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MrWingnut
02/17/22 1:18:15 AM
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He's not wrong.
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atmasabr
02/17/22 1:18:24 AM
#52:


The Canadian Prime Minister is in increasingly desperate need of an exit ramp, and it is shocking that he keeps missing his exit.

FortuneCookie posted...
Terrible as it is, he's right.

Many conservatives, including those with actual political power, are openly courting white supremacist attitudes. Not all conservatives are Nazis, but there's a definite problem with white supremacism among American and Canadian conservatives right now.

And there was a definite problem with anarchism among American progressives in the summer of 2020, but I didn't see too many people on the left trying to purge the people who defended, even justified, the looters and rioters, or even the people who attacked police stations. We're not in a world where people are going to be criticizing or purging their own until it's the absolute last option. The civil libertarians libertarians criticizing Tradeau over his expansive use of emergency powers are no exception.

But I raise the following question: how many, as in what percentage, protesters have engaged in any sort of violence whatsoever? Too high? Perhaps.

How many of them have engaged in physical combat and confrontation with the police sent to evict them?

He is as wrong on this matter as President Trump was right in his time to point to the universality of radicalism and patriotism.

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Collat
02/17/22 1:21:24 AM
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atmasabr posted...
And there was a definite problem with anarchism among American progressives in the summer of 2020
Cool.

This is about Canada.

atmasabr posted...
but I didn't see too many people on the left trying to purge the people who defended, even justified, the looters and rioters, or even the people who attacked police stations.

Probably because they barely exist outside of weird strawmen.

And also those riots were in America.
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Solid Snake07
02/17/22 1:26:42 AM
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Collat posted...
Never going to agree with neo-nazis.


Maybe not, but according to your logic you do agree with every genocide denying tankie that might throw in with your team whether you like it or not.

Which is definitely not the moral high ground you and rebel seems to think it is.

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atmasabr
02/17/22 1:26:52 AM
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Collat posted...
Cool.

This is about Canada.

The poster I was responding to made a statement about Americans and Canadians. I was rebutting the portion of the statement that was talking about Americans.

I would like you to correct your post.

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Jeff AKA Snoopy
02/17/22 1:28:11 AM
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Funny how Conservatives all over Canada wanted laws in place to stop Indigenous and First Nation people from being able to use blockades over their disputes, yet when white people do it, it's perfectly fine.

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Collat
02/17/22 1:29:44 AM
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Solid Snake07 posted...
Maybe not, but according to your logic you do agree with every genocide denying tankie that might throw in with your team whether you like it or not.
Gonna need to explain that one because there is no basis for it.

You know hating nazis doesn't make you a tankie right?
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atmasabr
02/17/22 1:32:43 AM
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Collat posted...
Gonna need to explain that one because there is no basis for it.

Trudeau is gaslighting the convey protests as being a neo-Nazi/white supremacist protest based on a flimsy pretext.

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bknight
02/17/22 1:34:30 AM
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Collat
02/17/22 1:35:06 AM
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atmasabr posted...
Trudeau is gaslighting the convey protests as being a neo-Nazi/white supremacist protest based on a flimsy pretext.
Not really flimsy. He brought up the nazi flags, and we know they've been waving them.

And again, the description doesn't fit. I criticize Communists all the time.

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atmasabr
02/17/22 1:37:26 AM
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Collat posted...
Not really flimsy. He brought up the nazi flags, and we know they've been waving them.

Who's "they"?

How many of them are "they" compared to the whole?

Which of them are "they"?

Flimsy. I mean sure, I know the answer to the first and third questions will knock my socks off, but the second? That's where Trudeau has a real problem, and he refuses to see it.

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MrWingnut
02/17/22 1:37:39 AM
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atmasabr posted...
Trudeau is gaslighting the convey protests as being a neo-Nazi/white supremacist protest based on a flimsy pretext.
*convoy

And he's still not wrong.
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Collat
02/17/22 1:41:32 AM
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atmasabr posted...
Who's "they"?

Freedom convoy protesters.

Probably even the ones who organized it by the looks of it.

atmasabr posted...
How many of them are "they" compared to the whole?

Enough that they keep popping up in photos.

atmasabr posted...
Which of them are "they"?

