so your "beliefs" or faith jumping to conclusions to fabricate why it happened, is not scientific. Just because you believe something, that doesn't make it fact or subjective. Science is not about beliefs and faith to explain things you lack understanding of. Science is not about faith at all. This isn't a stalemate or subjective discussion. --- WAAAH, I CAN'T BEAT THIS GUY WITH HIS TACTICS, I'M GONNA CALL IT SPAM AND CONDEMN HIM FOR USING IT <cite>NatsuSama posted [p:962577054] in Christians... [t:79894410]...</cite> <quote>Shishiwakamaru posted... </cite> <quote>You are simply wrong to say that religion is anti-science. And it is an absurd thing to say because if God does exist, then God must cooperate with science. And you cant just claim that God doesnt exist. So unless you want to try understanding my beliefs instead of mocking them, we are at a total stalemate.</quote>Facts honestly don't care about your faith or feelings. The only people wrong are the people co fusing faith with science. Simply believing in Shiva, Izanami, or whatever being you think of creation, doesn't make it scientific. You not understanding how something works so your "beliefs" or faith jumping to conclusions to fabricate why it happened, is not scientific. Just because you believe something, that doesn't make it fact or subjective. Science is not about beliefs and faith to explain things you lack understanding of. Science is not about faith at all. This isn't a stalemate or subjective discussion. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheOtherMike 02/11/22 10:36:31 PM #138:	https://www.google.com/amp/s/whatis.techtarget.com/definition/falsifiability%3famp=1 Here. Educate yourself on what falsifiability is and why it means belief in anything unfalsifiable is inherently anti-science. <cite>TheOtherMike posted [p:962577074] in Christians... [t:79894410]...</cite> <quote>https://www.google.com/amp/s/whatis.techtarget.com/definition/falsifiability%3famp=1 Here. Educate yourself on what falsifiability is and why it means belief in anything unfalsifiable is inherently anti-science. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
0x4B616E6A6F 02/11/22 10:37:30 PM #139:	NatsuSama posted... Facts honestly don't care about your faith or feelings. The only people wrong are the people co fusing faith with science. Simply believing in Shiva, Izanami, or whatever being you think of or create, doesn't make it scientific. You not understanding how something works so your "beliefs" or faith jumping to conclusions to fabricate why it happened, is not scientific. Science is not about beliefs and faith to explain things you lack understanding of. Science is not about faith at all. So was Newton anti-science before he discovered gravity? <cite>0x4B616E6A6F posted [p:962577100] in Christians... [t:79894410]...</cite> <quote>NatsuSama posted... </cite> <quote>Facts honestly don't care about your faith or feelings. The only people wrong are the people co fusing faith with science. Simply believing in Shiva, Izanami, or whatever being you think of or create, doesn't make it scientific. You not understanding how something works so your "beliefs" or faith jumping to conclusions to fabricate why it happened, is not scientific. Science is not about beliefs and faith to explain things you lack understanding of. Science is not about faith at all.</quote> So was Newton anti-science before he discovered gravity? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DirkDiggles 02/11/22 10:41:59 PM #140:	0x4B616E6A6F posted... Do you follow logic? That's rich..... --- Intel 486, Integrated videocard, 16MB RAM, 64MB HD, 3 1/4 inch floppy <cite>DirkDiggles posted [p:962577217] in Christians... [t:79894410]...</cite> <quote>0x4B616E6A6F posted... </cite> <quote>Do you follow logic?</quote> That's rich..... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NatsuSama 02/11/22 10:44:57 PM #141:	0x4B616E6A6F posted... So was Newton anti-science before he discovered gravity? I'm amazed you thought this was a good rebuttal.... Edit: shame on me for not looking at the name and date the account was created. --- WAAAH, I CAN'T BEAT THIS GUY WITH HIS TACTICS, I'M GONNA CALL IT SPAM AND CONDEMN HIM FOR USING IT <cite>NatsuSama posted [p:962577291] in Christians... [t:79894410]...</cite> <quote>0x4B616E6A6F posted... </cite> <quote>So was Newton anti-science before he discovered gravity?</quote>I'm amazed you thought this was a good rebuttal.... Edit: shame on me for not looking at the name and date the account was created. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
0x4B616E6A6F 02/11/22 10:47:55 PM #142:	It really seems like the bulk of you are more interested in defending an arbitrary definition of what science is than you are in actually endorsing the motivation of what makes science possible. You are literally treating science like it's a religion. Wasting time arguing this is pointless. I'm going to keep embracing the great discoveries of science while the rest of you plug your ears and assume we know everything already. You're no better than the churches that said the earth was flat while the sun and moon revolved around it. <cite>0x4B616E6A6F posted [p:962577368] in Christians... [t:79894410]...</cite> <quote>It really seems like the bulk of you are more interested in defending an arbitrary definition of what science is than you are in actually endorsing the motivation of what makes science possible. You are literally treating science like it's a religion. Wasting time arguing this is pointless. I'm going to keep embracing the great discoveries of science while the rest of you plug your ears and assume we know everything already. You're no better than the churches that said the earth was flat while the sun and moon revolved around it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheOtherMike 02/11/22 10:49:11 PM #143:	0x4B616E6A6F posted... So was Newton anti-science before he discovered gravity? This is the dumbest thing I've seen in weeks. Impressive. At least I know to stop responding seriously to you now. <cite>TheOtherMike posted [p:962577390] in Christians... [t:79894410]...