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Solar_Crimson 02/18/22 10:16:27 AM #1: |
...Into an uber-manly/masculine series (anime/manga/etc.)? Let's say that the work itself is a fighting action series in which all of the major characters and villains are men (there are very few female characters, with them being part of the supporting cast in non-action roles or damsels-in-distress), and the series itself puts a very strong emphasis on manliness and macho attitudes, almost to a fault. In some ways, it may even come across as chauvinistic at best and outright sexist at worst, but it nonetheless manages to amass a fervent fanbase of male and even female fans who enjoy seeing these men take part in intense, violent, high-stakes battles while showing in its own way what it means to be a man. However, later on in the series, one of the very few named female characters is introduced. However, unlike all of the prior women, she actually is a fighter, and in fact, she is by-far THE strongest fighter in the setting, to a level unreachable by any of the other characters in the world. As such, when challenged by the heroes, she stomps them all with ease. After this, she mostly exits the story, playing no significant role in the heroes' later battles against the other villains/rivals; she could easily handle them all herself, but doesn't care enough to do so unless they happen to inconvenience her. (Additionally, she is designed as a conventionally-attractive woman like the other female characters, though with a more fit body type, and--to completely turn the whole manliness theme of the work on its head--has your standard if not stereotypical feminine interests (shopping, fashion, "cute" things, etc.) outside of fighting.) In a work that puts so much emphasis on men being men and building a fanbase based around that, how much hate would this move get? Would it even be enough to outright kill interest in the work? --- I often wonder if we are growing as a people... or in fact, regressing. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WingsOfGood 02/18/22 10:26:23 AM #2: |
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archedsoul 02/18/22 10:28:46 AM #3: |
LSSJ Kale --- "Fear cuts deeper than swords." ... Copied to Clipboard!
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UnfairRepresent 02/18/22 10:29:01 AM #4: |
Lady D did alright --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! http://i.imgur.com/yPw05Ob.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WingsOfGood 02/18/22 10:29:59 AM #5: |
UnfairRepresent posted... Lady D did alright sexualized ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tyranthraxus 02/18/22 10:32:14 AM #6: |
Lisa Lisa --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Solar_Crimson 02/18/22 10:32:29 AM #7: |
archedsoul posted... LSSJ KaleJiren still beat her, and later on after fusing with Caulifa, she was beaten by UI Goku. --- I often wonder if we are growing as a people... or in fact, regressing. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WingsOfGood 02/18/22 10:33:24 AM #8: |
Korra ... Copied to Clipboard!
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YookaLaylee 02/18/22 10:34:33 AM #9: |
Jolyne --- Fire tempers iron and temptation steels the just ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Antifar 02/18/22 10:35:19 AM #10: |
Is this about Yakuza? --- kin to all that throbs ... Copied to Clipboard!
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EmbraceOfDeath 02/18/22 11:13:01 AM #11: |
It wouldn't be an issue generally, but this: Solar_Crimson posted... As such, when challenged by the heroes, she stomps them all with ease. After this, she mostly exits the story, playing no significant role in the heroes' later battles against the other villains/rivals; she could easily handle them all herself, but doesn't care enough to do so unless they happen to inconvenience her.This would just be terrible writing. Very much Mary Sue territory, or Zenos from FFXIV who everyone hates. --- No more shall man have wings to bear him to paradise. Henceforth, he shall walk. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Solar_Crimson 02/18/22 11:21:03 AM #12: |
EmbraceOfDeath posted... It wouldn't be an issue generally, but this:I was thinking something like Beerus in Dragon Ball. ...Though granted, he's weaker than the Angels and Zeno, but as far as his Universe is concerned, he's at the top. --- I often wonder if we are growing as a people... or in fact, regressing. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Accolon 02/18/22 11:22:09 AM #13: |
Reminds me of Captain Marvel in the MCU --- http://i.imgur.com/XAMp8.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MrMojoRising 02/18/22 11:23:25 AM #14: |
Tyranthraxus posted... Lisa Lisa such a dope character --- https://i.imgur.com/Wv6nCNs.jpg https://myanimelist.net/profile/nino712 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tyranthraxus 02/18/22 11:26:27 AM #15: |
Solar_Crimson posted... I was thinking something like Beerus in Dragon Ball. ...Though granted, he's weaker than the Angels and Zeno, but as far as his Universe is concerned, he's at the top. Dragonball Super already has Vados --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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BlackOmnimon 02/18/22 11:27:45 AM #16: |
18 manhandled Vegeta Tsunade and Mei Terumi in Naruto Jolyne in JoJo --- . ... Copied to Clipboard!
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mooreandrew58 02/18/22 11:28:56 AM #17: |
The boss in mgs 3. People even debate if she threw the fight against big boss because how bad she stomped him in previous fights it seems insane he bridged the skill gap that quickly plus it being her mission to lose. --- Cid- "looks like that overgrown lobster just got served!" Bartz-"with cheese biscuts AND mashed potatoes!" ... Copied to Clipboard!
