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Gobstoppers12
02/16/22 5:23:09 PM
#151:


Veggeta_MAX posted...
Let's go back to post 114.

Someone made quite the accusation against you and it's pretty direct and plain and most of all it's quite easy to understand.

What does chicken sandwiches have to do with the accusation?
So first off, I didn't say anything about any companies in this topic, so I was already confused. I assume he means a different topic, in which I said that I like chick fil a chicken sandwiches.

So I wanted clarification that said post is indeed what he's basing that statement on. Because saying 'I like chicken sandwiches' really doesn't feel like it meshes with the messaging of "HE CONTINUES TO SUPPORT COMPANIES THAT DISCRIMINATE AGAINST LGBT"

It feels like a massive exaggeration. I just want to start that conversation from the top.

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Will_VIIII
02/16/22 5:23:36 PM
#152:


Too bad, you gotta reap what you sow

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Will_VIIII
02/16/22 5:30:06 PM
#154:


[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

The actions he forgot!

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Gobstoppers12
02/16/22 5:31:03 PM
#155:


[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

It's not even that. I'm asking to know which actions I'm being judged on, and the only thing I get in reply is vague smugness about how unintelligent and bigoted I am.

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onedarksoul
02/16/22 5:33:49 PM
#156:


All this nonsense with the extreme anti-vaxx/anti-mask/anti-doctor shit has just gotten to be way, way too embarrassing. I'm tired of hearing cringe-inducing defenses like "my body my choice," which isn't nearly as clever of a reversal as they think it is.
You're buying into the far-left labeling, which most of this board is comprised of. They must've worn down your mental defenses. The fact is: many on the red team are vaccinated. They aren't anti-vax but anti-mandate. Plenty of protestors like this in the trucker convoy too.
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Bishop9800
02/16/22 5:36:25 PM
#157:


Gobstoppers12 posted...
It's not even that. I'm asking to know which actions I'm being judged on, and the only thing I get in reply is vague smugness about how unintelligent and bigoted I am.

Well, you are.

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Gobstoppers12
02/16/22 5:38:41 PM
#158:


onedarksoul posted...
The fact is: many on the red team are vaccinated. They aren't anti-vax but anti-mandate. Plenty of protestors like this in the trucker convoy too.
Trust me, I know. On some levels, I am also anti-mandate... but this is just such a ridiculous thing to fight so hard against. It's one thing to have misgivings and keep a close eye on future mandates and medical treatments... but that's not what it is. It's blatant anti-vaxx shit disguised as conscientious objecting. All those crazy anti-vaxx social media posts aren't made up. Some of them literally come from my own relatives, who care so much about defying the Democrats that they refuse to get vaccinated and literally call the doctors communists for trying to encourage them to get a vaccine.

It's absurd, and it's real. I see it in my own family and friends.

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DrizztLink
02/16/22 5:41:51 PM
#159:


onedarksoul posted...
They must've worn down your mental defenses.
Unlike this man, who guards his mind with only the finest rotten balsa wood.

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onedarksoul
02/16/22 5:43:28 PM
#160:


Some people are off the rails, true, and may have been radicalized, but the core of their intentions is probably good. The fact is if you let the govt push you into nonsense, they will keep going until you stop them. Fedgov has repeatedly brought up the idea of making air travel within the U.S. vaccine mandated as an example. Why haven't they? Because of pushback. Just look at what Brandon tried to do with small businesses over 100 people, and all federal employees.
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onedarksoul
02/16/22 5:46:28 PM
#162:


Looks like trolling to me. Lets see what the mods say.
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Will_VIIII
02/16/22 5:48:20 PM
#163:


You can just say fuck joe biden

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onedarksoul
02/16/22 5:49:03 PM
#164:


How about Uncle Joe? Thats a cool, neutral non-offensive nickname right?
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MabusIncarnate
02/16/22 5:50:52 PM
#165:


If anything, it's good to see at least some stop and say how absolutely insane things are right now.

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Will_VIIII
02/16/22 5:51:19 PM
#166:


I'm not offended by people saying fuck joe biden.

But it's speaks volumes about the individuals still doing that Brandon thing like it's some clever code

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onedarksoul
02/16/22 5:52:06 PM
#167:


It doesn't say anything about them, but that they don't even respect him enough to call him by his own name.
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Will_VIIII
02/16/22 5:52:59 PM
#168:


onedarksoul posted...
It doesn't say anything about them, but that they don't even respect him enough to call him by his own name.
Tells me everything I need to know about their intellect

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Spiritlittle
02/16/22 5:53:23 PM
#170:


Should have jumped ship as soon as Trump won the GOP nomination and turned it into a cult.

