Current Events > Senator Rick Scott suggests increasing taxes on the poor

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https://twitter.com/ArthurDelaneyHP/status/1496140374791888896

Elon and Bezos are gods among men and deserve to only pay 1% tax rate while we are all bad people and should be paying 30% of everything we make!

Also, deny any assistance programs because that is handouts! (while taking their money via taxes to subsidize the rich)

the thing about this is that the total amount of money raised will be such a minuscule drop in the bucket compared to what raising taxes on the rich by like 1% would do. then you compare the impact each tax increase has on the lives / families affected and it seems so incredibly obvious that the people who support this are just inhuman monsters.

"Here's how it works in America. The upper class keeps all of the money, pays none of the taxes. The middle class does all of the work, pays all of the taxes. The poor are there just to scare the shit out of the middle class." -- George Carlin

Giant_Aspirin posted...

it seems so incredibly obvious that the people who support this are just inhuman monsters.

People against assistance programs and raising the taxes on the super wealthy who only pay effectively like 1-3% (as opposed to 20% a normal person does) often have a deep resentment or hatred for the poor. Why? I don't know. Perhaps the narrative has been drilled through their head that the poor are keeping them down from being uber wealthy which is so ironic.

if we dont punish people for being poor, how else will they ever decide to stop being poor?

WingsOfGood posted...

People against assistance programs and raising the taxes on the super wealthy who only pay effectively like 1-3% (as opposed to 20% a normal person does) often have a deep resentment or hatred for the poor. Why?

right wing propaganda

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So all Americans shouldn't have to pay taxes? That's not a good message

JimRob posted...

So all Americans shouldn't have to pay taxes? That's not a good message

That's not the message.

JimRob posted...

So all Americans shouldn't have to pay taxes? That's not a good message

Your reading comprehension skills suggest you dropped out of high school. Or maybe just dropped on your head.

CyricZ posted...

That's not the message.

The person who made the tweet is mocking the statement that ALL Americans should pay income taxes.

JimRob posted...

So all Americans shouldn't have to pay taxes? That's not a good message

Why you ok with the billionaires not and rage when the people making no actual money don't?

@JimRob

I always liked a flat tax rate. If you make 1000 dollars this month pay 100 if you make 10k pay 1000. Maybe not exactly those numbers but you get what I mean. I'm fine with those below the poverty line being exempt though. If they are gonna require tax money funded programs why make them pay taxes?

Rathinor posted...

Your reading comprehension skills suggest you dropped out of high school.

this is the case. those damn drugs.

JimRob posted...

The person who made the tweet is mocking the statement that ALL Americans should pay income taxes.

you think people making less than 10k per year should pay income tax? Because thats the only bracket that doesnt pay income tax

Giant_Aspirin posted...

the thing about this is that the total amount of money raised will be such a minuscule drop in the bucket compared to what raising taxes on the rich by like 1% would do. then you compare the impact each tax increase has on the lives / families affected and it seems so incredibly obvious that the people who support this are just inhuman monsters.

Yeah, but now they have skin in the game, so like.... *vague jazz hands*

Giant_Aspirin posted...

the thing about this is that the total amount of money raised will be such a minuscule drop in the bucket compared to what raising taxes on the rich by like 1% would do. then you compare the impact each tax increase has on the lives / families affected and it seems so incredibly obvious that the people who support this are just inhuman monsters.

But all of that is fine because they hate the same people that I hate!

A single billionaire will pay more taxes in one year than a million non-billionaires in a life time.

Not to mention that taxes money is spent horribly anyway but that's a different discussion.

This whole obsession with making others pay more taxes as some sort of way to make yourself feel better is so bizarre...

M_Live posted...

We already pay more than the rich tho lol

Uh thats not remotely true

Its fine to want to raise taxes on high earners
But its factually incorrect to say poor folk pay more

mooreandrew58 posted...

I always liked a flat tax rate. If you make 1000 dollars this month pay 100 if you make 10k pay 1000. Maybe not exactly those numbers but you get what I mean. I'm fine with those below the poverty line being exempt though. If they are gonna require tax money funded programs why make them pay taxes?

That isn't flat, that is %

Flat is everyone pays the same rate.

You make 1000, you pay 100.
You make 10000 you pay 100.
etc

g980 posted...

Uh thats not remotely true

Its fine to want to raise taxes on high earners
But its factually incorrect to say poor folk pay more

% of net worth wise, yes, they do

The amount of taxes poor people pay causes much more hardship than the wealthy

g980 posted...

Uh thats not remotely true

Its fine to want to raise taxes on high earners
But its factually incorrect to say poor folk pay more

Notice how he pivots to poor folk?

He is discounting many tax brackets to try and frame a false argument.
Classic g980 tactics

WingsOfGood posted...

That isn't flat, that is %

Flat is everyone pays the same rate.

You make 1000, you pay 100.
You make 10000 you pay 100.
etc

...no it isnt

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_tax

Dont get why non rich people support the right. Do they want to be racists that badly?

WingsOfGood posted...

Notice how he pivots to poor folk?

He is discounting many tax brackets to try and frame a false argument.
Classic g980 tactics

Define what income levels you consider poor/middle/rich and lets see what the numbers say

Also the topic is about taxes on poor people so how tf was this a "pivot"

JimRob posted...

A single billionaire will pay more taxes in one year than a million non-billionaires in a life time.

Not to mention that taxes money is spent horribly anyway but that's a different discussion.

This whole obsession with making others pay more taxes as some sort of way to make yourself feel better is so bizarre...

that single billionaire will also spend more money on luxury items and overpriced brand name stuff than a million non-billionaires will in their lives

Im shocked that a conservative would have such blatant disregard for poor people.

Republicans are literally evil.

