Current Events > Dunkin Donuts manager punches customer to death after being called the n-word

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Not one donut joke in this, how cruller.

I would like to see more leniency for poc due to systemic racisim. They derserve that little bit of leeway.

So Im not reading through the topic but the guy who was killed was a sex offender on top of being racist? He clearly didnt intend to kill him either. Glad he only got house arrest. No sympathy for old dude. Maybe dont be racist. Its really not difficult.

TheOtherMike posted...

You don't understand what a crime of passion is.

No I'm explaining that it being non pre meditative doesn't make it all that less stupid. It doesn't take much to think of alternatives that don't result in manslaughter to handle a racist piece of garbage hurling slurs.

TommyG663513 posted...

No I'm explaining that it being non pre meditative doesn't make it all that less stupid. It doesn't take much to think of alternatives that don't result in manslaughter to handle a racist piece of garbage hurling slurs.

You are further demonstrating that

TheOtherMike posted...

You don't understand what a crime of passion is.

TommyG663513 posted...

No I'm explaining that it being non pre meditative doesn't make it all that less stupid. It doesn't take much to think of alternatives that don't result in manslaughter to handle a racist piece of garbage hurling slurs.

Id agree with you if he used a gun, or stabbed him in the chest, things that most obviously are deadly moves and require more steps to get to that point. He just punched him. Its not common for a single punch to kill someone. I doubt he had murder on the mind. He just wanted to hurt him. If someone got in my face and said some shit that pissed me off my first reflex might be to punch, push, etc. so if I push someone down and they hit their head I should still be held accountable for murder? I cant agree with that at all.

Im pleased to see that the term fighting words hasnt been used after the first page. People really need to just delete that phrase from their brains.

Although, it is a good indicator of the people who have absolutely no idea about how anything works and have a casual relationship with reality.

TheVipaGTS posted...

Id agree with you if he used a gun, or stabbed him in the chest, things that most obviously are deadly moves and require more steps to get to that point. He just punched him. Its not common for a single punch to kill someone. I doubt he had murder on the mind. He just wanted to hurt him. If someone got in my face and said some shit that pissed me off my first reflex might be to punch, push, etc. so if I push someone down and they hit their head I should still be held accountable for murder? I cant agree with that at all.

I mean that is literally the law. You don't get to kill someone, through your intentional actions, and then just act like it's no big deal. If you push someone it's assault and battery. If they die from you pushing them then it's manslaughter or whatever equivalent charge depending on where you are.

I'm not saying the old dude didn't deserve to get hit. But the fact is he died because of it. Prison time is deserved. I don't think he should get a decade in prison, but to basically get none at all for killing someone is ridiculous. I know everyone here will make excuses and deny it, but everyone here knows if the roles were reversed they would be screaming for the guy to be locked up. I mean hell, look at CE and cops. There was a story about a cop who shot and killed a guy while being actively fired at by that very same guy and CE was demanding the cop be charged with murder and go to prison.

Mods apparently approve of racism.

And thus the spirit of The Admiral lives on.

Gamerguymass posted...

I mean that is literally the law. You don't get to kill someone, through your intentional actions, and then just act like it's no big deal. If you push someone it's assault and battery. If they die from you pushing them then it's manslaughter or whatever equivalent charge depending on where you are.

And if they offer you a plea deal for a lesser charge, you take it. That happens all the time and it's what happened here.

Gamerguymass posted...

I mean that is literally the law. You don't get to kill someone, through your intentional actions, and then just act like it's no big deal. If you push someone it's assault and battery. If they die from you pushing them then it's manslaughter or whatever equivalent charge depending on where you are.

I'm not saying the old dude didn't deserve to get hit. But the fact is he died because of it. Prison time is deserved. I don't think he should get a decade in prison, but to basically get none at all for killing someone is ridiculous. I know everyone here will make excuses and deny it, but everyone here knows if the roles were reversed they would be screaming for the guy to be locked up. I mean hell, look at CE and cops. There was a story about a cop who shot and killed a guy while being actively fired at by that very same guy and CE was demanding the cop be charged with murder and go to prison.

I get your point and I don't know how to approach this. I mean, what would I do if I were the judge? Yes, I have an obligation to carry out to judge in accordance with the law, but understasnd that laws need to be interpreeted by context as well in order to carry out justice. The offender in this case needs to have reprucussions. I don't advocate for 10 years, but there needs to be real consequences for this kind of behavior. What it is, I don't know. Would jail time even be just for a person who didn't intend to kill?

And i do agree with some general moods online, not just in CE. Cops could pull their gun on someone shooting on them, and still call for the cop to be arrested.