Again the freedom convoy protesters.
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atmasabr
02/17/22 1:47:09 AM
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MrWingnut posted...
*convoy

And he's still not wrong.

It's a flimsy context. The truckers have an actual grievance: vaccine passport restrictions on international travel that are arbitrary. They already have a 90% vaccination rate, higher than the general population, why do they have to have a restriction more severe than the general population?

On top of that they're being told that they are actually not permitted to say "hate speech", when everyone knows what they're saying is end the vaccine mandate. They're being painted as people trying to destabilize the government, when they have exercised their prerogative to call for the government to voluntarily leave. Where I come from freedom of speech allows people to redress the government for their grievances.

Why won't the Prime Minister come out and say that they are wrong on the merits, that his policies are a good idea and he is simply not going to change them? Why does he have to make the most outrageous accusation possible against them to try to bolster his case?

He is wrong. Probably right about the policy they're protesting against (I'm no libertarian). But only probably, it's a close call and he should recognize that. And as such, he is wrong, and wrongheaded about the convoy and their motivations, and wrongheaded in how he is speaking to and about them.

Why is it so difficult for politicians on the left, in the US, in Canada, in Europe, to realize that not all of their ideas are actually popular, and just because someone doesn't like every single one of their ideas, does not mean they're a racist, a conservative, a rich businessman, or a racial extremist?

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atmasabr
02/17/22 1:48:47 AM
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Collat posted...
Enough that they keep popping up in photos.

I'm not impressed. That could less than 1 percent and they'd still show up in photos. I think you're bluffing about the significance of extremism in the convoy.

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Shadow20201
02/17/22 1:50:14 AM
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atmasabr posted...
They already have a 90% vaccination rate, higher than the general population, why do they have to have a restriction more severe than the general population?
They did have an exception. It was removed recently so they were in the same boat as everyone else. Points for trying though.

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Solid Snake07
02/17/22 1:54:21 AM
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Collat posted...
Gonna need to explain that one because there is no basis for it.

You know hating nazis doesn't make you a tankie right?


No no no, you're missing the point. I'm flipping your logic around on you. I don't actually believe what you're saying. I don't agree that you should be held accountable for every communist who shows up to a protest you sympathize with anymore than every conservative is accountable for every facist or neo nazi that shows up to theirs.

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Collat
02/17/22 1:55:05 AM
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atmasabr posted...
It's a flimsy context. The truckers have an actual grievance: vaccine passport restrictions on international travel that are arbitrary.

The Canadian government can't do shit about that. It's an American restriction, and America doesn't care if people are honking in Ottawa.

And they could just get their shots and not have to worry about any of it.

atmasabr posted...
They already have a 90% vaccination rate, higher than the general population, why do they have to have a restriction more severe than the general population?

It's not more severe. It's exactly the same as every other Canadian.

The 10% unvaccinated are expendable. If they don't want to do their part, then they can be replaced.

Hell, most of them have.

atmasabr posted...
Why does he have to make the most outrageous accusation possible against them to try to bolster his case?
Not outrageous if it's true.

atmasabr posted...
I'm not impressed. That could less than 1 percent and they'd still show up in photos. I think you're bluffing about the significance of extremism in the convoy.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/6/3/7/AAMY_UAAC75l.jpg
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atmasabr
02/17/22 1:57:14 AM
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Collat posted...
Not outrageous if it's true.

Like I said,

Trudeau is gaslighting the convey protests as being a neo-Nazi/white supremacist protest based on a flimsy pretext.

Shadow20201 posted...
They did have an exception. It was removed recently so they were in the same boat as everyone else.

Really? The general population crosses the US/Canadian border regularly?

I did not know that.

Points for trying though.

Keep your points. I'm better at countering then initial moves.

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Collat
02/17/22 1:58:03 AM
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Solid Snake07 posted...
No no no, you're missing the point. I'm flipping your logic around on you.

There is no logic in calling me a tankie for no reason. There has to be a basis for it.

You have no leg to stand on if you can only make up shit.

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atmasabr
02/17/22 1:59:20 AM
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Collat posted...
The Canadian government can't do s*** about that. It's an American restriction, and America doesn't care if people are honking in Ottawa.

