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Man I feel bad for the color coded world map dragon fights.

They're not hard, you can just ignore them if you want even when they have actually boss health bars so they're terrible at guarding stuff, and they all give dissproprtiantely large amounts of Runes.

They're like big sad piatas that you fight when you want a couple free levels.

I have two grace sites deep into the capital from teleporters now.

Maybe I should finally push into the Plateau normally lol.

I put off the first dragon for much longer than I should have and was surprised at how easy it was! I got the wrong impression because doing co-op pools I had been summoned for it multiple times and eaten shit each time. Fighting these things in co-op, on foot, with the multiplayer boss buff, is 100% the wrong strategy. Horse is OP.

Yeah one thing I'm really enjoying about Elden Ring is how the large variety in boss fights encourages you to try different strategies. Sometimes a simple change in weapons or armor is all I needed.

The dragon was easier than those damn dragonflies pestering me throughout the fight

OK yeah

Don't make the mistake of thinking Atlas Plateau is going to be high end stuff.

Everything in every underground area is harder than these enemies, at least in the outskirts area around th capital and towards the mountain. I killed an NPC invader in one combo.

Guess I'm weird because the gargoyles were a highlight for me.

Radahn sucked despite having the best setup ever.

So what I am hearing is there is no objective path of which great rune to tackle?

Green first obviously. After that it's anyone's game. Blue makes the most sense though, and that's also how you unlock respecing.

There was a boss blocking red that I couldn't even touch, but then the boss just disappeared at some point, not sure what triggered that. I think advancing some questline if characters involved maybe?

Also I should note that I still haven't fought a single enemy IN he capital, just outside of it.

UshiromiyaEva posted...

OK yeah

Don't make the mistake of thinking Atlas Plateau is going to be high end stuff.

Everything in every underground area is harder than these enemies, at least in the outskirts area around th capital and towards the mountain. I killed an NPC invader in one combo.

I mean what's your level? I'm just under RL60 and while I no longer have much of a problem mopping up Liurnia and didn't struggle too bad with the "coward's path," the beefy enemies up here are significantly beefier.

I did two dungeon bosses around where that puts you up and it's kind of a mixed bag. One had fairly low HP (but was obnoxious), the other was fairly tanky (and was also obnoxious).

Probably still not endgame though considering the game points you here and I've found worse when I was teleported to Farum Azula

UshiromiyaEva posted...

OK yeah

Don't make the mistake of thinking Atlas Plateau is going to be high end stuff.

Everything in every underground area is harder than these enemies, at least in the outskirts area around th capital and towards the mountain. I killed an NPC invader in one combo.

Yeah I did Altus before Liurnia, Caelid and even Stormveil Castle. Mt. Gelmir is pretty tough, though

Yeah, I'm taking a similar approach to some in being as meticulous and thorough as I can in one area before moving on the next one. I did Limgrave (including Weeping Peninsula), then Liurnia, then Caelid, and am now doing Altus/Gelmir - interspersed with optional areas that open up as I go along. I'll be moving to the capital once I'm done with all of that.

Overall, I'd say the curve from Limgrave to Liurnia to Altus works really well, and then there's a huge jump in difficulty with Caelid for some reason. Upper right Caelid in particular has some unreasonably strong enemies, even though it contains the right half of the medallion you need to access the much easier Altus the traditional way. Apart from Caelid, the only parts that gave me pause was doing Siofra early, but even that was manageable without too many issues. Currently RL93, heading into Mt. Gelmir.

RL70-ish and a +12 weapon seems like a good level to be at to start Caelid. I was lower because I stupidly headed off to Caelid right after Limgrave and slogged through about half the zone before giving up and doing Liurnia. Don't make my mistake. Do Liurnia first.

HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

Probably still not endgame though considering the game points you here and I've found worse when I was teleported to Farum Azula

Yeah, I had the exact same experience. I got destroyed immediately by those two enemies, and am thinking that's where the endgame is.

so I'm having a great time

haven't had any real issues with the game so far, and now after clearing Caelid, Limgrave, and Liurnia... half the terrain in Atlus doesn't load. I am continually falling through the world.

I have both my Unique Katanas at +9 so they're only one upgrade away from max, hoping to find those last upgrade materials soon. I also have everything I need to get Mimic Ashes to cap, just have to grind some souls to pay for it. Truly a busted Summon, especially if you're dual wielding status or bleed weapons when you use it.

Though in terms of stupid bosses, I've found a second one yesterday on Altus that may be even dumber than the Gargoyle fight. It was in some place called Sage's Cave, I think? Not exactly difficult in the end, since I somehow managed it in one try, but...... there's luck-based, and then there's luck-based. If you know, you know. I found out afterwards there was apparently one specific way to make it easier, but sheesh.