The maximum would probably be too much, but this feels like too little. The victim being a piece of shit shouldn't really dictate the punishment. He probably didn't mean to kill him, but he also had absolutely zero reason to punch him in the first place. Vile sewage coming out of someone's mouth isn't a reason to forcibly close it.

Gamerguymass posted...

Prison time is deserved.

The prosecutors disagree, because they were looking at the totality of events and circumstances, rather than observing this one incident in a vacuum.

Gamerguymass posted...

There was a story about a cop who shot and killed a guy while being actively fired at by that very same guy and CE was demanding the cop be charged with murder and go to prison.

Bullshit.

TheOtherMike posted...

Bullshit

It's not. But at the same time, it shouldn't really be taken as anything more than, well, a bunch of screamy CEmen. They aren't judges or lawyers; they're people ranting on a websight.

Gamerguymass posted...

I mean that is literally the law. You don't get to kill someone, through your intentional actions, and then just act like it's no big deal. If you push someone it's assault and battery. If they die from you pushing them then it's manslaughter or whatever equivalent charge depending on where you are.

I'm not saying the old dude didn't deserve to get hit. But the fact is he died because of it. Prison time is deserved. I don't think he should get a decade in prison, but to basically get none at all for killing someone is ridiculous. I know everyone here will make excuses and deny it, but everyone here knows if the roles were reversed they would be screaming for the guy to be locked up. I mean hell, look at CE and cops. There was a story about a cop who shot and killed a guy while being actively fired at by that very same guy and CE was demanding the cop be charged with murder and go to prison.

Well you're wrong. The law is clearly more complex than you think it is otherwise this guy would be in jail.

Trumble posted...

It's not.

I'm absolutely certain there's either missing context, or it was maybe one or two users trolling. It certainly wasn't enough users to say "CE" was demanding charges. Link to either the topic (if it hasn't purged) or the story, please.

I don't believe in hurting people unless you're under physical threat yourself. Just because someone is racist, it doesn't give you the right to kill them

RenescoStCewl posted...

Well you're wrong. The law is clearly more complex than you think it is otherwise this guy would be in jail.

Oh so that story about the judge letting that guy who raped a 14 year old for years off with nothing but some probation is perfectly fine because the law is "clearly more complex" and otherwise he would be in jail. Gotcha.

Gamerguymass posted...

Oh so that story about the judge letting that guy who raped a 14 year old for years off with nothing but some probation is perfectly fine because the law is "clearly more complex" and otherwise he would be in jail. Gotcha.

You're comparing a guy punching and accidentally killing a pedophile to a cop repeatedly raping a 14 year old? One of those is clearly way worse than the other.

I never said the justice system was fair. Just that you're wrong.

Why are you people replying to gamerguymass?

Damn, he really Dunked' on that guy. That sucks he ended up dying

Anyway

Good verdict I guess

How did this fellow not win a medal for getting rid of a convicted pedophile out of this society?

the puncher and Kyle Rittenhouse have something in common.

TheOtherMike posted...

You are further demonstrating that

@TheOtherMike

No you're just being obtuse for the purpose of trolling

TheVipaGTS posted...

Id agree with you if he used a gun, or stabbed him in the chest, things that most obviously are deadly moves and require more steps to get to that point. He just punched him. Its not common for a single punch to kill someone. I doubt he had murder on the mind. He just wanted to hurt him. If someone got in my face and said some shit that pissed me off my first reflex might be to punch, push, etc. so if I push someone down and they hit their head I should still be held accountable for murder? I cant agree with that at all.

@TheVipaGTS

It also depends on who you're punching. If there is a big size and/or height difference then your punch is a lot more than just a punch. For example, a young person punching an elderly person carries way more risk of death than your average punch.

RickyTheBAWSE posted...

the puncher and Kyle Rittenhouse have something in common.

Careful about drawing that comparison. A lot of the guys going to bat for the puncher in this story are not fond of kyle killing that racist pedophile.

RenescoStCewl posted...

You're comparing a guy punching and accidentally killing a pedophile to a cop repeatedly raping a 14 year old? One of those is clearly way worse than the other.

I never said the justice system was fair. Just that you're wrong.

@RenescoStCewl

You're telling people that they're wrong cause it was ruled one way. Idk if this is your first time ever following a legal case, but there is no such thing as an objective ruling and we can debate how well a case was handled or not for days on end.

Flauros posted...

Careful about drawing that comparison. A lot of the guys going to bat for the puncher in this story are not fond of kyle killing that racist pedophile.