The only thing taxes pay is the salaries of the people running the programs that the money is supposed to go to

LightHawKnight posted...

Dont get why non rich people support the right. Do they want to be racists that badly?

They believe welfare is why the are not rich. Which is funny because they believe people like Elon 100% deserve every penny and work harder than everyone else.
Kinda a weird dichotomy.

WingsOfGood posted...

They believe welfare is why the are not rich.

Marco Rubio ten years ago said we are a nation of "haves and soon-to-haves".

The lie told to conservatives is that if they're not wealthy then that wealth is coming. Whether by trickle down or by removing people "stealing" the wealth of Americans. And of course they bought in.

In this case "Americans" is code for "white people" and the "people stealing" are immigrants or basically any POC.

JimRob posted...

A single billionaire will pay more taxes in one year than a million non-billionaires in a life time.

Not to mention that taxes money is spent horribly anyway but that's a different discussion.

This whole obsession with making others pay more taxes as some sort of way to make yourself feel better is so bizarre...

A) Okay? The billionaire still comes out ahead as the taxes they paid impact them much less than a poor person paying taxes
B) If you say it's a different discussion why bring it up?
C) Are you... are you criticizing Rick Scott?

CyricZ posted...

Marco Rubio ten years ago said we are a nation of "haves and soon-to-haves".

The lie told to conservatives is that if they're not wealthy then that wealth is coming. Whether by trickle down or by removing people "stealing" the wealth of Americans. And of course they bought in.

In this case "Americans" is code for "white people" and the "people stealing" are immigrants or basically any POC.

I can't remember if it was 08 or 12, but it was one of the Obama elections, and the right was running on making everyone a part of the 1%................

CyricZ posted...

Marco Rubio ten years ago said we are a nation of "haves and soon-to-haves".

The lie told to conservatives is that if they're not wealthy then that wealth is coming. Whether by trickle down or by removing people "stealing" the wealth of Americans. And of course they bought in.

In this case "Americans" is code for "white people" and the "people stealing" are immigrants or basically any POC.

It is insane.

"they are stealing our jobs! they are taking our wealth via taxes with welfare!"

oh but

"anyone can make it if they just try hard enough and work themselves to death!"

that is a paradox

WingsOfGood posted...

It is insane.

"they are stealing our jobs! they are taking our wealth via taxes with welfare!"

oh but

"anyone can make it if they just try hard enough and work themselves to death!"

that is a paradox

It's like Jim Gaffigan said: "If you ask someone why they don't like Mexicans, it never makes any sense. 'Oh, they're lazy, they're coming here to take our jobs'. Well, which one is it? Lazy people don't want our jobs, they don't want the ones they have."

DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC posted...

It's like Jim Gaffigan said: "If you ask someone why they don't like Mexicans, it never makes any sense. 'Oh, they're lazy, they're coming here to take our jobs'. Well, which one is it? Lazy people don't want our jobs, they don't want the ones they have."

Yea. The idea is the government or someone just hands them the job, but they are lazy and don't work on it, but that is ok because welfare, socialism or something.

middle to low class conservatives will eat this up. Yea!! Stop mooching!!then theyll blame Obama when they have to pay more.

lol WoG says something verifiably false and then ignores the response
as usual

g980 posted...

lol WoG says something verifiably false and then ignores the response
as usual

We had this discussion before, no point trying to convince you. You after all said banks are on our side and that taking raises at work will destroy the economy.

thronedfire2 posted...

that single billionaire will also spend more money on luxury items and overpriced brand name stuff than a million non-billionaires will in their lives

And?

JimRob posted...

And?

And instead of wasting that money on things they don't even need, the money could instead go to helping people that can't even keep food on the table or keep their bills paid?

JimRob posted...

A single billionaire will pay more taxes in one year than a million non-billionaires in a life time.

Not to mention that taxes money is spent horribly anyway but that's a different discussion.

This whole obsession with making others pay more taxes as some sort of way to make yourself feel better is so bizarre...

All you're doing is emphasizing why billionaires should pay more taxes. According to your own words, you could eliminate the taxes of over a million people for a lifetime and have a billionaire easily pay it instead by doubling his taxes for just one year, the poor people would then have a tremendous burden lifted from them while the billionaire's life would be unaffected. And yet you somehow think this proves proves billionaires are already taxed enough? That's insane, man.

JustaSandwich posted...

you could eliminate the taxes of over a million people for a lifetime and have a billionaire easily pay it instead by doubling his taxes for just one year

and the kicker is he would still be a billionaire and still be able to buy expensive stuff and lord himself over the poor

WingsOfGood posted...

That isn't flat, that is %

Flat is everyone pays the same rate.

You make 1000, you pay 100.
You make 10000 you pay 100.
etc

Maybe I got my math wrong I'm drunk and did it quickly in my head my point is everyone pays the same percent except those in poverty

If that's not what flat tax is. It's what it should be

WingsOfGood posted...

We had this discussion before, no point trying to convince you. You after all said banks are on our side and that taking raises at work will destroy the economy.

that is some serious deflection and continued inability to understand a very basic point i made

Try sticking to the actual topic

Ruvan22 posted...

A) Okay? The billionaire still comes out ahead as the taxes they paid impact them much less than a poor person paying taxes
B) If you say it's a different discussion why bring it up?
C) Are you... are you criticizing Rick Scott?

A. So? Most people come out ahead too, why punish success?

B. Its still relevant

C. No

GrandConjuraton posted...

And instead of wasting that money on things they don't even need, the money could instead go to helping people that can't even keep food on the table or keep their bills paid?

Everyone has the freedom to buy what they want within the law and that includes plenty of things they don't need. Do we need restrictions on what can be bought based on someone's income?

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Come up with a real argument instead of whining like a 6 year old.