I have to admit though it's making the game more terrifying. I jump a little everytime I'm running in the mountains and I suddenly clip through the world

if Sages Cave is what Im thinking of, there was a note outside the boss door that said like wolves needed ahead so I summoned the wolves and it helped a lot

Aecioo posted...

so I'm having a great time

haven't had any real issues with the game so far, and now after clearing Caelid, Limgrave, and Liurnia... half the terrain in Atlus doesn't load. I am continually falling through the world.

I haven't heard this anywhere! That's some luck.

MoogleKupo141 posted...

if Sages Cave is what Im thinking of, there was a note outside the boss door that said like wolves needed ahead so I summoned the wolves and it helped a lot

Yeah, I could see how that would help! I'm trying to do the game without any co-op or summons (other than the Radahn fight which was designed with summons in mind), and that boss was not pretty. Ended up putting my back against a wall and swinging wildly, in the saddest display in the franchise.

UshiromiyaEva posted...

There was a boss blocking red that I couldn't even touch, but then the boss just disappeared at some point, not sure what triggered that. I think advancing some questline if characters involved maybe?

Also, I'm very curious about that. Could you expand on this in a spoiler bar? What was the boss and where was it located? I started Caelid right after Limgrave, and could reach Redmane without too much opposition (other than blatantly overlevelled trash mobs, of course).

UshiromiyaEva posted...

I haven't heard this anywhere! That's some luck.

Think I've fixed it. I play most games windowed and that apparently was doing it? I dunno

Solfadore posted...

Also, I'm very curious about that. Could you expand on this in a spoiler bar? What was the boss and where was it located? I started Caelid right after Limgrave, and could reach Redmane without too much opposition (other than blatantly overlevelled trash mobs, of course).

Video in the spoiler below. It's just two rehash bosses as a duo, though very hard variants of them.

https://youtu.be/NVywObcbC9M

It takes place in the festival courtyard.

Oh well no wonder - my highest unique weapon is +4 and normal is +8! Don't think I have the mats for any higher. Just haven't explored much beyond Limgrave and Liurnia - I was planning to hit the major points of interest there and move on but upon investigation found that I really need to scour this place for magical loot.

Build wise I'm rocking the Carian Knight magic straightsword I found that is basically identical to the crystal sword except better magic scaling and a cooler weapon art (that I always forget about). I felt pretty owned for discovering it after investing so much time and energy into the other one, but I have countered this by choosing to power stance both. It rocks.

Spellwise I have STILL not found any magic that outperforms the bread and butter spells. The cool and pretty comet that needs 34 int is still worse than Greater Glintstone spam. I'm making my peace with it - at least my build functions! I have a variety of staves now that each boost a particular type of magic - I'm thinking what could be happening here is you need to specialize in a school of magic and use the appropriate staff. I want to test it but I haven't got the materials to upgrade anything past the Meteorite Staff's raw power.

UshiromiyaEva posted... Stuff

Ok, that's interesting - it's the exact same fight I got to when I returned to the place after Radahn. Seems like Radahn is treated as a scripted event that overrides the default state of the castle. I first set foot in it after progressing the Alexander and Blaidd questlines a bit, so the castle was already in festival mode - largely empty when I got there other than the festival courtyard and two lions patrolling at the entrance. Wonder what specifically triggers it.

MoogleKupo141 posted...

if Sages Cave is what Im thinking of, there was a note outside the boss door that said like wolves needed ahead so I summoned the wolves and it helped a lot

also yeah I've been trying to put in a good number of attempts on each boss before using summons which has been a fun compromise for me but the instant I realized the gimmick I said fuck it and summoned wolves. Still died once or twice!

Found the sword of night and flame

Immediately respeced to use sword of night and flame

Solfadore posted...

Ok, that's interesting - it's the exact same fight I got to when I returned to the place after Radahn. Seems like Radahn is treated as a scripted event that overrides the default state of the castle. I first set foot in it after progressing the Alexander and Blaidd questlines a bit, so the castle was already in festival mode - largely empty when I got there other than the festival courtyard and two lions patrolling at the entrance. Wonder what specifically triggers it.

Oh so I can go back and it will be there? There's no reason to go back to that area so that's easy to miss.

UshiromiyaEva posted...

Oh so I can go back and it will be there? There's no reason to go back to that area so that's easy to miss.