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onedarksoul
02/16/22 5:54:53 PM
#171:


Will_VIIII posted...
Tells me everything I need to know about their intellect
The two are not related even from a tangential logical perspective, but you are free to make your own judgments.
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Zodd3224
02/16/22 5:56:29 PM
#172:


Literally no one on the left or right likes Biden so who gives a shit what people call him

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AltyMcAltface
02/16/22 5:58:23 PM
#173:


onedarksoul posted...
Some people are off the rails, true, and may have been radicalized, but the core of their intentions is probably good. The fact is if you let the govt push you into nonsense, they will keep going until you stop them. Fedgov has repeatedly brought up the idea of making air travel within the U.S. vaccine mandated as an example. Why haven't they? Because of pushback. Just look at what Brandon tried to do with small businesses over 100 people, and all federal employees.
lmfao this cat really unironically calling Biden Brandon looooooooooooooool

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mybbqrules
02/16/22 6:00:40 PM
#174:


Gobstoppers12 posted...
Nobody has given me any reason to think otherwise. Like yeah, I've gone pretty hard in some topics supporting president Trump, but never from a place of hate. I think you've gotten the wrong idea. I don't hate anybody except for cruel, violent criminals who've earned it.
"I've openly supported a bigoted, racist, stupid, moronic, corrupt, stochastic terrorist who has been cozying up to dictators and tried to overthrow our democratic process, but I just don't understand how people here can think so little of me!"

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Gobstoppers12
02/16/22 6:04:42 PM
#175:


Anyway, to the people who've been decent and reasonable in this topic so far, thanks for the civilized engagement. I appreciate the interest and support.

To everybody else... lol, thanks for coming I guess

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Bishop9800
02/16/22 6:08:26 PM
#176:


Will_VIIII posted...
I'm not offended by people saying fuck joe biden.

But it's speaks volumes about the individuals still doing that Brandon thing like it's some clever code

People who say "Brandon" are people who take livestock medicine.

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Will_VIIII
02/16/22 6:09:57 PM
#177:


Bishop9800 posted...
People who say "Brandon" are people who take livestock medicine.


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onedarksoul
02/16/22 6:10:42 PM
#178:


They're people who take Nobel prize award winning medicine.
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Bishop9800
02/16/22 6:16:38 PM
#180:


onedarksoul posted...
They're people who take Nobel prize award winning medicine.


And believes in Jewish Space lasers, microchips in vaccines, and have sex with interdimensional deamons.

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Gobstoppers12
02/16/22 6:24:53 PM
#181:


[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

I haven't changed. I'm just not a Republican anymore, because too much of their current messaging is about shit I strongly disagree with.

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FrankFontaine1
02/16/22 7:09:25 PM
#182:


Gobstoppers12 posted...
Now, don't get too excited. I'm probably still what many of you would consider "the bad guy," but I can't throw my name under the Republican tag anymore. All this nonsense with the extreme anti-vaxx/anti-mask/anti-doctor shit has just gotten to be way, way too embarrassing. I'm tired of hearing cringe-inducing defenses like "my body my choice," which isn't nearly as clever of a reversal as they think it is.

It's just a whole lot of silly stuff that makes me wanna separate myself from their banner.
Not wanting the federal government to be able to force people to get injected with whatever drugs it sees fit doesn't make someone "anti-vax."

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Gobstoppers12
02/16/22 7:19:05 PM
#183:


FrankFontaine1 posted...
Not wanting the federal government to be able to force people to get injected with whatever drugs it sees fit doesn't make someone "anti-vax."
I feel like that's exactly the mindset that makes somebody anti-vaxx. The covid vaccine has been verified to be very, very safe for the vast majority (and I do mean VAST majority), and it is much, much safer than getting covid while unvaccinated. If covid didn't exist, sure, fight against the vaccine all you want. But covid exists and it's everywhere and the vaccine is our most effective tool against it.

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AssAssasin69
02/16/22 7:22:34 PM
#184:


David1988 posted...
Youre still the bad guy TC
When will he realize that not being a liberal is literally the same thing as being a Republican?

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Gobstoppers12
02/16/22 7:23:32 PM
#186:


AssAssasin69 posted...
When will he realize that not being a liberal is literally the same thing as being a Republican?
Lol, you got jokes, huh?

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Veggeta_MAX
02/16/22 7:24:12 PM
#187:


onedarksoul posted...
So what does a person do once they've been vaccinated and still contract covid? Get vaccinated again?
Locked themselves in some place for a minimum of 10 days so they can't spread it.