That's why it is hilarious. These two cases really expose people's biases. A lot of CEmen think they're perfect judges of society and cases like these show that there is no perfect judge.

TommyG663513 posted...

@TheOtherMike

No you're just being obtuse for the purpose of trolling

First off, don't @ me.

Second, no, that would be you being obtuse. People don't just decide not to commit crimes of passion because they're generally a result of emotion overwhelming good decision making. Saying "he should have asked the guy to leave instead of being momentarily overwhelmed by emotion" misses the entire point of what a crime of passion is.

TommyG663513 posted...

@RenescoStCewl

You're telling people that they're wrong cause it was ruled one way. Idk if this is your first time ever following a legal case, but there is no such thing as an objective ruling and we can debate how well a case was handled or not for days on end.

@TommyG663513 it sounds like you are also on the wrong side that says this guy had to go to prison. If he had to go to prison he would be there now.

RenescoStCewl posted...

@TommyG663513 it sounds like you are also on the wrong side that says this guy had to go to prison. If he had to go to prison he would be there now.

And I say they showed him too much leniency.

The law is a fallible thing enforced by fallible people. Is this your first time following a court case? No one agrees with every criminal ruling and we are here to discuss one in particular.

TheOtherMike posted...

First off, don't @ me.

Second, no, that would be you being obtuse. People don't just decide not to commit crimes of passion because they're generally a result of emotion overwhelming good decision making. Saying "he should have asked the guy to leave instead of being momentarily overwhelmed by emotion" misses the entire point of what a crime of passion is.

People commit crimes of passion, because they aren't good at controlling themselves.

So yes you do decide. Be a more calm person who can stop and think and you won't be committing crimes of passion. End of story.

TommyG663513 posted...

People commit crimes of passion, because they aren't good at controlling themselves.

So yes you do decide. Be a more calm person who can stop and think and you won't be committing crimes of passion. End of story.

This is an incredibly stupid take. "If your emotions overwhelm you, just control yourself!" Like I said, obtuse.

I understand the fury that can run through your brain and body when someone does this. thats all im gonna say not condoning violence

Play racist games, get punch prizes.

TommyG663513 posted...

People commit crimes of passion, because they aren't good at controlling themselves.

So yes you do decide. Be a more calm person who can stop and think and you won't be committing crimes of passion. End of story.

And that's why they're making him do anger management. A happy ending.

TommyG663513 posted...

And I say they showed him too much leniency.

The law is a fallible thing enforced by fallible people. Is this your first time following a court case? No one agrees with every criminal ruling and we are here to discuss one in particular.

Is this your first time being wrong? It seems to upset you.

KStateKing17 posted...

And that's why they're making him do anger management. A happy ending.

He deserves jail time in addition to that.

TheOtherMike posted...

This is an incredibly stupid take. "If your emotions overwhelm you, just control yourself!" Like I said, you don't understand what a crime of passion is.

If your emotions overwhelm you then you failed. It is simple. Control your emotions. A crime of passion as a designation isn't meant to be "ok." It's just better than premeditated. Not exactly an endorsement.

Fair; next.

Also, this reminds me of another news story that made the rounds here's a few years ago.

Some old, White guy was harassing a Black mailman for basically no reason when all he was doing was delivering mail and shit.
The old guy was threatening him, calling him racial slurs, and eventually threw a punch at him. The mailman hit him once and the old guy died. He got off because it was ruled as self-defense.

Despite the fact that the old guy started the whole thing and threw the first punch, a good chunk of CE was still trying to put all the blame on the Black guy because "He should have just ignored him."

Never change lol

TommyG663513 posted...

If your emotions overwhelm you then you failed.

I never said otherwise.

TommyG663513 posted...

A crime of passion as a designation isn't meant to be "ok."

I never said it was. What point do you think youre making? All you're doing is reinforcing that "illiterate" tag I gave you a while back.

waterjoe posted...

Imagine the posters here if the guy that died was a black guy, oh boy no consistency.

Thanks for your pointless, dumbassed input, 2006 account with 2 active posts.

Imit8m3 posted...

If the manager had used a gun y'all would be screaching cold blooded murder, just like you are now about Rittenhouse.
I guess the rules only apply when they suit you.

What about the part where your guys always say Rittenhouse's actions were justified because of his victims' pasts

Doesn't that also apply to this guy who punched a pedophile to death

Or do the rules only apply when they suit you

RobertDoback posted...

Man, that's someone's father/granddad.

Not if he and his wife chose to not have children, if he even had a wife and wasn't single or into men that is, not everyone wants to have kids