You may educate me as to the actual reason they are protesting in Canada.

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Collat
02/17/22 2:00:20 AM
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atmasabr posted...
Trudeau is gaslighting the convey protests as being a neo-Nazi/white supremacist protest based on a flimsy pretext.
Again. Not flimsy. He said there are nazi flags and there are.

atmasabr posted...
Really? The general population crosses the US/Canadian border regularly?
If they are vaccinated, they can.

If not, they face the same restrictions.

Maybe you shouldn't comment on shit you know nothing about.

atmasabr posted...
You may educate me as to the actual reason they are protesting in Canada.

Because they are stupid enough to think it will lead to all restrictions being dropped.
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runewalshPSiv
02/17/22 2:03:19 AM
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Kegran
02/17/22 2:03:28 AM
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Looked gf posted...
I would love to see @Kegran 's reasoning on this
It's impossible to fake. The crease marks mean nothing.
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atmasabr
02/17/22 2:07:09 AM
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Collat posted...
He said there are nazi flags and there are.

No, now you're gaslighting, or moving the goal posts. He said the Conservatives in Parliament are supporting people who wave swastikas.

But the trucker convey is not a white supremacist protest. It is a protest of truckers. He is gaslighting convoy protests as being a neo-Nazi/white supremacist protest based on a flimsy pretext. A pretext that you admit you don't even know the strength of, because you don't know how many of the truckers are the ones waking white supremacist flags.

If they are vaccinated, they can.

Again you move the goalposts. Please answer the question that I have asked, or do not respond at all.

It appears this discussion has been exhausted of usefulness. You had challenged a proposition. I have given you the answer to it, and you have made use of it.

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Collat
02/17/22 2:11:16 AM
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atmasabr posted...
He said the Conservatives in Parliament are supporting people who wave swastikas.
Again.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/5/7/2/AAMY_UAAC74k.jpg
It's as literal as you can get.

atmasabr posted...
Again you move the goalposts. Please answer the question that I have asked, or do not respond at all.
You reply with this when it makes no sense whatsoever.
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Looked gf
02/17/22 2:12:00 AM
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Kegran posted...
It's impossible to fake. The crease marks mean nothing.
https://imgur.com/a/FgKVNcD
Doesn't counter what I said. Fake or not, those get shut down at any other protests. So once again:
Why don't any of these truckers shut it down or remove those nazis?



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Kegran
02/17/22 2:13:34 AM
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@Collat You keep posting that but it's literally calling Canada the Nazis. It's even upside down which is a sign of being endangered.

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Kegran
02/17/22 2:14:21 AM
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Looked gf posted...
Fake or not, those get shut down at any other protests. So once again:
How many incidents have there been?
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Collat
02/17/22 2:14:35 AM
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Kegran posted...
No, but that doesn't count tho!
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DarkProto05
02/17/22 2:15:35 AM
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Fuck him and fuck Canada. I dont agree with the uneducated anti-vax truckers, but you have no right to freeze their bank accounts and seize their assets for refusing a shot.

USA > Canada

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Kegran
02/17/22 2:16:22 AM
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Collat posted...
No, but that doesn't count tho!
You got the message you wanted from it and won't back down, huh?
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Collat
02/17/22 2:18:41 AM
#83:


Kegran posted...
You got the message you wanted from it and won't back down, huh?
What's to back down from?
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UnholyMudcrab
02/17/22 2:19:40 AM
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Why you keep feeding these guys?

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Kegran
02/17/22 2:20:08 AM
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DarkProto05 posted...
USA > Canada
I'm fairly certain the president of the United States can issue an executive order to freeze funds on the pretext that they are foreign and dangerous. The Patriot Act's money laundering section also gave vast powers to the government under the pretext of defunding terrorism.
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Kegran
02/17/22 2:20:36 AM
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Collat posted...
What's to back down from?
Your extreme bias.
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Collat
02/17/22 2:22:10 AM
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UnholyMudcrab posted...
Why you keep feeding these guys?
It's kind of funny to me.

Kegran posted...
Your extreme bias.
Against people waving nazi flags?