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Gobstoppers12
02/16/22 7:24:50 PM
#188:


onedarksoul posted...
So what does a person do once they've been vaccinated and still contract covid? Get vaccinated again?
No, they have a very very high chance of having a mild/non-severe case, after which they can continue on with their life.

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AltyMcAltface
02/16/22 7:25:26 PM
#189:


onedarksoul posted...
So what does a person do once they've been vaccinated and still contract covid? Get vaccinated again?
do you understand that no vaccine in the history of vaccines have been 100% effective, that that's not how vaccines work, and that just because something isn't 100% effective doesn't mean it's completely useless?

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Veggeta_MAX
02/16/22 7:26:21 PM
#190:


AltyMcAltface posted...
do you understand that no vaccine in the history of vaccines have been 100% effective, that that's not how vaccines work, and that just because something isn't 100% effective doesn't mean it's completely useless?
He knows, he just being anti vax

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onedarksoul
02/16/22 7:26:37 PM
#191:


Gobstoppers12 posted...
No, they have a very very high chance of having a mild/non-severe case, after which they can continue on with their life.
And in serious cases? 'oh well'?
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Veggeta_MAX
02/16/22 7:27:55 PM
#192:


Dibs on making his Warned/suspended topic

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Gobstoppers12
02/16/22 7:28:48 PM
#194:


onedarksoul posted...
And in serious cases? 'oh well'?
If you're vaccinated and boosted and still get a serious case, you did absolutely everything you could do to increase your odds of survival, but you basically got unlucky.

It's not 100% effective, but neither are seat belts or birth control, but you still use those, don't you?

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Gobstoppers12
02/16/22 7:29:31 PM
#195:


onedarksoul posted...
But the question of what even they would do if they get vaccinated and come down with a serious covid still hasn't been addressed.
I mean... yeah, they go to the hospital. That's pretty obvious, right?

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AltyMcAltface
02/16/22 7:30:46 PM
#196:


onedarksoul posted...
The vaccine according to data is most useful for people above 50 y/o. Those are the people most at risk.
this doesn't answer any of my questions

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COVxy
02/16/22 7:37:20 PM
#197:


So, regarding the whole "not 100% effective thing, I'm just going to repost something I wrote a bit back in a different topic:

I think part of the issue is that people have a hard time reasoning about effects that compound (often nonlinearly) across time. However, it's easy reason if the effect is complete. Like obviously a vaccine would work well if it completely prevented infection and transmission. But a case where it's only partially effective? Does that mean that even if everyone were to be vaccinated we would still be in the same situation?

Here I've done a bit of a silly simulation where vaccination cuts probability of transmission in half and duration of transmission by 40%, and then looked at what happens in the case of 80% vaccination rate (pretty good, right?) vs. 100%. Pretty marked difference for 80% vs 100% with only a partially effective intervention, no?
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/3/2/0/AAZt-XAAC53o.png
Perhaps highlighting the effect here, 82% of the simulations in the 100% vaxx condition dropped to 0 by end of the simulation time, while only 56% of the 80% vaxx condition did.

This is just a toy simulation, but really the point is to get the intuition that even with a partially effective vaccine, you get extremely large differences in community spread going to a vaccine mandate, even if voluntary vaccination rates look pretty good.

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Shadow Don
02/16/22 7:46:38 PM
#198:


Talking to republicans is like talking to fucking children

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mybbqrules
02/16/22 7:48:34 PM
#199:


onedarksoul posted...
They're people who take Nobel prize award winning medicine.
A Nobel prize award winning medicine that (and this part seems somewhat important) literally doesn't work against covid.

Edit: annnnnd he's gone already.

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AltyMcAltface
02/16/22 7:49:40 PM
#200:


aaaaaaaaand he's gone

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mybbqrules
02/16/22 7:51:29 PM
#201:


Veggeta_MAX posted...
Dibs on making his Warned/suspended topic
You're up. Make us proud.

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Veggeta_MAX
02/16/22 8:09:22 PM
#202:


mybbqrules posted...
You're up. Make us proud.
Thanks. @ me next time I don't mind.

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Zodd3224
02/16/22 8:10:20 PM
#203:


The exhausting back and forth with onedarksoul is what drives people crazy. I dont under how people are still at this point so ignorant and stubborn about vaccines. Vaccines are a necessary part of civilized society. We already have vaccine requirements in our schools. Why is this one where people draw the line? Its so stupid it hurts. I can't even debate with these people anymore, it's just running in circles.

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