Current Events > China's relationship with Russia is damaging China. Will continue to worsen.

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https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/25/world/asia/china-russia-ukraine-sovereignty.html

As Russian troops have poured into Ukraine, officials in Beijing have fumed at any suggestion that they are betraying a core principle of Chinese foreign policy that sovereignty is sacrosanct in order to shield Moscow.

They will not even call it an invasion. Russias operation is one preferred description. The current situation is another. And Chinas leader, Xi Jinping, says his position on the crisis is perfectly coherent.

Talks to resolve the crisis would clearly be in Chinas interest, easing what critics see as its double-standard on the sovereignty issue.

On the one hand, China has long said that the United States and other Western powers routinely trample over other countries, most egregiously in recent times in the invasion of Iraq in 2003. Chinas message has been that it is the true guardian of sovereign independence, especially for poorer countries.

On the other hand, Mr. Putin has expected Mr. Xi to accept, if not support, the invasion. Mr. Xis government has played along so far, laying responsibility for Europes worst war in decades on hubris by the United States. China has also distanced itself from the condemnation of Russia at the United Nations.

With severe sanctions now imposed on Russia by Western powers, Mr. Putin may need China more than ever as an investor and buyer of Russian oil, wheat and other products.

If the war expands and persists, the costs for China of hemming and hawing over a deadly crisis may grow.

Beijings stance has already angered Western European leaders and hardened American frustration with China. Asian and African countries traditionally close to Beijing have condemned Russias actions. One of the main currencies of Chinese diplomacy its declared dedication to sovereign rights for all countries could be devalued.

The incoherence is damaging to China over the long term, said Adam Ni, an analyst who publishes China Neican, a newsletter on Chinese current affairs.

It undermines Chinas long-held foreign policy principles, and makes it harder to project itself as a responsible great power, he said. Mr. Ni said it would also be seen by the U.S. and E.U. member states as duplicity and complicity in Russian aggression, which will likely have costs for Beijing.

China believes that the chief cause of this war was the United States long-term failure to respect Russian security, said Xuewu Gu, the director of the Center for Global Studies at the University of Bonn in Germany. In that sense, China sees this war as one of self-defense by Russia, therefore naturally it would not describe it as an invasion.

In private, Chinese academics have shared misgivings about Mr. Xis embrace of Mr. Putin. And on the Chinese internet, users have robustly questioned how Chinas position on the Ukraine war squares with its longstanding precept that countries should steer their own fates.

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Chinas relationship with Russia is damaging itself?

Wow. Putins short....

So basically, either China will turn against Russia, or the entire civilized world will turn against China. Either one is a good outcome if you ask me. The former is probably better in the long-term for world peace, though, so let's hope for that.

Trumble posted...

So basically, either China will turn against Russia, or the entire civilized world will turn against China. Either one is a good outcome if you ask me. The former is probably better in the long-term for world peace, though, so let's hope for that.

Yeah.

Piglet standing next to Pooh

Trumble posted...

So basically, either China will turn against Russia, or the entire civilized world will turn against China. Either one is a good outcome if you ask me. The former is probably better in the long-term for world peace, though, so let's hope for that.

Seems like the problem is more like Xi Jinping specifically. The people who genuinely believe the CCP rhetoric are arguing supporting Putin is making them all hypocrites.

Trumble posted...

So basically, either China will turn against Russia, or the entire civilized world will turn against China. Either one is a good outcome if you ask me. The former is probably better in the long-term for world peace, though, so let's hope for that.

More realistic is China doubles down and make a go for Taiwan with the assumption that China and Russia as allies can take on the world.

The right thing for China to do is to step in and try to negotiate a peace that both preserves Ukraine and protects Russia from NATO. That way they can support both of their stated beliefs.

WingsOfGood posted...

More realistic is China doubles down and make a go for Taiwan with the assumption that China and Russia as allies can take on the world.

Except they can't. They are still decades away from being able to take on America, let alone America & Friends. This is Russia's last hurrah, I think they know that China/India will soon be way above their punching power. China has been playing the long game, they are not gonna throw away all the "progress" they e made over the last few decades sticking their neck out for Russia.

VandorLee posted...

Wow. Putins short....

5'7" with no hair.

Oh bother

WingsOfGood posted...

More realistic is China doubles down and make a go for Taiwan with the assumption that China and Russia as allies can take on the world.

A big difference is that Ukraine has little economic importance to the west compared to Taiwan. There's far more reason that the west would get involved in Taiwan's case.

To be clear; I am not saying I agree with the above logic being morally correct, I am simply saying it's what I expect those in power would likely think.

Yeah, China committing genocide wont unite the world against them, but not calling Ukraine a Russian invasion will do it. Sure pal.

AngelsNAirwav3s posted...

Yeah, China committing genocide wont unite the world against them, but not calling Ukraine a Russian invasion will do it. Sure pal.

Shrug. This. If Xiping says nothing about Putin it's because he can get away with it. "Devaluing the currency of sovereignty", give me a break.

It's perfectly in China's interest to remain neutral.

China loses that dick measuring contest

ReignFury posted...

China loses that dick measuring contest

to be fair both have micro peens xi and putin

"Damaging China"

As if the shit they've already been doing wasnt as bad? Lmao.

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eggcorn posted...

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Are those Chinese citizens? Or troll farms?

Genocide isn't just killing people, erasing a culture by forcing people to assimilate is also genocide.