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UnfairRepresent 02/18/22 12:26:11 PM #18: |
BlackOmnimon posted... 18 manhandled VegetaAnd then did fuck all she didn't even put up a fight against Buu When KRILLIN did --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! http://i.imgur.com/yPw05Ob.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Relient_K 02/18/22 12:32:25 PM #19: |
WingsOfGood posted... Korra You mean the avatar? There were just as many powerful girl/women characters in avatar as males. Both heroes and villains. Korra being stronger than aang had more to do with her being 16 compared to him being 12 and having more years of training under her belt. --- We all ate the biscuits, Fighter. We can all see through time. [ER] ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Esrac 02/18/22 12:40:32 PM #20: |
Really powerful female characters have never really been an issue, though some might complain if she shows up just to Mary Sue-style all over everyone, just to disappear from the story. What jumps immediately to my mind is Kill La Kill. Its largely just a good Shonen action anime with cool fights. And all strongest characters and all girls/women. Satsuki, Ryuko, Nui Harime, and Ragyo. But I dont recall guys online raging about it. Sailor Moon also has all the powerful characters being girls/women, but I dont really follow it. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LostForest 02/18/22 12:41:20 PM #21: |
YookaLaylee posted... Jolyne Came in to say this. JoJo is so over the topic male-centric that it borders on homoerotic lol. but then part 6 shows up and completely flips it to an almost entirely female cast, and did a great job. AFAIK it was received well by most of the fanbase. --- http://poorcouplesfoodguide.com Agender, curry fan, Top 10 lister, indie dev, gym hitter, musician, et al. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CrimsonAngel 02/18/22 12:42:03 PM #22: |
Esrac posted... But I dont recall guys online raging about it.Why could that possibly be? Couldn't be because the show is nothing but fan service --- http://large.horse ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Gobstoppers12 02/18/22 12:44:04 PM #23: |
Characters like this can either be hated, or wildly popular, depending entirely on execution. --- I write Naruto Fanfiction. But I am definitely not a furry. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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thronedfire2 02/18/22 12:45:23 PM #24: |
Just look at what happened with Captain Marvel, and she was a character that already existed --- I could see you, but I couldn't hear you You were holding your hat in the breeze Turning away from me In this moment you were stolen... ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Gobstoppers12 02/18/22 12:50:08 PM #25: |
thronedfire2 posted... Just look at what happened with Captain Marvel, and she was a character that already existedShe was also executed poorly. --- I write Naruto Fanfiction. But I am definitely not a furry. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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thronedfire2 02/18/22 12:52:12 PM #26: |
Gobstoppers12 posted... She was also executed poorly. in what way? the answer doesnt count if you use the term Mary Sue or any variation of such --- I could see you, but I couldn't hear you You were holding your hat in the breeze Turning away from me In this moment you were stolen... ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Prestoff 02/18/22 12:52:25 PM #27: |
LostForest posted... Came in to say this. Most of the hate for Part 6 But yeah Part 5 is probably the most "homoerotic" the series is going to get lol. --- DI MOLTO! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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atmasabr 02/18/22 12:53:35 PM #28: |
Solar_Crimson posted... ...Into an uber-manly/masculine series (anime/manga/etc.)? Depends on the NPC's role in the story. If she's 10 or so years older than the main cast, no one cares. --- So much of the tragedy in human history can be explained by man's attempts to kill Cain. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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InfinityMonster 02/18/22 12:54:59 PM #29: |
It would controversial just because of the times we live in. There have been tons over the years with no issues. Nowadays, people lose their shit over stuff like that, and then a different group loses their shit too because the first guys are losing their shit. --- "It lies between the pit of man's fears and the summit of his knowledge" ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SSJPurple 02/18/22 12:59:19 PM #30: |
JoJo Part 6 --- 504 bout it bout it 901 bout it bout it ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Esrac 02/18/22 1:00:09 PM #31: |
CrimsonAngel posted... Why could that possibly be? Couldn't be because the show is nothing but fan service I wouldn't agree with that assessment. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Gobstoppers12 02/18/22 1:00:16 PM #32: |
thronedfire2 posted... in what way?She was introduced at the very, very end of a 10 year story arc with minimal investment in the consequences. She felt more like a plot device than a character in Endgame ( If she had been introduced maybe 3-4 years earlier in the story line, and if she had been played by a better actress, and if she had been given better dialogue, maybe people would have liked her as much as they like Gamora, Scarlet Witch, Black Widow, Nebula, etc. The problem isn't Captain Marvel's gender, and it never was--the problem is that the character was poorly introduced and badly handled. --- I write Naruto Fanfiction. But I am definitely not a furry. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DB_Insider 02/18/22 1:04:09 PM #33: |
--- https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/179741-omega-labyrinth/79814320 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Esrac 02/18/22 1:13:46 PM #34: |
Gobstoppers12 posted... She was introduced at the very, very end of a 10 year story arc with minimal investment in the consequences. She felt more like a plot device than a character in Endgame ( Curiously, the complaint i usually hear about Captain Marvem in the MCU is that she's too strong for the cinematic universe. So, she is uninteresting because she never struggles. Her single-handedly destroying Thanos' warship and no-selling a headbutt from Thanos like it was nothing is a frequent example. Especially when Thanos whipped Hulk's ass with barely breaking a sweat and had the upper hand on Thor. Its like putting a character in the movie with her comic book-level power when all the other characters have been toned down for the movie universe, so she feels out of place. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Background_Guy 02/18/22 4:05:09 PM #35: |
You have to realize that anti-sjw types think all that stuff is okay when anime does it. Feminism, homosexuality, transgender characters, everything. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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