Yeah - though I had to let some time pass first before returning. For me, the first time I set foot in there, the castle was already in festival mode, so all the doors were closed and I couldn't access any of the items. And it was completely empty other than two lions patrolling by the entrance - made for a really eerie atmosphere, since I was expecting a painful slog through a complicated legacy dungeon given how hard Caelid had been to that point... and then no, it's literally just a leisurely stroll to the boss arena. I returned later and it was back in its default state with mobs here and there, and the duo boss in the courtyard (which I haven't beaten yet because fuck doing that on the +14 weapon I had at the time).

Yeah thankfully it's still just a big area even when active and not a legacy dungeon, some of the enemies are rough.

And by some I mean the dudes with the flaming swords.

Like WTF

If you wanna talk about rough enemies there's a knight later on who dual wields large straight swords, and his combos do not stop. Its crazy ridiculous, not sure how its even possible to beat them without high damaging attacks that stagger.

Yeah these late game areas are true brutality.

Volcano Cave and it's boss.

That felt like I missed one of the first caves in the game and was just now getting to it.

Sword of night and flame is unbelievably dumb.

There are some bosses that don't give you the time to use it, but practically any boss that gives you breathing space just melts in seconds

I've killed my first npc

did the NPC attack you first or did you just do a murder

Well it's the one that opens the gate for you at storm veil castle

He had over 13k souls of mine

Is there like, a closer grace site to Renalla besides the one pre-boulders?

Radahn ate up my afternoon. So close to being a fun fight but I spent so much time dodging his initial ranged attacks today that I just cant think of it as an enjoyable experience. Im sure Ill look back fondly on it but not today.

I fought Radahn for the first time today. Seems like an absolutely terrible fight

Actually looked at my level for the first time in like 15 hours and I'm level 103??

No idea when that happened. Last I remember I was 67.

I'm probably beating bosses I'm not supposed to be steamrolling due to the Mimic Tear, and it's giving me enormous level dumps.

I beat my 4th main boss in Volcano Manor Rykkard. It's a very cool fight that I ruined because I realized that with the Flamedrake talisman I could just stand in the lava in the middle of the floor spamming attacks and no attacks could hit me in either phase except for the easily avoidable butt stomp.

I also literally just beat him like ten minutes ago. After beating no demigod for days, I knocked out two of them today (volcano guy and capital city guy)

im also basically level 100ish

the city guy dropped like 100,000 runes, which was maybe 1 and 3/4 levels for me. I have absolutely no idea what level they expect you to be at this point.

I guess I should go deal with Radahn now

I made it to the plateau and found my way to the shaded castle.
Wondering if I'd be better off in caelid right now

its pretty funny to hear the anti-erdtree npcs talk about it

they give these impassioned speech about how mad they are at a tree and some fingers

oh lol definitely go back to the grace point for the volcano boss after you beat him to see something weird going on (or maybe not, it may depend on some decisions you make earlier on... but Im seeing something weird going on.

So I think I cleared most of Stormveil castle, but I feel like I missed something. I didn't get to a big boss and I'm not sure which way I could have missed. I skipped the dog fight and got the other Grace, cleared the bridge which had me saying OH SHIT OH SHIT OH SHIT for five minutes despite being pretty easy. And then I took that teleporter but I am not sure how to open the door.

I may be missing a lot of things!

Oh that teleporter is for a place youre supposed to go after you clear the actual castle out... theres a totally different direction into the castle youre meant to go.

the area you got to the bridge from has another exit. If Im understanding the situation right, youve barely scratched the surface of the castle.

I mean theres probably like three more grace points you havent found in there

Did a whole mess of exploring tonight after I got teleported into some cave. Uncovered a couple more map areas and a whole bunch of save points. Found that every minor erdtree is protected by a boss that's too tough for me. Found a spot where I can watch soldiers fight monsters and get about 6k souls without doing anything. Found an absolutely enormous white dragon which I beat on for a while before I realized it was going to take forever.

It feels like I'm getting close to a point where I'm going to have to stop just running around and actually bang my head against some of these boss fights.

Renalla wasnt bad at all. And this fight is turning out to be a very lucrative co op spot too

Ive also found my new favorite summon: the marionette twins!

I have absolutely no idea where to go in Lyndell. This place is a maze. Cleared out the sewers already, but I'm at a total loss as to what forward progression is after exploring all over the surface.

Dung Eater just straight up saying thanks for freeing me, I'm going to rape, spread disease, and rape some more, and I'm never, ever going to stop. Never killed an NPC so fast lol.

I had the same issue in Leyndell, felt like I was stuck there forever. Finally dawned on me to look for something out of the ordinary to climb up.

Petrified dragon's wing