Ok.
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DarkProto05
02/17/22 2:23:48 AM
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Kegran posted...
I'm fairly certain the president of the United States can issue an executive order to freeze funds on the pretext that they are foreign and dangerous. The Patriot Act's money laundering section also gave vast powers to the government under the pretext of defunding terrorism.
Non of that applies here. And dont give that BS that being anti-vax is terrorism.

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Solid Snake07
02/17/22 2:24:31 AM
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Collat posted...
There is no logic in calling me a tankie for no reason. There has to be a basis for it.

You have no leg to stand on if you can only make up shit.


I'm not calling you tankie, I'm saying if you're more than comfortable with labeling all of them as nazis you should atleast have some god damn consistent principles and say it's also fair the other way around to unfairly paint protests you're sympathetic to in a negative light based on extremists.

I'm consistent either way, you're the one playing an arbitrary picking and choosing game based on ideology and identity politics

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Collat
02/17/22 2:25:27 AM
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DarkProto05 posted...
Non of that applies here. And dont give that BS that being anti-vax is terrorism.

Nah.

Burning buildings down and trying to trap the people inside is though.
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Kegran
02/17/22 2:25:28 AM
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Collat posted...
Against people waving nazi flags?
The Canadian flag flying upside down defaced with swastikas is not sending the message you think it's sending. That is not a pro-nazi flag at all. The message is literally "We're in danger from nazis".

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Collat
02/17/22 2:27:59 AM
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Kegran posted...
The Canadian flag flying upside down defaced with swastikas is not sending the message you think it's sending. That is not a pro-nazi flag at all. The message is literally "We're in danger from nazis".
"We're in danger from nazis"

Weird that they would march along side them then. Because there are also regular ass nazi flags there.
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Suikoden420
02/17/22 2:28:26 AM
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atmasabr posted...
Why is it so difficult for politicians on the left, in the US, in Canada, in Europe, to realize that not all of their ideas are actually popular, and just because someone doesn't like every single one of their ideas, does not mean they're a racist, a conservative, a rich businessman, or a racial extremist?

Because the point is to undermine their opponents as a mean to 'strengthen' their own cause. Its extremely unethical but unfortunately it works. People of all walks of life and classes use this same method.

It's not about the truth, it's about promoting their agenda. Its basically slander

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Kegran
02/17/22 2:29:42 AM
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Collat posted...
Weird that they would march along side them then. Because there are also regular ass nazi flags there.
Yes, one for the Twitter photo from my understanding.
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DarkProto05
02/17/22 2:29:43 AM
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Collat posted...
Nah.

Burning buildings down and trying to trap the people inside is though.
Oh wow. Well if the truckers did that they deserve to have assets frozen. I didnt know all of the details, excuse me.

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Kegran
02/17/22 2:32:40 AM
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DarkProto05 posted...
Non of that applies here. And dont give that BS that being anti-vax is terrorism.
I'm pretty sure it could apply. And no being against the vaccine isn't terrorism. It's possibly not smart, but it's not terrorism.
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Collat
02/17/22 2:35:44 AM
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DarkProto05 posted...
Oh wow. Well if the truckers did that they deserve to have assets frozen. I didnt know all of the details, excuse me.
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Kegran
02/17/22 2:39:10 AM
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Collat posted...
shorturl.at/mstCF
Is this the one where the neon hair guy started a fire then yelled "I'm with the convoy!"
I almost forgot about that one.
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Collat
02/17/22 2:43:07 AM
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Kegran posted...
Is this the one where the neon hair guy started a fire then yelled "I'm with the convoy!"
I almost forgot about that one.
Of course you would. It goes against your flimsy narrative.
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Kegran
02/17/22 2:49:48 AM
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Collat posted...
Of course you would. It goes against your flimsy narrative.
Look, I'm with the convoy. I said it so it must be true.
Not seen getting out of a truck.
No trucks in sight in the video.
My narrative is flimsy?
And even if true, we're back to the part where the question comes up, were all the BLM protestors looters? Did all the BLM protestors set buildings on fire? Did all the BLM protestors attack that courthouse?
If everyone runs as a group, everyone runs as a group.
BLM continued even after the agitators. So all of these were agitators. They all sat down at the same table at some point.
I'm pretty sure I'm being trolled at this point, and if not it's simply not worth discussing this with you.
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