</cite> <quote>0x4B616E6A6F posted... </cite> <quote>So was Newton anti-science before he discovered gravity?</quote> This is the dumbest thing I've seen in weeks. Impressive. At least I know to stop responding seriously to you now. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ar0ge 02/11/22 10:49:28 PM #144:	0x4B616E6A6F posted... So was Newton anti-science before he discovered gravity? What the hell does that have to do with anything? I really don't think you know anything about science and how it works... Newton was asking questions and the evidence led him to an answer. We can ask all the questions we want about God but there is literally NO evidence at all to answer any of them. Not a single one. Nothing. Nada. Whatever you want to call it. Zero evidence. <cite>Ar0ge posted [p:962577396] in Christians... [t:79894410]...</cite> <quote>0x4B616E6A6F posted... </cite> <quote>So was Newton anti-science before he discovered gravity?</quote> What the hell does that have to do with anything? I really don't think you know anything about science and how it works... Newton was asking questions and the evidence led him to an answer. We can ask all the questions we want about God but there is literally NO evidence at all to answer any of them. Not a single one. Nothing. Nada. Whatever you want to call it. Zero evidence. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
0x4B616E6A6F 02/11/22 10:50:24 PM #145:	Ar0ge posted... What the hell does that have to do with anything? I really don't think you know anything about science and how it works... Newton was asking questions and the evidence led him to an answer. We can ask all the questions we want about God but there is literally NO evidence at all to answer any of them. Not a single one. Nothing. Nada. Whatever you want to call it. Zero evidence. There was no evidence of quantum mechanics prior to its discovery either. <cite>0x4B616E6A6F posted [p:962577414] in Christians... [t:79894410]...</cite> <quote>Ar0ge posted... </cite> <quote>What the hell does that have to do with anything? I really don't think you know anything about science and how it works... Newton was asking questions and the evidence led him to an answer. We can ask all the questions we want about God but there is literally NO evidence at all to answer any of them. Not a single one. Nothing. Nada. Whatever you want to call it. Zero evidence.</quote> There was no evidence of quantum mechanics prior to its discovery either. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DirkDiggles 02/11/22 10:52:19 PM #146:	0x4B616E6A6F posted... There was no evidence of quantum mechanics prior to its discovery either. uhhhhhhhh........ --- Intel 486, Integrated videocard, 16MB RAM, 64MB HD, 3 1/4 inch floppy <cite>DirkDiggles posted [p:962577447] in Christians... [t:79894410]...</cite> <quote>0x4B616E6A6F posted... </cite> <quote>There was no evidence of quantum mechanics prior to its discovery either.</quote> uhhhhhhhh........ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
0x4B616E6A6F 02/11/22 10:53:41 PM #148:	DirkDiggles posted... uhhhhhhhh........ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_quantum_mechanics Take a history lesson. Science isn't a religion. Stop acting like it is. <cite>0x4B616E6A6F posted [p:962577472] in Christians... [t:79894410]...</cite> <quote>DirkDiggles posted... </cite> <quote>uhhhhhhhh........</quote> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_quantum_mechanics Take a history lesson. Science isn't a religion. Stop acting like it is. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheOtherMike 02/11/22 10:54:48 PM #149:	Well, that's another dumbass troll on the block list. <cite>TheOtherMike posted [p:962577499] in Christians... [t:79894410]...</cite> <quote>Well, that's another dumbass troll on the block list. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ar0ge 02/11/22 10:55:29 PM #150:	Yea .... Ouch. I'm dumb for not looking at his account first. That one hurt. But I can ignore now. <cite>Ar0ge posted [p:962577509] in Christians... [t:79894410]...</cite> <quote>Yea .... Ouch. I'm dumb for not looking at his account first. That one hurt. But I can ignore now. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
0x4B616E6A6F 02/11/22 10:56:20 PM #151:	Lol he blocked me. When the next great thing about the universe is discovered, I'm sure you totally think proposing it now is anti-science. <cite>0x4B616E6A6F posted [p:962577532] in Christians... [t:79894410]...</cite> <quote>Lol he blocked me. When the next great thing about the universe is discovered, I'm sure you totally think proposing it now is anti-science. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ShutTheF---Up 02/11/22 10:57:00 PM #152:	Science tries to prove itself wrong, and is extremely open when it succeeds at this. Religion tries to prove itself right, and refuses to acknowledge any and all failures to do so. --- Trumble alt. <cite>ShutTheF---Up posted [p:962577549] in Christians... [t:79894410]...</cite> <quote>Science tries to prove itself wrong, and is extremely open when it succeeds at this. Religion tries to prove itself right, and refuses to acknowledge any and all failures to do so. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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